Linked by Gürkan Sengün on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 11:36 UTC
OpenStep, GNUstep Regularly as always here are the new GNUstep GUI 0.9.5 libraries. GNUstep libraries can now installed much easier using the one startup tarball.
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Groovy
by Cheapskate on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 13:01 UTC

Gnu is steppin' on up!!!

Softpear
by Gerd on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 13:18 UTC

How does it relate to projects like softpear?

RE: Softpear
by Sodki on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 15:05 UTC

How does it relate to projects like softpear?
I believe it doesn't. Softpear will allow you to run a binary application compiled for MacOSX; this will allow you to sucessfully compile the same application source code on GNUStep and MacOSX.

RE: and a theme...
by woodstock on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 15:10 UTC

Nice! I never really bothered with trying to make it look nice before, I might try this one out. (if I can find the theme)

Cocoa and GNUstep
by Roguelazer on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 15:18 UTC

I know and love WindowMaker and other GNUstep apps, but now that I have a Mac, this is pretty sad. The same code works for GNUstep and Cocoa? So why is it that in GNUstep, everything looks like basic X primitives from the early 1980's? Grays and crosshatch patterns are a little outdated, no? That theme that farm boy mentioned is a good start, but I think GNUstep needs to seriously work on visual appearance under X11 before they'll be able to become a popular platform.

better than gnome or KDe
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 15:29 UTC

to bad , linux people don't put all support here.

Re: Cocoa and GNUstep
by Nicolas Roard on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 16:02 UTC

The same code works for GNUstep and Cocoa? So why is it that in GNUstep, everything looks like basic X primitives from the early 1980's?

Code != Graphic aspect ...

And if you know how X looked in early 80's, I doubt you'd make the comparison :-))

GNUstep by default has the NeXT look. Part of the "problem" is that it assumes a linear gamma on your monitor, and that's in general not the case. What does that means is that GNUstep's default look on a calibrated monitor doesn't look as dark, and is much better. But of course you retain the "blocky" UI (the thing is, it's a really nice UI when you get used to it, because things are *clear* and readable ... but well of course, today everybody wants Aqua with pulsating buttons...)

Camaelon 2 is a pixmap theme engine for GNUstep, you can grab the current version on étoilé's cvs (http://www.gna.org/projects/etoile) or a cvs snapshot on http://www.roard.com/gnustep/ . Grab Nesedah.theme.tgz or SimpleUI.theme.tgz to test it.

http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme44.png for an example of SimpleUI.

PearPC
by Hm? on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 16:13 UTC

Hang on... PearPC lets you run MacOSX binaries on GNUStep? And GNUStep runs on x86?

Hmm...

Anyone else finds this interesting?

PearPC
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 16:42 UTC

PearPC is a power pc emulator. It is NOT a layer such as wine...PearPC has no relation to GNUStep.

GNUstep is the only way...
by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 17:10 UTC

...to program and work in a NextSTEP like environment on x86 today, if you want to use modern x86 hardware. That's why we need it. The reason it looks the way it does is because NextSTEP looked like this basically from its beginning in the late 80's to its end in 1997.

While it may not pose all the colors of OSX, its advanced compositing engine or look like the latest Gnome theme, it's surprisingly calm, clear and orderly to work with and doesn't get in the way.

The huge advantage of GNUstep is that the architecture, APIs, GUI layout and general behaviour is already defined, tried and tested for more than 10 years by Sun, NeXT and Apple. They don't have to make things up as they go along and that helps eliminating many mistakes that Gnome and KDE have been suffering from in the past.

There is already a full IDE to work with and it's so much easier to use than anything for Gnome or KDE.

Now we need more people working on this, the desktop Backbone and it'll be ready to take on KDE and Gnome, head on. :-)

RE: and a theme...
by Ronald on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 17:28 UTC

wow the theme from jesseross is HOT HOT HOT!!!

It's the most beautiful theme I have ever seen... O_O

http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png

v where are the apps?
by CrapFilledTeaCup on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 17:37 UTC
Re: RE: and a theme...
by Richard Fillion on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 17:49 UTC

wow the theme from jesseross is HOT HOT HOT!!!

It's the most beautiful theme I have ever seen... O_O


Indeed that's damn sexy, unfortunately it's not a theme but a mockup.

GNUstep is really quite amazing. With more developers they could easily become as popular as GNOME and KDE. The API (damn near the same as Cocoa) is so very simple, logical, and freaking powerful. Objective-C is also a very nice language. ;)

re: where are the apps?
by Nicolas Roard on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 17:56 UTC

You don't know fresmheat ??

http://freshmeat.net/browse/806/

Menus
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 21:07 UTC

I've been interested in GNUStep for a while. But the menus really bother me. Its there a way to get a menu bar accrossed the top of the screen like MacOS?

