Dropline GNOME 2.10.2 has been released, a complete ISO image will be available soon.
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RE: What exactly did they do
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Dropline GNOME is as i understand it, a Slackware focused project to maintain GNOME for Slackware since Patrick dropped GNOME support from Slackware.
I may have gotten this wrong but this what i understand from things I've read.
You are sort of right there. It has actually been around since long before Gnome was dropped from Slackware. Slackware always provided sort of a vanilla Gnome, unlike Red Hat and Novell, which make Gnome much more friendly. Dropline adds these kinds of features and enhancements to Gnome for Slackware. Now they pretty much are the only Gnome source for Slackware.
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The theme and icons set are designed by one of our own developers, Silvestre Herrera. We're pretty proud of his work. His icons have been one of the most popular sets on http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1049
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Yeah zach i condensed it, because I have been told off before for posting large a Synposis for a news item.
So I condensed it down into a link to the main page, and about the ISO being released soon.
But Zach, thanks for the submission i think its a very good thing to maintain a GNOME release for Slackware.
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As a few people have pointed out, dropline is far from new. As one of the people most involved with dropline, I thought I might clarify a few things.
dropline GNOME started up back when GNOME 2.0 came out, and Pat decided he wouldn't include it. Eventually Pat decided he would include GNOME, and Todd (the original maintainer of dropline) decided he would continue releasing dropline as a better GNOME for Slackware (similar to Ximian GNOME for RedHat).
Todd continued this role up untill Gnome 2.8, when he decided to retire. Gnome 2.8.2 was the first community release. Since then we have kept dropline going.
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Install Dropline and kiss your Slackware good bye.
And all the server daemons, like Samba, Mysql, etc. since they will no longer work.
Happened to me on Slack 10 after installing Dropline and Pam screwed up everything. I couldn't even log in to my user account.
The arguments they give in their FAQ are made to sound like it's all just a "walk in the park" but in reality it's all bullshit.
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Well, I am not making it up.
It realy caused these problems on my system.
Samba stopped working and sql lost network connectivity too.
And could only log in as root account into Slack. Not as a regular user.
All I did was to install the complete Dropline distro.
So don't tell me I am incompetent.
But I am not talking about this latest Dropline.
It was previous version of Dropline, I think for Slack 10 or might have been even 9.1.
But it really happened. I would not make it up just to trash Dropline or Gnome.
I tried Dropline then specificaly because I wanted to see a newer version of Gnome.
Mind you, I haven't touched Gnome or Dropline since then and probably never will untill it's as easy to install Gnome as it is any other WM or DE.
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Well, if PAM were the culprit then you probably wouldn't be able to log in at all (even as root), due to the way its authentication works, but that's beyond the point.
We want everyone to have a good experience with our desktop. I'm sorry that things did not work out for you. I can assure you that the vast majority of installs work flawlessly. It's hard to tell what might have really been the cause of the problem, but if you ever feel like installing Dropline GNOME again, we'll certainly try to help make sure that everything ends up working okay.
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Well, if PAM were the culprit then you probably wouldn't be able to log in at all (even as root), due to the way its authentication works, but that's beyond the point.
Well, my problems started right after instlaling that version of Dropline and after researching Pam and making configuration changes I resolved some of the problems. But decided it wasn't worth the effort.
We want everyone to have a good experience with our desktop. I'm sorry that things did not work out for you. I can assure you that the vast majority of installs work flawlessly. It's hard to tell what might have really been the cause of the problem, but if you ever feel like installing Dropline GNOME again, we'll certainly try to help make sure that everything ends up working okay.
Zach
Thanks for the kind words.
I do realize the amount of work and effort that goes to Dropline and I respect that.
However I also reserve the right to disagree and criticise the desing of Dropline and the changes it does to Slackware.
That's why my original post came out so harsh and sensational. I must still have a bit of a bitter memory from that experience.
Like they say, "once bitten, always shy".
And I have no need for DE like Dropline any more.
I've gone minimalistic a while ago. And even dropped KDE which I was using for a few years.
I started to exercise, eat more vegetables and switched to Icewm on all my computers. And I love it.
I now firmly believe that a hive of buggy bloatware like Gnome and KDE don't belong on Linux computers and until those two DE's get some sence in them, I will not touch them again.
That's just me though. But I think there are more like-minded Slackware users. Slackers can be stubborn but use their Linux skills to have their own way of doing things in Linux.
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I don't think Dropline GNOME [1] is responsible for his login problems. Although I'm far from being a Dropline GNOME fan, I have tested it on a test box with a clean and complete Slackware Linux [2] 10.1 installation and everything worked fine. I think he probably use a kind of swaret [3] or slapt-get [4] package manager which installs third party, badly designed packages from LinuxPackages [5] or something like that.
[1] Dropline GNOME : http://www.dropline.net/gnome/
[2] Linux Slackware : http://www.slackware.com/
[3] Swaret: http://swaret.sourceforge.net/
[4] Slapt-Get : http://directory.fsf.org/sysadmin/Configuration/slapt-get.html
[5] LinuxPackages : http://www.linuxpackages.net/
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LiNuCe. I just noticed that you're doing a set of GNOME 2.10.1 packages for Slackware. That's great news. It's nice for there to be options for Slackware users.
http://linuce.free.fr/slackware/10.1/gnome-2.8.3+/
http://linuce.free.fr/slackware/10.1/gnome-2.10.1+/
-Zach
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I did not say that you are making it up. I as a slackware user too tried to use dropline at some point but *NEVER* and i mean *NEVER* had a problem with PAM while i had some other problems which were fixed by myself or by posting on their forums. OK, i took it too harshly on you in haste with the previous comment i posted. No software is perfect but the current offering those dropline folks put deserves some repect as they've put a lot of work to make it what is is today. Yes, you are entiled to your own opinion but seeing many, many posts that always bash their project or PAM they use and mix with slack is pointless. And i suspect many of those who complain about PAM never even tried dropline to begin with. Let's look at it this way:
many commercial distros no need to mention them here or even UNIX OS's use PAM or it's variations. Pat has his stance on the PAM subject and that is respectd but who are those to say PAM does not belong in slackware? Nothing is stopping me from getting the sources and compiling my own so i can use other software with PAM features or to make my life easier.
Let's be honest here, Pat is one person and he does not have the time or resources nor inclination to release PAM in slackware for few reasons: PAM can be complex, software such as ldap or kerberos make good use of PAM and most likely he would have to include it with his distro. And when was the last time PAM had a SA which affected many? PAM is maturing and it's a necessity these days.
That said i did not mean to offend anyone and while the previous post was not nice don't take it seriously. You have showed your maturity and now i showed mine. After all we're all slackers and one big family. Keep on slackin'
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Dropline always looked gorgeous, and it never gave me any grief. Yet I was always slightly uneasy about the depth of changes it was making to my Slackware installation - especially at the time when (if I recall correctly) it brought in its own Xorg while Slack was still using XFree! Then there was this whole issue with Pam...
Anyhow, for those who would like to have Gnome on their Slack box but perhaps in more vanilla flavour, there are at least two other projects I know of: Gnome.SlackBuild at http://gsb.freerock.org/links/ and Gware at http://www.gware.org/
