Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jul 2005 19:28 UTC
Opera Software Opera Software today released the second upgrade to Opera 8. The new version, Opera 8.02, is available for Windows, Linux and Macintosh and includes security upgrades and smaller bug fixes. Download & changelog.
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v Opera 8
by Varg Vikernes on Fri 29th Jul 2005 20:53 UTC
RE: Opera 8
by Anonymous on Fri 29th Jul 2005 23:44 UTC in reply to "Opera 8"
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if they'd just add the stupid tab handling that everyone has been asking for, like forever.
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Really? I prefer the tabs in Opera; one of the reasons I haven't switched to a browser that handles fonts properly in Linux. (That and the 2 mouse button back/forward/fast forward shortcut.)

It's probably just a case of what I'm used to though, what are the advantages of the other way?

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v RE[2]: Opera 8
by Varg Vikernes on Fri 29th Jul 2005 23:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Opera 8"
RE[3]: Opera 8
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 06:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Opera 8"
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AFAIK Opera had this tab handling since they introduced tabs (in v6?)...

I believe it was waaaaay before that. At least I remember that the last Opera for BeOS released was 3.62 and it already sported tabs at the time. However, this feature only became popular after Mozilla Seamonkey adopted it on its earlier (and buggy) incarnations...

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v Already
by Vonskippy on Fri 29th Jul 2005 21:27 UTC
again?
by Anonymous on Fri 29th Jul 2005 21:50 UTC
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It's actually great that they address the issues rather than ignoring them. However, it's ridiculous to assume people will cope with installing a new version every month or so. Heck, find a way to make it patcheable.

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Opera 8.10 Preview 2
by KugelKurt on Fri 29th Jul 2005 21:59 UTC
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RE: Opera 8.10 Preview 2
by JrezIN on Fri 29th Jul 2005 22:32 UTC in reply to "Opera 8.10 Preview 2"
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Tks!

I was just trying to figure out where was BitTorrent in the final 8.02 changelog. =]

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What about FreeBSD?
by Anonymous on Fri 29th Jul 2005 22:41 UTC
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Opera 8.02 is available for FreeBSD as well ;)

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Make it patchable
by Anonymous on Fri 29th Jul 2005 23:47 UTC
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<<Heck, find a way to make it patcheable.>>

Well, considering that at under 5mb, the complete Opera install is smaller than most people's patches ...

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Tabs
by Zenja on Sat 30th Jul 2005 00:44 UTC
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One mans blessing is another mans curse. I actually prefer the Opera way of doing tabs compared to Firefox.

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RE: Tabs
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 00:51 UTC in reply to "Tabs"
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One mans blessing is another mans curse. I actually prefer the Opera way of doing tabs compared to Firefox.
Agreed.

Love or hate the way that they do things, you've really gotta respect the fact that they have a completely full featured browser including a fairly decent mail client that (windows-wise) comes packaged at 3.7megs. And even then, with a vanilla install it does pretty much everything that IE and Firefox can do faster and better (for the most part).

Of course, I can't say it wouldn't be nice to see either A) extension functionality added similar to Firefox or B) a set of developers at Opera dedicated to making some decent extensions per the communities request.

but that's just my fan-boy equipment.

--mendicant

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Re: Tabs
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 00:56 UTC
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I actually prefer the Opera way of doing tabs compared to Firefox.

I agree. Why change a behavior that's been there from the start? I can probably see adding an option to change the behavior. But again, why? Just to follow some other browsers' behavior?

One can't even rearrange the tab ordering in Firefox.

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v RE: Re: Tabs
by Schrade on Sat 30th Jul 2005 01:50 UTC in reply to "Re: Tabs"
v RE: Re: Tabs
by Varg Vikernes on Sat 30th Jul 2005 02:07 UTC in reply to "Re: Tabs"
Man, I hate using IE
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 02:56 UTC
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Well Tried Opera for the first time.
It can't seem to work with the 1 page I need it to.
https://www.officemd.net/

Anyone have any Idea what makes this page only usable in IE under windows? Just curious if theres something I can do to get my Mac to work w/it.