Rap App Dev
by PdC on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 21:23 UTC

is it already possible to create applications as mr. steve jobs demonstrated eons ago on his next cube?

re: Menus
by Nicolas Roard on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 21:37 UTC

Yes, you can have horizontal menu like on MacOS using WildMenu.

re: Rap App Dev
by Nicolas Roard on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 21:42 UTC

is it already possible to create applications as mr. steve jobs demonstrated eons ago on his next cube?

Well, that's kinda the point of GNUstep, isn't it ?

check this video : http://www.gnustep.org/experience/DevelopmentDemonstration.html

video demo ..
by Nicolas Roard on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:02 UTC

the above flash demo is also available in divx here: http://www.gnustep.org/experience/DevelopmentDemonstration.mpg

Wildmenu
by Tommy M. on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:08 UTC

any one got a link? (screenshot etc..)

thanks.

C'ya!

RE: Wildmenu
by Gürkan on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:12 UTC
RE: wildmenu
by Tommy M. on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:14 UTC

thank you!

Off to bed! Good Night!

Compatibility with Cocoa
by Viro on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:24 UTC

How compatible is GNUStep with Cocoa? The documentation (http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/userfaq...) says that it is easy to port between Cocoa and GNUStep but it doesn't say how complete GNUStep is. What functionality is missing when porting from Cocoa to GNUStep?

Also, GNUStep doesn't support frameworks (http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/User/GNUstep/userfaq...). How hard will it be to port an application that uses a framework to GNUStep if the source code to the said framework is available? So many questions... and this project looks very promising if anyone is interested in porting Mac applications written in Objective-C and Cocoa to Linux and Windows.

RE: RE: and a theme...
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:43 UTC


wow the theme from jesseross is HOT HOT HOT!!!

It's the most beautiful theme I have ever seen... O_O

http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png


Damn, that is nice!

RE: Menus
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:46 UTC


I've been interested in GNUStep for a while. But the menus really bother me. Its there a way to get a menu bar accrossed the top of the screen like MacOS?


Yeah, I don't like the menus either. I prefer them in the application themselves (i.e. like typical desktop enviroments of today), although this wouldn't be very NEXTish. I wouldn't mind a menu on the top, as you mentioned, if I can't get them in the application.

RE: RE: Wildmenu
by Anonymous on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 22:48 UTC

Oh yeah, this is pretty cool.

Theme
by Norva on Sun 3rd Apr 2005 23:37 UTC

http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png

I second that, it is very beautiful.

Vertical Menus rule
by Marc J. Driftmeyer on Mon 4th Apr 2005 00:46 UTC

I can't stand the default horizontal menus. Where are the tear off menus?

Where are the toggling between apps storing menu states that include their onscreen positions?

What NeXTSTEP/Openstep offered was the ability to command double click appicon (autohide) all apps but the one you work on and know that the menus are where you want them intermingled with the windows (editing contexts) you were working within specifically with that submenu.

Nothing is more damn annoying than having to waste time to the nth number of mouse movements to the find that function.

What is missing in OS X is the option to dwrite the theme for vertical menus. Then that way people can shut up and have either option.

GNUstep & GoboLInux
by become on Mon 4th Apr 2005 01:01 UTC

Imaging the gnustep run in the gobolinux ( www.gobolinux.org )!

Wow!

Emacs doesn't work for me...
by Anonymous on Mon 4th Apr 2005 04:52 UTC

I am using Fedora Core 3 with gnustep-startup 1.10.


Emacs doesn't start up.What do I have to do?

(~/emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc2/GNUstep)$ openapp build/Emacs.app &
[1] 32125
(~/emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc2/GNUstep)$ 2005-04-04 13:50:31.000 Emacs[32125] Loaded font '<NSFont: 87346b0> Courier 12.000 0.000 0.000 12.000 0.000 0.000 N P 0' of size 12.
free_frame_faces
Screen has an unknown visual class







Emacs doesn't work for me...
by Anonymous on Mon 4th Apr 2005 04:54 UTC

I am using Fedora Core 3 with gnustep-startup 1.10.


Emacs doesn't start up.What do I have to do?

(~/emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc2/GNUstep)$ openapp build/Emacs.app &
[1] 32125
(~/emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc2/GNUstep)$ 2005-04-04 13:50:31.000 Emacs[32125] Loaded font '<NSFont: 87346b0> Courier 12.000 0.000 0.000 12.000 0.000 0.000 N P 0' of size 12.
free_frame_faces
Screen has an unknown visual class







re: Menus
by P on Mon 4th Apr 2005 04:55 UTC

Yep, there's a bundle called WildMenus that does just that