Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 31st Jul 2005 11:41 UTC
3D News, GL, DirectX Both nVidia (also nForce) and Ati have released beta versions of their driver packages for Windows Vista, both client and server editions. ActiveWin also has a list of drivers included in Vista beta 1.
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ATI better than nVidia
by truckweb on Sun 31st Jul 2005 12:30 UTC
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nVidia drivers are just a quick fix to the LDDM problem. They are not complete drivers, no nVidia control pannel and no SLI support.

Right now, for Vista, ATI drivers are better and more complete.

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Support
by rabyte on Sun 31st Jul 2005 16:24 UTC
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2005-06-29

I wish they'd show the same enthusiastic support for Linux...

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RE: Support
by 1c3d0g on Sun 31st Jul 2005 16:49 UTC in reply to "Support"
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2005-07-06

Right on. At least nVidia's drivers are somewhat up to par with their Windoze drivers, but with ATI... ;)

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RE: Support
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 17:24 UTC in reply to "Support"
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Thatīs so true, especcially for ATI. Instead of releasing BETA drivers for BETA OSes, they should improve/work on Linux, BSD, ones...

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RE: Support
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 20:26 UTC in reply to "Support"
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NVidia does, ATi is getting there.

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RE: Support
by rm6990 on Sun 31st Jul 2005 22:25 UTC in reply to "Support"
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2005-07-04

I wish they'd show the same enthusiastic support for Linux...

Nvidia's Linux support rocks. On Ubuntu, I open Synaptic, install nvidia-glx (and nvidia-settings if I want to get the nvidia control panel) and then I change 2 lines in a config file and it is done. Works perfectly. I get just as good performance out of my GeForce FX 5200 on Linux as I do on Windows. America's Army and other such games work perfectly.

On SUSE, theoretically, it should be just as easy, but Novell screwed up the Nvidia install script so you have to do it manually with 9.3 (I'm not the only one who noticed this problem). But Novell is busy killing SCO for us so I'll forgive them :-P

I'm now running CentOS 4.1 (rebuild of RHEL4 Update 1) with the Nvidia drivers manually installed from www.nvidia.com and it still works just as good.

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nVidia is the new Microsoft
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 17:16 UTC
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I'm tired of their stupid proprietary hardware. All their arguments for not releasing the specs for their last gen cards are pure bullshit. And don't get me started on their nforce shit. I'm never doing business with them again until I can run FreeBSD without corrupting my kernel with their proprietary shit. Go ATI, their 9200 cards works perfectly fine on my AMD64 box, with 100% free software.

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by matthew_i on Sun 31st Jul 2005 17:19 UTC in reply to "nVidia is the new Microsoft"
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2005-07-14

Can you say extremist... I can understand wanting support for what you paid for, but everyone does not believe in open source. In the same way I respect your thoughts on the subject, I respect ATI and nVidia's views on the issue as well.

Maybe one day we would have to use proprietary drivers with our hardware, but now we do. Give it time.

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 20:27 UTC in reply to "nVidia is the new Microsoft"
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Umm dude, it takes alot of monopolizing to be dubbed "the new Microsoft".

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by Wrawrat on Sun 31st Jul 2005 23:42 UTC in reply to "nVidia is the new Microsoft"
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2005-06-30

Yeah, like ATI are releasing their specs. Unless you consider 9200s as last gen cards... Anyway, my experience with that open-source driver on my Mobility Radeon 9000 wasn't extraordinary.

Do they release specs for their Radeon Xpress chipsets?

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by omnivector on Mon 1st Aug 2005 15:16 UTC in reply to "nVidia is the new Microsoft"
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2005-07-07

linux driver support is fantastic. try that. freebsd is nice, but linux offers 99% of what freebsd does with better hardware support for large manufacturers like nvidia and ati

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NVidia driver
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 18:41 UTC
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The nvidia Linux driver is great, i've never had any system lockups. Maybe people should point the finger at distros i.e Fedora always breaking nvidia driver. Slackware is just solid and other distros should follow it.

