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I know this is a development build, but I'd love to see a review of this build on OSNews.... and the most recent snapshot of KDE, for that matter.
I think bleeding-edge Desktop Environment reviews give some readers here what they're looking for: a glimpse into the future of OSS world. Linux Distro reviews tend to be a lot of the same thing...
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You can see there some new features:
http://live.gnome.org/ReleasesNotes2p12Items
Most interesting things reading the list fo me:
- share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
- mozilla plugin for totem
- include evince (document viewer, to replace the really bugy gnome ps/pdf viewer)
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We (the gD developers) want to stay independent from GNOME. We're working on gDesklets to make it a common desktop applet system for the Linux desktop. In the past we have been talking with the adesklets team to work on a common ADL (= Applet Description Language).
Since gDesklets is not very easy to compile for some unexperienced people it's usually not really wise to ship gDesklets with GNOME. I also want to add, that our API is changing quite often. It'll still take some time until the API will become stable.
Cheers,
Christian
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> - share of bookmark using zeroconf (epiphany).
I don't see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
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I used for a while gtk+ 2.7.2 and pango 1.9.0 and there weren't visible regressions: my impression is that performance are at least equals to gtk+ 2.6, but I have to admit that I didn't try specific benchmarks (à la gtkperf).
I reverted because pango doesn't support dpi settings and I use 84 dpi instead of 96 dpi, but this will be fixed soon.
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The ubuntu documentation is pretty good
You want to follow
https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HoaryUpgradeNotes
HTH
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when osnews will provide a decent coverage for
kde owned by 70% of linux users ?
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11228&threshold=-5&limit=...
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> Remind me again how comments on the percieved number of
> people who use KDE on OpenSolaris has any relevance to
> a discussion of a development release of GNOME.
You see that the log below has GNOME.org as domain name ? Isn't it enough for a connection ?
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/calum/2005/07/18/0
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LOL Ali your C&Ping from a post 3 days ago. Can't come up with new FUD so you just have to recycle old posts?
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11239&threshold=-5&limit=no#5...
MODs why are your letting Ali get away with this.
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Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn't enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don't even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don't see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
+1 permanent ban on Ali
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Ali get a life! If your constant trolling wasn't enough, your now double posting to avoid being modded down.
You are such an incredible loser. If your so overcome with disgust with Gnome then don't even read the thread. Are you too stupid to even do that?!?! I hate KDE but you don't see me spewing garbage on KDE threads.
Yeah, I'm a KDE guy myself, but it's always interesting to read what happens in the GNOME camp. Trolls like the above are just plain stupid, they don't make anything better. I wish there was some kind of banning or filtering feature on OSNews that would automatically get rid of these.
Unfortunately there are similar trolls in most KDE related articles too, but that's another story.
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I'd have to agree. I'm firmly in the GNOME camp -- it just works the way I work and KDE doesn't.
This isn't a slight on KDE. People who choose KDE have similar reasons for choosing KDE over GNOME. Ditto for XFCE users, Windowmaker users, and EvilWM users.
That being said, I also take a peak over at the KDE camp. I choose GNOME because it works better for me, but if KDE started to become better for me, I'd switch. If a KDE app is better for me than a GNOME app, I'd use the KDE app.
If GNOME is better than KDE (or vice versa) for most people, it'll get more market share. This is free software. A choice isn't imposed on you, even if your distro chooses GNOME or KDE over the other. Trolling and trying to force people to force people into believing "the one true desktop" religion, is fundamentally against what free software stands for -- choice.
In the end, all trolls end up doing is releaving their own stress by passing it on to others in flame wars.
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> the KDE class libraries and examples are a brilliant testimony to reusable objects done right.
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Yes, there's excellent technology in KDE but that's no reason for spamming a thread about GNOME with copy'n'pasted stuff. That's obnoxious. Everyone already knows what you think of GNOME.
Why don't you head over to http://bugs.kde.org/ and find a bug or two to fix?
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You see, Ali knows that mods have a limited number of points. After they mod down his first volley of trolling and flamebait, he knows that he can send a second volley (identical to the first) with impunity, knowing that nobody has points to mod him down with.
Really, I see this as a way for Ali to continue to pollute his own reputation further. You just know that one day he'll claim that he was such a nice guy, and all he got was flames from the GNOME users and developers. Poor Ali! What did he do to deserve such harsh treatment?
Those that continue to bookmark topics that he continues to poison with his never-ending trolling and completely off-topic posts (all in an attempt to bash GNOME and worship KDE in all its greatness) will have plenty of ammo for that day.
Ali is quite prolific, but he just continues to solidify his reputation as a troll.
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How do we know it's him? Because of his ip address, and because of past posts by him. His command of English, although good for a someone using it as a second language, is noticably different from a native speaker's. He has a funny way of saying things, idioms especially.
Funny thing, he talks kind of like you.
Where do you get the idea that anybody is making 'dozens of fake accounts'? You act like there is some grand conspiracy to censor all posts by you... I mean, Ali. People moderate obvious flamebait and offtopic mudslinging appropriately. Why can't Ali praise KDE in a KDE thread instead of bringing KDE up in a GNOME thread without any reason other than to degrade GNOME? What is the motive?
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Thats changing in 2.12, the patch to make nautilus use the same bookmarks as gtk was integrated a while back in the 2.11 branch.
And the last I knew, you really didn't want your web bookmarks and your system bookmarks integrated (just like you don't really want to have your file manager as a web browser.
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So you don't think there is anything wrong with praising KDE and slamming GNOME in a GNOME thread?
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11228&offset=15&rows=21&t...
