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if they'd just add the stupid tab handling that everyone has been asking for, like forever.
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Really? I prefer the tabs in Opera; one of the reasons I haven't switched to a browser that handles fonts properly in Linux. (That and the 2 mouse button back/forward/fast forward shortcut.)

It's probably just a case of what I'm used to though, what are the advantages of the other way?

AFAIK Opera had this tab handling since they introduced tabs (in v6?)...

I believe it was waaaaay before that. At least I remember that the last Opera for BeOS released was 3.62 and it already sported tabs at the time. However, this feature only became popular after Mozilla Seamonkey adopted it on its earlier (and buggy) incarnations...

Tks!

I was just trying to figure out where was BitTorrent in the final 8.02 changelog. =]

One mans blessing is another mans curse. I actually prefer the Opera way of doing tabs compared to Firefox.
Agreed.

Love or hate the way that they do things, you've really gotta respect the fact that they have a completely full featured browser including a fairly decent mail client that (windows-wise) comes packaged at 3.7megs. And even then, with a vanilla install it does pretty much everything that IE and Firefox can do faster and better (for the most part).

Of course, I can't say it wouldn't be nice to see either A) extension functionality added similar to Firefox or B) a set of developers at Opera dedicated to making some decent extensions per the communities request.

but that's just my fan-boy equipment.

--mendicant

Beats me... all I get is a login screen and I guess that works but there's no way for me to test it.

A quick look at the src leads me to believe its relying on the fact that in IE the name of an element and id are effectively synonymous.

The javascript is full of direct references to the form element by name or from the document object. If it was translated to use getElementById() or document.forms[] or whatever it would probably work fine.

Of course beyond that page could be all sorts of nonsense JS as well. Its just badly formed javascript that happens to work in IE. They could just rehash the functionality with the standard functions used by Dreamweaver to make it cross browser (might even work in navigator then)

The reason the form doesn't work as a default is because it uses that dodgy javascript to set the action attribute for the form. Meaning if the JS doesn't work (or is disabled) the form points back to the login page regardless of their client side data verification does.

You might also be able to make a get request (that contains the name, company and password) for the next page that works correctly.

However I'd send them a polite mail asking if they could fix it.

Another great way to remove those ads is to actually BUY their browser! That is, after all, how they're trying to make money.
For me buying Opera was the best $39 I ever spent on software.

dont see the point in buying it, if i can use another browser that is free and does the same.....

if i remmeber correctly they use to offer a "lite" version that didnt have ads or a lot of functionality and that would be perfect for me! i think it was opera that did this....

It buys you a good feeling You support a small company so they can improve the browser even more.

Uh you can change both. They're options now.

> Uh you can change both. They're options now.

OK - I am all ears. I have scoured the INI setup files, standard_menu.ini in particular, comparing the one for Opera 7 with the one that came with Opera 8, etc. and cannot figure it out.

So, e.g., how *does* one include the standard [minimize / restore / close] button set to the upper right hand side of a *page* (i.e., on the far right of the drop menu commands row). Thank you.

Go to Tools/Preferences, and uncheck "Show close button on each tab". As for your second question, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Great! - thanks a lot. I do not have the tabs bar showing (in order to maximize page view space) so the connection you pointed out just never occurred to me.

As for the second question - usually in Opera (I believe, anyway), to the left of the field where the URL is displayed or typed in (the address bar), is a row of small buttons, among them an indicator of the level of security of the current page and two toggle buttons: 1.) one where clicking on it enables one to cycle between show images / cached images only / no images, 2.) one where you can cycle between user mode and author mode.

With Opera 3 through 7 these buttons stayed visible while a page was loading, so if, e.g., a page was taking forever to load (I am on dial-up) I could turn images off or to cache-only in order to speed the download. Now, in Opera 8, the address bar - full of page-load stats during loading - expands and those buttons disappear. So to, e.g., stop new images from loading during a page load I have to use a keyboard shortcut or click on View/Images/whatever. I would like the old display behavior to return.

Again, any light anyone can throw on this will be appreciated.

Not sure if I understand correctly, but have you tried right clicking on the small icons and selecting customize? When doing that you get several choices regarding the progress bar. I use simple. Maybe that's what you are after?

> Not sure if I understand correctly, but have you tried right clicking on the small icons and selecting customize? When doing that you get several choices regarding the progress bar. I use simple. Maybe that's what you are after?

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> You can also right click in the address bar then select "Customize." Once there select "Tools" and look for "Progress Bar". Out to the right of that you can select how you wish to have progress information shown. You can change it from showing in the address bar to having it shown at the bottom of the browser, etc.

Yes - that did it (choosing the "Simple" option). Thank you very much! I figured I was ignorant of some configurability options. I was right.

> AFAIK... these buttons stay visible all the time if you click the eyeball looking icon found on the upper right hand corner of Opera.

I am afraid I have already messed around with my config enough that I cannot figure out what you are referring to here. Obviously not an issue given that the other suggestions got me what I wanted.

"With Opera 3 through 7 these buttons stayed visible while a page was loading, so if, e.g., a page was taking forever to load (I am on dial-up) I could turn images off or to cache-only in order to speed the download. Now, in Opera 8, the address bar - full of page-load stats during loading - expands and those buttons disappear. So to, e.g., stop new images from loading during a page load I have to use a keyboard shortcut or click on View/Images/whatever. I would like the old display behavior to return.

Again, any light anyone can throw on this will be appreciated."

AFAIK... these buttons stay visible all the time if you click the eyeball looking icon found on the upper right hand corner of Opera.

You can also right click in the address bar then select "Customize." Once there select "Tools" and look for "Progress Bar". Out to the right of that you can select how you wish to have progress information shown. You can change it from showing in the address bar to having it shown at the bottom of the browser, etc.