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And there is a new VM in the Kernel, as well as the CPU depending FPU optimizations which the kernel now understands.
Even newest APIC-Support and HT and EMT64 is on the way, folks.

My Dell Latitude D600 works with no problem.
even my Wlan card (intel 2100)works (only with 128 wep)

My intel 2200 are noy working but thats a bug (I don't get a ip.. and reported)

I hade to install the experimantal audio driver to get my sound to work.

and install the latest VLC 8.3 (night build from BeBits)for playing DVD

hmmm...if there were a livecd, I would try it out...

Notebook support _might_ be a problem. Zeta needs a 100 x86 System. A lot of notebook suppliers use to ignore standards of all kind. ^^ Well, for Windows it's OK. They just add their own drivers for their hardware. The best way to find a suiteble notebook is going to the shop with the Zeta-CD and asking if you may install it! The other way round, going to the shop with a Notebook and asking if you may install one of their copies of Zeta on it, could be difficult.

As a quote here stated out, there are significant kernel - related changes in the Zeta R1 (Ram limitation, bigger Tracker-Addon space, new VM model f.ex.)
Working on these portions without having the Kernel Sourcecode is simply impossible.
Working on that without Palm's Notice about that is impossible (if it occurs without their permission or whatsoever).

Meanwhile we still make some bla-bla about the sourcecode ownership of the Kernel of Dano etc., yT inofficially speaks out, that the next Update Version (R1.5) possibly will content a brand-new Kernel. But for sure in Version 2.0 including a 64-Bit Version of Zeta.

So go on living with rumours. Some even believe that OS X is a MediaOS with it's nearly 40year old legacy OS underlying in it. So it's ok.

>You say:
"Booting is a matter of, say, 15 seconds, completely blowing away any Linux, Windows or OS X install."

While it might be faster than the mentioned operating systems, I can boot my linux system into kde in 20 seconds.
And my windows xp takes about 20 to 25 seconds to boot.

So I would not have used the words "blowing away"

You got a point, however, who's to say that booting Zeta would take 15 seconds on your machine? Maybe it takes less? We can only know for sure when someone posts the boot times for the different OSes on the same hardware.

So I would not have used the words "blowing away"

Booting XP on my machine takes roughly 30 seconds. And yes, I find cutting boottime in half "blowing away" .

Can boot WinXP and Linux to KDE in 20s on P2 400mhz with 192mb of ram? I highly doubt it ;p

Put things in perspective,
1. What is your system specs
2. What tweaking have you done.

I ask this because I have the fastest and greatest laptop and still dont get 15 sec.

Your computer is not typical. Every version of BeOS and Zeta that I have installed on my various computers throughout the years has always booted far faster than any other OS I have ever installed (various Linuxes (slow!), Windows 98 and XP, some others). BeOS/Zeta boots consistently under about 15 seconds while all others boot in around a minute (sometimes longer (Linux)). BeOS/Zeta is by far the fastest, most responsive, and best multimedia capible OS I have ever used.

> While it might be faster than the mentioned operating
systems, I can boot my linux system into kde in 20 seconds.
> And my windows xp takes about 20 to 25 seconds to boot.

I'm curious which version of Linux and which HW you use to have such fast startup, do you use a normally configured distro or did you have to change the configuration to speed up the boot?
The good thing about BeOS is that the fast boot time is the default.

An average AthlonXP P4 System with a 3.0 GHz CPU or alike one won't need more than 5 Seconds for booting in Zeta R1.

Basically, it depends on the drivers which have to be loaded as an extra, especially if it's a IDE Card or a SCSI CARD with connected devices on it.
But honestly, this makes XP Pro also slower as well as Linux.

15 Seconds for a 400 MHz CPU with an average set of devices is not a practical Value on W2K, XP, OS X or Linux - it's utopic.

you all seems to forget that AmigaOs has the fastest boot time than any other OS mentioned here and this on an outdated 14Mhz 68k motorolla processor with 2MB of RAM.
Regards
Lio

What's your point? DOS can boot in seconds too.

But, just like AmigaOS, its old, antiquated, and defunct. Sure, I loved my Amiga back in the day and would take one over a DOS machine anyday, but both of these systems are very simple compared to all the capabilities of a modern OS. BeOS just happens to offer almost every modern feature known plus it can boot up really fast.

Users can still run Pixel image editor from http://www.kanzelsberger.com

you can boot XP and linux on a Pentium2 400Mhz in 20seconds approx...

Not in my experience..

While many people like the ability to skin their windows, it detracts from one of the best aspects of BeOS's little yellow tabs (and yellowTab's namesake): that you can drag the title tab of a window, and layer them on top of one another, just like tabbed folders.

But you couldn't move the tab in relation to it's window, could you? Because don't you end up with a full window on the left, and a very thin window on the right when doing this?
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When OpenTracker added single window file browsing, that pretty much wrecked the whole of the tracker.

How is opening new windows for everything you click a good thing compared to using back and forward? I hated the clutter it gave on Windows and same on BeOS.

But you couldn't move the tab in relation to it's window, could you? Because don't you end up with a full window on the left, and a very thin window on the right when doing this?

Yes, you could. Moving the tab doesn't change the shapeo f the window, it moves the tab. Instead of having it on the far left, you could put it in the middle, or on the right, or whatever.

How is opening new windows for everything you click a good thing compared to using back and forward? I hated the clutter it gave on Windows and same on BeOS.

Having one window per folder strengthens the "folder == window" metaphor, as well is making it possible to actually use drag & drop to manage files. Most Windows users I know don't use drag & drop, they use copy & paste (because going to another folder means you can't see your original folder anymore). The problem is, there is no way to copy and paste files without either knowing how to use the right-click menu or knowing how to use the keyboard shortcuts (which is a UI design no-no).

