Linked by Andrew Youll on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:01 UTC
Windows Today the Web Standards Project announced (Editor Note: Actual announcement date 5th July 2005) it has formed a task force with Microsoft Corp. to provide support as the company increases Web standards support in its products including Microsoft Visual Studio and ASP.NET. The group will work together to better understand and execute on Web standards as defined by standards bodies such as the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C).
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by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:06 UTC
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"I shall believe it when I see it,
and not before."

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I dunno.
by will on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:13 UTC
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Didn't MS at one point try and promote font standards for web? Didn't that fail too? ;)

As a professional web developer, I'm all about standards - it'll make my life a whole lot easier.. However, MS has a lot of work to do to get IE to support standarizations such as CSS.

Just as long as they don't make things worse..

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Rubs eyes...
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:32 UTC
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I must be dreaming... if microsoft keeps to the SPIRIT of these standards, this might be very good news!

Although it's true I would rather see them improve standards in their browser!

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Repeat after me...
by SpookyET on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:38 UTC
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HALLELUJAH!

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v Web Standards for OSnews ?
by Anonymous on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:46 UTC
At least they're trying to cooperate...
by Joe User on Fri 8th Jul 2005 22:48 UTC
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I think Microsoft doesn't have to improve on web standards to retain their market shares, they just have to ad tabs.

But Gosh, that would save us so much time it IE behaved just like Opera, Konqueror or Mozilla... No double CSS coding and IE hacks.

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I don't trust
by joelito_pr on Fri 8th Jul 2005 23:09 UTC
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Sounds like that old embrace and kill strategy

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As long as.....
by offler on Sat 9th Jul 2005 00:22 UTC
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...they own the patents I'm sure Microsoft will be VERY happy to help standardization.

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Uh -
by JLF65 on Sat 9th Jul 2005 00:41 UTC
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Shouldn't Microsoft try to meet CURRENT standards before promoting extensions?

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Failed?
by Anonymous on Sat 9th Jul 2005 00:43 UTC
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Didn't MS at one point try and promote font standards for web? Didn't that fail too? ;)

Not quite. They dropped the core fonts program before it ever had a real chance to take off. They realized that most formal standards are bad for Microsoft, because its monopoly position makes anything they throw into Windows automatically a de facto standard. Why help your competitors when you can set your own "standards" and let everybody else perpetually play catch-up?

Sure, it's illegal to use your monopoly that way. But obviously Microsoft doesn't worry about trifles like that. They spread enough money around that the law is only a minor concern.

Microsoft teaming with a standards group is nothing new. We've seen it with W3C, IETF, ECMA, and others. Sometimes they get involved just to slow down the process or provide cover for their eventual counter-strategy. Othertimes they follow their tried-and-true embrace-and-extend strategy. But an announcement like this isn't news. Releasing a version of IE that actually follows these standards and doesn't take active steps to subvert them... that'll be news. Call me when that happens.

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If you can't buy them
by dukeinlondon on Sat 9th Jul 2005 00:54 UTC
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smother them

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v Yeah..............Right!!!
by Anonymous on Sat 9th Jul 2005 01:30 UTC
and in other news....
by zizban on Sat 9th Jul 2005 01:38 UTC
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Pigs were seen flying across the skies of Washington State today!

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RE: and in other news....
by DittoBox on Sat 9th Jul 2005 05:07 UTC in reply to "and in other news...."
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I've yet to see any. Where exactly were these pigs? A little futher north than Vancouver (WA, not BC)?

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They didn't mention IE
by DittoBox on Sat 9th Jul 2005 05:10 UTC
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They failed to mention IE in the document. Had they, I'd be a little more apt to celebrate.

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Ms must be joking
by Anonymous on Sat 9th Jul 2005 08:11 UTC
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I think they bring this guys in, tell them, these are our standards and now u implement them, good boys , $$. Kincking. ;)

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Browser-apps
by Ronald Vos on Sat 9th Jul 2005 16:34 UTC
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Perhaps you're all missing something, perhaps I am, but doesn't this hint of web-based applications?

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this must be a joke
by Anonymous on Sat 9th Jul 2005 17:08 UTC
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Given the horrible track record of Microsoft in terms of compliance with the W3C standards this can only be a joke. I believe it when I see it. So far this announcement is not any more credible than all the empty promises and the hyping of Longhorn.

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RE: this must be a joke
by CPUGuy on Mon 11th Jul 2005 05:09 UTC in reply to "this must be a joke"
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Microsoft actually had the best track record for following W3C standards up until IE5.5.

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