Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:15 UTC
Internet & Networking Can a Windows system and a Linux system talk together harmoniously? After all, there is a lot of work and personal data left on Windows PCs that many want to keep! So this question of networking the two systems is both reasonable and vital.
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Something deeper...
by Devilotx on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:25 UTC
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I'd like to see something that goes into getting Red Hat ES to comunicate with a Windows 2000/2003 domain, I'm failing miserably at that right now, short of the awsome tools in Xandros Business Desktop I can fake it, but not get it quite right...

All in all though, a nice little read, if just a bit brief.

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RE: Something deeper...
by will on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:37 UTC in reply to "Something deeper..."
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Ditto. There are guides for various distros, but usually they are distro specific, and quite often don't work anymore. Trying to get a Linux machine to auth via AD is absolute hell - In our lab at college, we've made gratuitous use of Ghost, just to speed up the process of "trying again".

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RE: Something deeper...
by GirTheRobot on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:53 UTC in reply to "Something deeper..."
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Here's a hint. Install and use Webmin (http://www.webmin.com/) for your Samba configuration.



Use the Samba Module:
Go to the "Windows Networking Options"
Set the Workgroup name to be the name of your domain, set it to use your Domain controller for the WINS server and Password server. Select "User" level security. Set Master Browser to "no"

Go to "Bind to Domain"
Bind as user "Administrator", enter the password, Bind to Domain from the Samba configuration.

That should do the trick.

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SMB Linux Integration
by klynch on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:32 UTC
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I must say that as far as Linux still has to go to better network with Windows, SMB integration has come a *long* way.

The SMB browsing in XFCE4 is fantastic, and it is decent for what I need in Gnome. This is much improved from what it was a few years ago.

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Just think....
by rm6990 on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:44 UTC
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I must say that as far as Linux still has to go to better network with Windows, SMB integration has come a *long* way.

The SMB browsing in XFCE4 is fantastic, and it is decent for what I need in Gnome. This is much improved from what it was a few years ago.


Just think how far we would be if Microsoft actually co-operated with the Samba developers to ensure platform inter-operability (they sure like to throw that word around despite not knowing the meaning of it).

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RHAS + WinXP Home = :-(
by rm6990 on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:47 UTC
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I'd like to see something that goes into getting Red Hat ES to comunicate with a Windows 2000/2003 domain, I'm failing miserably at that right now, short of the awsome tools in Xandros Business Desktop I can fake it, but not get it quite right...

All in all though, a nice little read, if just a bit brief.


Red Hat AS (actually, CentOS, same difference) + Win XP Home = Nightmare. It took me forever to get them to talk to each other properly.

With Ubuntu, I used a gui and then edited one line in a text file and it worked perfectly. Actually browsing a Shared Folder on WinXP Home right now from my Ubuntu desktop.

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RE: RHAS + WinXP Home = :-(
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:58 UTC in reply to "RHAS + WinXP Home = :-("
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"With Ubuntu, I used a gui and then edited one line in a text file and it worked perfectly. Actually browsing a Shared Folder on WinXP Home right now from my Ubuntu desktop."

Care to share that feature of Ubuntu? ;)

-Robert

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RE[2]: RHAS + WinXP Home = :-(
by rm6990 on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:53 UTC in reply to "RE: RHAS + WinXP Home = :-("
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2005-07-04

I have only tried this where I don't have SAMBA user accounts (where anyone on the network can access the shares). In Hoary, I went to System >> Administration >> Shared Folders (you must have samba and smbfs installed before doing this). Then set up your shares how you went (and make sure you edit your general settings to set your workgroup, etc.). Then apply and close.

Edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf config file. In there, there should be a line that says

security = user

Change this to

security = share

Then restart samba with the command

sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart

Let me know if you need any more help.

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Ummm...
by Arakon on Thu 7th Jul 2005 19:58 UTC
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I've been using Mandrake Linux 10.1 for a while now as a primary file-server on our network of 1 XP Pro machine a win2K pro machine and a Mac and I've not had a problem yet. So whats the point of this article? Samba has been pretty compliant with windows for a while now.

I keep all my music on the machine and regularly stream it to any one of my machines and an Xbox. No problems and it really wasn't that hard to set up either.

The machine is headless, just boots to the prompt, no monitor. I VNC into it to do any work locally, but mostly I just turn the box on when I need it, off when I don't.

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oh
by Arakon on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:01 UTC
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One small thing, I keep the shares password locked so windows actually has to login to the machine. I have the drive mapped locally to the 2 win boxes. WinXP remembers the password and has no problems but the Win2K machine has to have the password put in the first time it connects everytime.

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RE: oh
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:12 UTC in reply to "oh"
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THere is a way around this. Make sure that your samba user and windows users are the same and use the same password. Windows only prompts for a password if the current set of credentials (what you are logged in as) don't work. If they do work, it will just use them.

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RE[2]: oh
by intangible on Thu 7th Jul 2005 22:48 UTC in reply to "RE: oh"
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Know anymore of the details of this? Does this work on the net too?

For example, if I make a link on my webpage to file:\10.10.10.10share and a Windows user clicks on it, is Windows going to try to authenticate against my server using thier username and password? If so, isn't that a little dangerous sending passwords to random boxes?

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RE[3]: oh
by intangible on Thu 7th Jul 2005 22:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: oh"
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BTW, looks like OSNEWS 3.0 strips out single backslashes.