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by gebner on Sun 31st Jul 2005 19:44 UTC
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2005-07-21

Amen to that. For exactly the same reasons, I've bought a Radeon 9250 too. It's the latest video card for which there are specs.

And it doesn't matter whether you "believe in open source" or not. It's about being dependent on a single vender.

We've had that problem with newer ATI cards on amd64, or on ppc; even those who were willing to run non-free software couldn't as ATI hadn't released any drivers and they were on ATI's mercy.

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RE[2]: Support
by lithium on Sun 31st Jul 2005 20:29 UTC
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2005-06-29

NVidia does very well, considering they don't earn much money doing so... But ATI will lack behind for years to come, even if they really turn into best-effort-mode

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Where is the 64bit Driver for nVidia cards?
by sLiCeR on Sun 31st Jul 2005 23:04 UTC
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2005-07-11

Where is the 64bit Driver for nVidia cards? Im on Vista x64 and see no fancy glass-effects on my FX5900XT

:(

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vista with a fx5200
by Anonymous on Sun 31st Jul 2005 23:43 UTC
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Using the default installed drives without ANY tweeking or tuning shows all the cool new effects.

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v 9200 series cards
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 11:24 UTC
RE: 9200 series cards
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 13:16 UTC in reply to "9200 series cards"
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It's got noting to do with Linux, people come into my shop and buy these cards as well for windows.

Not everyone needs a top spec card to play games, but I have a GeForceFX 5900Ultra and i plays both UT2004 and UT on Linux and it's much better than in Windows fps wise.

Another thing is that nvidia release the linux driver with updated support even before Windows on last release.

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RE: nVidia is the new Microsoft
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 13:53 UTC
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OMG are you a ATI zealot. First of all 9200 series is freaking old !!! When will ATI release specs for the 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, R400+,series of cards or the Radeon Xpress chipset ? Answer NEVER ! So shut it. ATI drivers as everyone knows are half-baked alpha drivers that usually do not work as intended and have broken features. At least I can install and use Nvidia drivers in Linux with very little problems and have them be useful.

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Put down the crack pipe. ATI drivers on windows and linux are tripe pieces of monkey coded turd. I've owned both ATI and Nvidia cards and Nvidia by far has the most stable drivers out on both platforms that work with the lastest versions of their hardware. Every single ATI driver released is either fixing something that was broken in the previous release or introducing a game stoping bug in the drivers in pc game software. Anyone in the know will verify that out side of 2d preformance ATI is a second class card compared to Nvidia's stable and reliable 3d preformance in game.

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2005-07-06

I've got an Nvidia nForce 4 motherboard which isn't supported even by Windows XP Service Pack 2 - yes, you have to download the drivers from nvidia.com (great, when the nForce 4 onboard ethernet isn't work! Linux dual-boot to the rescue - yep, Linux supports nForce 4 out of the box !).

Looking at that Vista Beta 1 list of drivers, I'm shocked to that *yet again* the nForce 4 still isn't supported "out-of-the-box" and you have to download the drivers from nvidia.com (chicken and egg part 2). Why is that the current and future versions of Windows don't support a common motherboard and yet Linux does?

Of course, I'm guessing that eventually (hopefully Beta 2), Vista will include built-in support for nForce 4 - and maybe we'll see something similar with an XP Service Pack 3, but at this exact moment in time, it's embarrassing for Microsoft and Nvidia that I have to use a rival OS to get the drivers for a popular motherboard...

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ATI beta drivers... meh
by aphistic on Mon 1st Aug 2005 18:17 UTC
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2005-07-07

The problem with the current beta drivers from ATI for Vista are that it's -only- the display drivers. If you're hoping to see any of the pretty glass effects or anything you'll have to wait. Sure, it does what it's promised (accelerate the desktop drawing in 2D mode) but at this point it's a letdown for me. (I have a Radeon 9800XT AGP, if your experiances differ from mine please let me know)

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