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RE: Man, I hate using IE
by Schrade on Sat 30th Jul 2005 03:01 UTC in reply to "Man, I hate using IE"
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Beats me... all I get is a login screen and I guess that works but there's no way for me to test it.

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RE: Man, I hate using IE
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 14:55 UTC in reply to "Man, I hate using IE"
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A quick look at the src leads me to believe its relying on the fact that in IE the name of an element and id are effectively synonymous.

The javascript is full of direct references to the form element by name or from the document object. If it was translated to use getElementById() or document.forms[] or whatever it would probably work fine.

Of course beyond that page could be all sorts of nonsense JS as well. Its just badly formed javascript that happens to work in IE. They could just rehash the functionality with the standard functions used by Dreamweaver to make it cross browser (might even work in navigator then)

The reason the form doesn't work as a default is because it uses that dodgy javascript to set the action attribute for the form. Meaning if the JS doesn't work (or is disabled) the form points back to the login page regardless of their client side data verification does.

You might also be able to make a get request (that contains the name, company and password) for the next page that works correctly.

However I'd send them a polite mail asking if they could fix it.

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v yea
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 04:11 UTC
All those ads
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 13:35 UTC
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If you want to remove all those ads (side effect: also google ads from Opera itself...) just install a proxy. I work on WinXP and use extremely little but effective Proxomitron. Hadn't seen an ad for months, both in Firefox and Opera, as well as in IE. (and there is an advantage for FF: you do not need to use AdBlock, so one bloat less).

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RE: All those ads
by Anonymous on Sat 30th Jul 2005 18:52 UTC in reply to "All those ads"
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Another great way to remove those ads is to actually BUY their browser! That is, after all, how they're trying to make money.
For me buying Opera was the best $39 I ever spent on software.

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RE[2]: All those ads
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 14:21 UTC in reply to "RE: All those ads"
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dont see the point in buying it, if i can use another browser that is free and does the same.....

if i remmeber correctly they use to offer a "lite" version that didnt have ads or a lot of functionality and that would be perfect for me! i think it was opera that did this....

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what's the point in paying for a browser?
by bonjour on Sat 30th Jul 2005 15:56 UTC
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I just don't see why.... does it buy me anything over camino, firefox, mozilla, IE, safari, and a host of others?

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It buys you a good feeling ;) You support a small company so they can improve the browser even more.

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Basically all I can say is try it for a while and see if you experience the advantages fanboys such as myself do. Theorizing or explaining only go so far.

Now, I am about to download 8.02 and I hope, but doubt, that they have fixxed some truly idiotic user interface changes they made from 7.xx: 1.) Eliminating the little close-page "x" in the upper RHS, and 2.) Making the security/view images toggle/view style toggle/etc. icon bar - usually to the left of the address bar - disappear while a page is loading. These UI features have actually been standard since I started using Opera in 1997, and there is no discernable advantage to the change. It is little things like that that highlight the virtues of open source. (BTW, if my experience is some artifact of using Win98 SE, someone please tell me.)

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Uh you can change both. They're options now.

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> Uh you can change both. They're options now.

OK - I am all ears. I have scoured the INI setup files, standard_menu.ini in particular, comparing the one for Opera 7 with the one that came with Opera 8, etc. and cannot figure it out.

So, e.g., how *does* one include the standard [minimize / restore / close] button set to the upper right hand side of a *page* (i.e., on the far right of the drop menu commands row). Thank you.

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Go to Tools/Preferences, and uncheck "Show close button on each tab". As for your second question, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Great! - thanks a lot. I do not have the tabs bar showing (in order to maximize page view space) so the connection you pointed out just never occurred to me.

