Linked by Andrew Youll on Tue 12th Jul 2005 20:56 UTC
SGI and IRIX SGI today claimed that it can bring supercomputing to the masses in the form of its cheapest ever scalable rack-mounted servers and storage systems.
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For the Masses?
by Anonymous on Tue 12th Jul 2005 21:07 UTC
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Since when has 20k at the entry price point been for the Masses?

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RE: For the Masses?
by Anonymous on Tue 12th Jul 2005 21:28 UTC in reply to "For the Masses?"
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maybe SGI refers to the masses of suits in big corporations...

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v SGI Faces Bankruptcy
by Anonymous on Tue 12th Jul 2005 21:13 UTC
seriously
by tastytaste on Tue 12th Jul 2005 22:01 UTC
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... wow my mom and dad will be so pleased that they can now have their supercomputer for only 7 grand per 1U unit... they're practically GIVING them away.

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v Maybe they
by Matt Giacomini on Tue 12th Jul 2005 22:47 UTC
Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 00:14 UTC
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I wonder how long it is going to take Intel to completely fold Itanic... I give it another 3 years before Intel burns through another $2Bn in wasted investment on Itanic and completely pulls the plug. It is going to be interesting what happens to SGI then. If I were making decisions at SGI, I would be seriously considering Opteron now.

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v RE: Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 00:21 UTC in reply to "Itanic can kill SGI"
RE[2]: Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 08:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Itanic can kill SGI"
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>Everyone is doing their data on grids and stuff now

Yeah like the terragrid folks;

http://www.gridtoday.com/05/0117/104473.html

no need for that big ol' iron any more ;)

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RE[3]: Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 10:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Itanic can kill SGI"
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I think you may be somewhat wrong on this if this is your 'general view'. In a large number of cases, the intra-node communication becomes the bottleneck - even on clusters with Myrinet, Dolphin SCI or other hi speed interconnects. In those settings, grids are not really going to help you much.

That said, there are plenty of 'batch processing' tasks that runs very, very well on grids, e.g. finance/monte carlo simulations are great for that.

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RE[4]: Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 13:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Itanic can kill SGI"
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reread the post with your irony detection apperatus enabled ;) or perhaps you were not replying to me...

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RE: Itanic can kill SGI
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 11:47 UTC in reply to "Itanic can kill SGI"
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Itanuim is cool. If intel could provide a more affordable solution (by stripping down caches for example) i would buy one =)

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RE[2]: Itanic can kill SGI
by kaiwai on Wed 13th Jul 2005 12:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Itanic can kill SGI"
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They're offordable right now; in amounts of 1000, they're priced only slightly higher than the Xeon; the problem is, however, you can't buy the CPU's off any distributor, and no third party motherboard and component manufacturers are providing solutions to small white box computer businesses, which still make up over 40% of the market place - in some countries, higher.

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??
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 03:29 UTC
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Supercomputing with regular off the shelf commodity chips is real wasteful.

We need to use streaming processors for alot of projects. They are more efficient.

http://merrimac.stanford.edu/

I do like itanium though.

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RE: ??
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 10:39 UTC in reply to "??"
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Anonymous,

Would you care to elaborate ? "Supercomputing with regular off the shelf commodity chips is real wasteful" does not provide much insight as to which industries and purposes you are talking about.

I certainly agree about the need for streaming processors, but by and far, they (possibly with the exception of ClearSpeed) are not mature enough for most industry specific purposes (in large scale settings, not thinking of 'desktop tinkering')

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ridiculous prices
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 03:56 UTC
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Too expensive and running on dead end intel cpus. They feel the squeeze from the desktop sector so they must lower prices on their hw and they make it then look like they're doing us a favor by dropping prices on their crap hw. You can probably build a rack server from desktop computers and use some linux sw to run it at fraction of the cost and faster.

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Bargain
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 07:12 UTC
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For that kind of hardware, the price really is a bargain. I believe that Sun is offering competitive hardware with slightly better prices, but Iīm not sure. And to anyone who thinks that one could build a rack of off-shelves desktop parts and just throw Linux at it (letīs pretend that those 1U small factor mobos and cases are commodities), I have a quick question. Have you EVER stepped on a Data Center? :-)

I, being an avid Linux user, agree that Linux plays a big part on the performance of these SGI offerings, but puhleese...

However, like some posters already pointed out, Iīd keep both eyes on Intelīs roadmap for Itanium since they arenīt exactly best sellers and everybody and their mothers knows that Intel already spent a lot of money in this. Even HP, Intelīs partner on R&D for the Itanium, already jumped off the wagon.

It would be wise if SGI started to evaluate AMD offerings for its Altix product lines just as a fail safe (or even consider completely replace Intelīs processors with AMD ones since Intel has been playing catch-up to AMD for quite some time).

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by Buck on Wed 13th Jul 2005 10:21 UTC
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I wonder if only Linux can be used on this hardware... What about FreeBSD?

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wait until the bankruptcy sale
by pravda on Wed 13th Jul 2005 11:26 UTC
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This is what SGI is really talking about. At the bankruptcy sale, pennies on the dollar, so that will be $70 per 1U supercomputer.

$70 is not a bad deal , all things considered. A decent machine with good FP performance and a museum piece as well. At long last, SGI figured out how to offer hardware at a good price. Hurrah.

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Hot
by haugland on Wed 13th Jul 2005 11:38 UTC
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Damn. Itanic CPUs in a 1U configuration. Talk about thermal challenges. With a TDP of 100W+ SGI must have som serious cooling i those pizzaboxes.

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Re: For the Masses?
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 12:06 UTC
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Since when has 20k at the entry price point been for the Masses?

Depends on what you get and what you can use it for.

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Altix
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 12:17 UTC
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Itanium gets a LOT of flak, some of which is deserved, some of which is not.

As it stands, Altix is INCREDIBLY scalable - it beats hybrid-cluster systems such as the Cray XD1 or commodity x86/Myrinet clusters into dirt for almost linear scaling with cpu/job size.

However, the two big issues with itanium are compilers and proce. When we had an Itanium2 system to test, the version of ICC at the time realy struggled in some cases - sometimes the output codes were blazing fast, sometimes they were rubbish compared to a P3 of the same clock speed. When you consider what you can buy for your money, Itanium is simply too risky for uncertain performance characteristics - Ģ20 buys you a 16-core opteron machine, which is more "conventional" to work with, and easier to get reasonablew performance from.

Is ICC better now? probably. But that's no guarantee, and a smart cluster admin, is going to think twice about sinking a lot of money into Altix.

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News Flash
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 12:24 UTC
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The masses aren't interested in supercomputing. They are mostly interested in why the new version Freecell doesn't have their favorite deck of cards.

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hp and bandwagon
by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 13:47 UTC
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care to elaborate how hp jumped off the bandwagon?

hp is still moving enterprise unix (a big business for them) from pa-risc to itanium...I see no other processor anywhere on the horizon.

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by Anonymous on Wed 13th Jul 2005 17:15 UTC
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http://www.primidi.com/2003/12/01.html

a little on streaming processor for supercomputers.

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Back to relevancy?
by Ronald Vos on Wed 13th Jul 2005 22:37 UTC
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Now they've corrected their prices, could this mean SGI will eventually become relevant again, and that I should buy their stock which is at a record low? ;)

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RE: streaming Processors
by Ronald Vos on Wed 13th Jul 2005 22:42 UTC
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That looks interesting. If chipbuilding didn't cost a damn lot of money and expertise..

I would like to see AMD go at it ;)
It's true that modern processors are extremely wasteful of processor cycles.

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