Having used spatial Nautilus for a good six months in GNOME, I have to say its kind of hard to go back to anything else. BeOS's Tracker wasn't really spatial, but it was better than the "browser" paradigm.

"Having used spatial Nautilus for a good six months in GNOME, I have to say its kind of hard to go back to anything else"

amen! that is one thing I thought was horrible.... UNTIL i used it and got used to it now it is like tabbed browsing - nothing you miss until you use it then you wonder how you ever lived without it....

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Any MacOS user from the "good old days" will know this feeling. (=

Spacial is neat, relationalt database is better

Cheers,
. Knut

Yes, you could.<snip>

Ah, that elucidates a lot. Now I've only got to figure out how to shift the tabs..

If I recall correctly, you press Shift and drag the tab with your mouse.

Long time between drinks though.

Having used spatial Nautilus for a good six months in GNOME, I have to say its kind of hard to go back to anything else. BeOS's Tracker wasn't really spatial

What's not spatial about it? Unless you have "single window browse" turned on, the only non-spatial feature I've come across is that Tracker (irritatingly) lets you open additional windows for the same folder *if* they're in different workspaces. Originally it didn't do that, but some misguided soul "fixed" it when Tracker was made open source.

Yes, you could slide the tab in relation to the window. If I remember correctly you just hold the ctrl key down, click and drag to move them.

I never moved them much, just used lots of workspaces.

How is opening new windows for everything you click a good thing compared to using back and forward?

Because then you don't have to constantly resize windows to fit their contents.

I hated the clutter it gave on Windows and same on BeOS.

Clutter is not intrinsic to a spatial file manager, especially when you know how to use it.

I agree. The nice thing about BeOS, was that it was a very Mac-ish UI, except fast and on a PC. Zeta seems very different, from the bloated preference app to the gaudy bling-bling tabs to the WinXP rip-off scrollbars.

On my r5 machine OpenTraker has the option of single or multiple window browsing...so the choice is up to the user. I use single window on my laptop because it only supports 800x600 resolution so opening a lot of windows can make me feel crowded.

the trick was to use CTRL + doubleclick. This would open a new windows and close the old one. I really like the multiwindow approach combined with all the shortcuts.

>all the look and feel comes directly from the post R5 appserver codebase.
This look and feel 'post R5' was purely for testing/beta purposes, never released to public by Be,inc

AFAIK the app_server also runs some major changes since Dano - just look at for in the version on R1 ;-)
In fact there are realy just a few portions of 'Dano' which weren't touched by yT, or rewritten!

On my dual P4 Xeon, it supports both CPUs, works with my SCSI disks, and prints perfectly. I don't have a scanner, so I can't say anything about that.

The test was done on a 400MHz machine, so in comparison, its not bad at all!

It wasn't. The PII 400 is just a side-machine I have. The test itself was done on a AMD Athlon XP 1600+, Ati Radeon 9000 128MB, 512 MB RAM. If you looked at the screenshots, you would've known .

At work I need to have my computer started at a certain time or else my boss will think I'm late. It takes about 10 minutes to start up Windows with all the applications that's needed for my work (Windows itself takes about 5-6 minutes). If I could cut that boot time in half I could miss a subway train and still have time over. So don't diss boot times. Even though my situation depends a lot on how the autostart apps behave I would've saved time if Windows could behave better.

I care about boot times and maintenance-free computers because computers are made for the purpose of serving us humans, not vice versa, belive it or not. I view my *personal* computer similary to how I view my scientific calculator; which means that old fashioned mainframe-like behaviors (like maintenance, loud fans, heat, or silly boot times) disturbs me.

Best regards
Henrik K.

I fully agree. I prefer not to buy a ,,cat in a sack'' as Polish proverb says. To see it's to belive. :-)

"I prefer not to buy a ,,cat in a sack'' as Polish proverb says."

Nice. We say almost the same in Italian: "the cat in the sack"

hmm, im starting to suspect that its a kinda universial expression as it exist here in norway to

In Sweden we say "pig in the sack"

Round here you "buy a pig in a poke" .....it might be a moggy but you won't know untill you "let the cat out of the bag!"

Windows XP doesn't feel like Windows 95 either, but still, it still has the same feel."

Correction: "Windows XP isn't the same as Windows 95 either, but still, it still has the same feel."

I wouldn't say that was comparable, as windows doesn't have a single feel. It randomly uses both mdi and sdi (or both, in office's case), toolbars move around, dialogs are used for different sorts of things, and so on.

BeOS on the other hand was very consistent, with only some odd apps really needing to be learned, most you would just start using and feel comfortable with.

Moving to a garish look without a spatial Tracker isn't "moving on", its "moving backwards". Having enormous, space-wasting icons in Tracker is moving backwards. Having a media player that looks like a children's toy instead of a proper BeOS application (like SoundPlay does) is moving backwards. Having an "all-in-one" configuration app that violates several UI principles (eg: egregious amounts of blank space) is moving backwards.

for you it isnt but dont you remember that Yt is aiming for the NEW users in stead of the old user base? they want to sell...and many people already do...

as for the icons, you can make them smaller
as for the "garnish look" you can choose for R5 theme.
as for the Media Player..People want eyecandy..

i dont think its bad..look at Win XP everybody was saing the Teletubby Interface...and what hapened?? everybody uses it now...

just my 2 cents

Every menu-link to the separate preference apps still remain, they only link directly to a page in the new preferences app.
So you can still invoke a sub-part of the preferences the old way.