As for the second question - usually in Opera (I believe, anyway), to the left of the field where the URL is displayed or typed in (the address bar), is a row of small buttons, among them an indicator of the level of security of the current page and two toggle buttons: 1.) one where clicking on it enables one to cycle between show images / cached images only / no images, 2.) one where you can cycle between user mode and author mode.

With Opera 3 through 7 these buttons stayed visible while a page was loading, so if, e.g., a page was taking forever to load (I am on dial-up) I could turn images off or to cache-only in order to speed the download. Now, in Opera 8, the address bar - full of page-load stats during loading - expands and those buttons disappear. So to, e.g., stop new images from loading during a page load I have to use a keyboard shortcut or click on View/Images/whatever. I would like the old display behavior to return.

Again, any light anyone can throw on this will be appreciated.

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Not sure if I understand correctly, but have you tried right clicking on the small icons and selecting customize? When doing that you get several choices regarding the progress bar. I use simple. Maybe that's what you are after?

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> Not sure if I understand correctly, but have you tried right clicking on the small icons and selecting customize? When doing that you get several choices regarding the progress bar. I use simple. Maybe that's what you are after?

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> You can also right click in the address bar then select "Customize." Once there select "Tools" and look for "Progress Bar". Out to the right of that you can select how you wish to have progress information shown. You can change it from showing in the address bar to having it shown at the bottom of the browser, etc.

Yes - that did it (choosing the "Simple" option). Thank you very much! I figured I was ignorant of some configurability options. I was right.

> AFAIK... these buttons stay visible all the time if you click the eyeball looking icon found on the upper right hand corner of Opera.

I am afraid I have already messed around with my config enough that I cannot figure out what you are referring to here. Obviously not an issue given that the other suggestions got me what I wanted.

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"With Opera 3 through 7 these buttons stayed visible while a page was loading, so if, e.g., a page was taking forever to load (I am on dial-up) I could turn images off or to cache-only in order to speed the download. Now, in Opera 8, the address bar - full of page-load stats during loading - expands and those buttons disappear. So to, e.g., stop new images from loading during a page load I have to use a keyboard shortcut or click on View/Images/whatever. I would like the old display behavior to return.

Again, any light anyone can throw on this will be appreciated."

AFAIK... these buttons stay visible all the time if you click the eyeball looking icon found on the upper right hand corner of Opera.

You can also right click in the address bar then select "Customize." Once there select "Tools" and look for "Progress Bar". Out to the right of that you can select how you wish to have progress information shown. You can change it from showing in the address bar to having it shown at the bottom of the browser, etc.

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One more thing ...
by Anonymous on Wed 3rd Aug 2005 12:53 UTC
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Since we seem to have some knowledgeable Opera users here I will throw out this final (?) issue I have with Opera 8 behavior - this one started with Opera 7:

I load a page (usually a reload) with cached images only ... I find an image or two is missing (on a reload due to the page having been updated) ... I change to "Show images" and Opera proceeds to load the missing images (good) AND RELOAD ALL THE NON-MISSING IMAGES (bad).

This is obviously not helpful, given my intent. Is there some setting that causes Opera to just load JUST the missing images, a la Opera 3/4/5/6 behavior? Thanks again for the help given so far.

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I'll check into it...
by Anonymous on Wed 3rd Aug 2005 20:16 UTC
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I'm not certain if there is a way to get around what you are asking other than right clicking on the image or couple of images that are missing and select "Reload Image." Doing this is not ideal however it would keep you from having to download them all again, especially since you are on dial up. However I'll dig around when I have time and see what I can find out.

If this option cannot be found or set, you might consider emailing the good folks at Opera about it. I'm sure that option would be easy to add and they have always been very receptive to user suggestions. ;)

Regarding the eyeball looking icon I mentioned... it is one of Opera's default icons normally to the right of the search string. What it does is toggle the menu bar that shows "Find in page", "Voice", "Author mode", "Show images", and "Fit to window width" on and off.

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