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Re: Arakon
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:40 UTC
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Ditto.

Listening the music streamed from my Mandrake 10 file server to my WinXP Pro desktop.Was a breeze to set up.

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Easy here too
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 20:50 UTC
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I'm using SyncBack (freeware Win ap) to routinely synchronize folders between my XP box and my Ubuntu desktop over a samba share. Very nice and easy (SyncBack stores the samba user/pass).

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More on Samba
by GirTheRobot on Thu 7th Jul 2005 21:04 UTC
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All in all, I would recommend anyone to use Webmin to set up Samba. Just make sure you convert and enable the wanted UNIX users to Samba users. It is PAINLESS and EASY.

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v Get Another XP license
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 21:05 UTC
Windows to Linux Fedora
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 21:29 UTC in reply to "Get Another XP license"
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Why not just buy another license for Windows XP instead of going through headache of trying to network with Fedora? It would be so much easier, trust me.

Why not just buy another book for dummies and use WebDav for file sharing and forget about OS'es.

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uh
by Anonymous on Thu 7th Jul 2005 21:32 UTC
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why would is be easier.... it isnt hard to start with..

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AD authentication on a SAMBA server
by polaris20 on Thu 7th Jul 2005 23:57 UTC
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OOh that's good fun. It took us about 4 months to finally get an RHEL3 server into AD, and for it to work seamlessly appearing as a Windows file server to WinXP/2K clients.

There's no definitive guide on the net for it; we kind of had to piece together stuff from different sites to get it to work.

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There's no definitive guide on the net for it; we kind of had to piece together stuff from different sites to get it to work

The linux community is all about sharing, so if you had to piece it all together give back to the community that you are taking from and write a howto ;)

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another XP License
by polaris20 on Fri 8th Jul 2005 00:03 UTC
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"Why not just buy another license for Windows XP instead of going through headache of trying to network with Fedora? It would be so much easier, trust me."

Trust me, it's not easier. It takes all of 10 minutes to get XP and FC4 talking to each other, and it doesn't require downloading webmin or manually editing smb.conf.

Unless you're trying to join an AD domain, getting XP and FC to work together on a workgroup level is terribly easy, using the GUI stuff already included in FC2/3/4 and most other major distros, like SuSe.

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linux+samba+win2k=
by hobgoblin on Fri 8th Jul 2005 00:45 UTC
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no problems at all.
ok, so it was in workgroup mode but who the hell runs a active directory domain at home?

to much work for to little gain unless you got something like 10-20 machines that you continualy access for some reason or other and want to make sure one you get access...

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heh
by QuantumG on Fri 8th Jul 2005 01:11 UTC
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I read that as there is a lot of work and personal data theft on Windows PCs that many want to keep!

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@hobgoblin
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 02:50 UTC
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Agreed. Who's going to spend $500+ on a Windows 2003 OS just to experiment with AD?

Not to mention that SBS is the "training wheels" version of 2003 anyway.

A better solution would be to utilize Samba as a domain controller.

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joke
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 02:51 UTC
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the article is a joke. the linux admin cant even get his damn terminology right.

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RE: joke
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 04:27 UTC in reply to "joke"
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I don't have a problem with the article. But none of what was said in the article actually worked.

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v @polaris20
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 02:54 UTC
Xandros
by rm6990 on Fri 8th Jul 2005 05:21 UTC
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I heard Xandros works really well when authenticating against Active Directory, better than any other distro.

I still don't understand why people would run Windows on servers and Linux on the desktop though.....its normally the other way around. Unless you plan on having a few Xandros boxes and mainly Windows desktops, in which case Xandros makes a lot of sense (if it works as advertised, that is)

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@anonymous
by polaris20 on Fri 8th Jul 2005 15:57 UTC
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"yeah, every time i ask a linux nerd how to do smb file sharing, he cant deliver shit over the telephone. under 10 minutes my ass."

Perhaps they don't know how to communicate Linux terminology like "check box" and "read/write" to a user.

I walked a friend that knows nothing about Linux other than surfing the internet and checking e-mail through configuring samba for file sharing on a workgroup level.

Either your local linux "nerd" lacks proper communication skills, or you're not smart enough to understand basic English.

Seriously, it's not that hard, and this article does a good job of explaining it.

And if you're going to be rude, how about using a real name instead of anonymous?

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@seratne
by polaris20 on Fri 8th Jul 2005 16:00 UTC
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"The linux community is all about sharing, so if you had to piece it all together give back to the community that you are taking from and write a howto ;) "

Working on it dude =)

I really want to make it concise and double check my spelling, so when it possibly gets posted here, it gets hacked to pieces by OSNews readers slightly less =)

"OMG JU spelld Kerberos wrong! Ju suxor!"

Or something like that.

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RE:Something deeper...
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 17:46 UTC
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you are reinstalling the system on a failed attempt:

wow. maybe system administration just isnt your thing. i suggest giving up.

im serious.

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@anonymous:
by polaris20 on Fri 8th Jul 2005 18:04 UTC
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"you are reinstalling the system on a failed attempt:

wow. maybe system administration just isnt your thing. i suggest giving up.

im serious."

You should try using an apostrophe and capitalization once and awhile. I'm serious.

Giving up is not a good solution. How is this good advice?

He won't learn if he doesn't keep trying.

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