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11058&limit=no&threshold=...
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=11183&threshold=-5
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10712&limit=no&threshold=...
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10807&limit=no&threshold=...
You know what those topics have in common? They all are bashing GNOME in one way or another. The KDE vs GNOME flamewar is started by Ali in the last thread, and it sparks quite a blaze.
You know what else they have in common? No GNOME people praising GNOME and bashing KDE for no reason at all. Sure, you have your trolls, but they aren't nearly as tenacious as Ali is with his trolling. They are also modded down accordingly.
There is a lot of unrighteousness going on inside KDE. It's one of their main marketing thing to put KDE in the bright light by using unfair methods to pull GNOME in the dirt and to shut down renegades by trying to defamate them in the public.
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Could you be more specific and point exactly to those comments you believe are posted falsely ? What sounds like a Troll in your ears might sound like true facts in the ears of others. You've been posting a bunch of links above and I wasn't able to find any particular wrong comments inside them. So please be as specific as possible and don't post general whole threads with 30 and more replies inside it.
Please post exact comments, add some line of comments that describe what's wrong inside it based on your opinion, make sure that you know for sure. That is 100% that these comments are written by the person that you keep accusing.
And know, the stuff that you feel is written falsely needs to be set correctly by you as well. So in case anything is wrong, please also correct them.
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You misunderstand the meaning of the word troll.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=troll
Trolling doesn't have to do with something being fact or fiction, it has to do with baiting. You're purposely posting off-topic insults at GNOME to bait a conversation in which you can then valiantly defend KDE against the evil GNOMEs. It has become easy for me to predict when you will show up in a thread: When GNOME is mentioned. And I know what the conversation will be. It all degenerates down to you belittling GNOME, GNOME users and GNOME developers (of course, in your profound wisdom and experience with GNOME, you have every right to do so).
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First thing, just wanted to point out that both Anonymous (IP: 82.96.100.---) and Anonymous (IP: 84.129.221.---) both talk the same, and even have the curious habit of putting a space before and after a question mark, instead of just after.
Personally, I moded your post about bookmarks down because I could see a flamewar coming from a mile away. History tells me your comment wasn't meant to be a genuine question; you have an axe to grind and it permeates your every comment.
I'm not going to address the technical issues since they are not relevent to this conversation.
No, I said that the KDE threads all had people bashing GNOME, not that a flamewar ensued. A flamewar happens when two sides flame each other, but in the case of those links all but one had only one side flaming, the KDE folk.
You asked me to point out any false [technically based] arguments you made in those past threads, but that is irrelevant. Whether you are correct on a technical basis is none of my concern. I pointed out that 'trolling' has nothing to do with the fact or fiction of anything, which was your understanding until I showed you the definition of the word 'troll'.
You and your ego are why you have your reputation. Unfortunately, because you are so vastly superior in intellect and personal experience, you don't realize how wrong you are, and you find it obsurd that anybody would suggest that your arguments are incorrect or that your methods of promoting KDE are incorrect.
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Look, I spent some time reading the Troll definition page which link you provided to me.
And by the definition of it you are a Troll as well. Ok let's assume that I am a Troll then be it that way. At least I am a technical skilled one 
Thanks for the flowers and your demonstration about how wrong the GNOME community is by giving an perfect example of your own !
I am going to watch van Helsing on TV now. Flame with you in the upcoming GNOME and KDE Threads as usual !
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PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer, of course they are pathetic litle losers who just want more atention, so please ignore them, its the best way to succed.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
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PLease, just ignore the KDE trolls, there are no life losers who hang on a irc channel and talk about how to ruin GNOME threats in osnews.com, they use a channel in irc and make a plan of what to say and what to answer...............
Sorry, I thought that was the Gnome people because you get more than enough. First it's KDE's license (whatever that is), then it's the bloat, then it's the clutter. Given that the same things come up every single time, that sounds like forward planning to me ;-).
Besides, I think there's more enough of it to go around on all sides. And where is this kde-troll channel? I'm rather interested.
It is a shame that a KDE developer it is ammong them.
Who? If you're talking about who I think you're talking about then I think he did a pretty good job on setting the record straight on all of the trolling ;-).
The Gnome developers didn't help themselves either at GUADEC by claiming everything under the sun defaults to Gnome. The biggest steamer is the NLD. It defaults to nothing. You select a radio button for KDE or Gnome and that's what you get. Even in Gnome you get the kde-su stuff popping up, and in KDE the front-ends of iFolder are GTK. The NLD is totally desktop neutral (each desktop just provides you with a mode of operation really), despite the attempts of certain people to portray it otherwise. Hmmm. What does OES default to?
Back to the topic of this article:
I don't see anything else in GNOME that shares bookmarks with anything. Neither with Epiphany, Galeon, Nautilus, GThumb, <add custom GNOME app with own bookmark format here>. And why ZeroConf and not normal XBEL format, so you could have been able to share bookmarks with Konqueror or even Safari ?
I think that's a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can't go labelling everything you don't like as a troll.
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I think that's a pretty legitimate thing in the context of the subject of this article to be asking to be honest. You can't go labelling everything you don't like as a troll.
It would have been legitimate had any other person asked the question. Given Ali's track record, I knew that he was not asking the question in a genuine attempt to understand. He was more interested in starting a debate on GNOME's 'flawed architecture' and KDE's 'superior consistency'. You just have to read past posts from him for different articles to see why it was modded down so quickly.
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i found out that interesting stuff
http://www.viralata.net/gnome/promotion/Why_Choose_GNOME_A4.pdf
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RE: can I say one thing on the gnome vs ali flame war?
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