Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Aug 2005 15:13 UTC
Windows Along with the release of the new Windows Vista beta, developers are being treated to technologies to create applications for the new operating system. Microsoft last week gave developers access to the WinFX Runtime Components Beta 1 and the WinFX SDK. FlexBeta has a video of Vista beta 1.
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Minimizing effect
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 15:59 UTC
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I find the close and minimizing effect disturbing, first they look quite similar to me and then the minimizing effect doesn't show where the window goes unlike Apple's genie effect.

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v Three words
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 16:12 UTC
v Bonobo?
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 16:14 UTC
You're right
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 16:18 UTC
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Something doesn't look right about new windows zooming in like that. I want them to just appear. Zoom out when I'm minimizing them if you want, but when I click something to make a new window appear, that's user input that should have an instant response.

I can imagine that getting old really, really fast after a week of every new window zooming in at your face like that.

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Re: You're right
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 16:33 UTC
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The maximize effect is very fast (the effect is almost unnoticable), you can't get your mouse in place fast enough where you would have to wait for it.

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The eye candy is unimpressive...
by carbon-12 on Mon 1st Aug 2005 17:03 UTC
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compared to OSX and even Project looking glass which has been freely avaliable for a quite a while.

Try the LG3D webstart, all you need is Java5 and your good to go.

https://lg3d-webstart.dev.java.net/

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by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 17:06 UTC
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It might seem a minor thing to gripe about, but I do not like the new "accessibility" icon. Sure for anyone who knows how to read it's not a problem, but still, the old icon was way more obvious when you're in a hurry.

I need more sleep :-P

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Same ol', same ol'...
by Luposian on Mon 1st Aug 2005 17:32 UTC
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Slightly different color scheme and effects, but ultimately, it's still the same XP-look. Compared to MacOS X, it's totally unimaginative (overdressed 89SE/Me). Now, what is it they're supposedly going to be "copying" from MacOS X (remember the whole "Redmond, start your copiers." banner thing at the Tiger Premiere)? I don't really see a single thing! Nothing about Vista even remotely looks like MacOS X, to me.

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RE: Same ol', same ol'...
by Luposian on Mon 1st Aug 2005 17:35 UTC in reply to "Same ol', same ol'..."
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Oops, I meant 98SE, not 89SE... I think whatever "89SE" *might* have been was in whatever version of MS-DOS there was, at the time! :-)

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RE: Same ol', same ol'...
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 18:25 UTC in reply to "Same ol', same ol'..."
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Look at the 'back' and 'forward' buttons in Windows Explorer.... they're exactly like the 'open' / 'close' / 'minimize' widgets in OS X windows, with an arrow. Some note the placement of the search interface... not nearly as good IMHO... For that matter, the whole 'glassy' / 'aquaish' treatment can be found everywhere in Vista... Of all the infinite possibilities for texture, why did they choose to ape Aqua? Can they think of nothing on their own? Have you seen RSS in IE 7? Way too similar to Safari RSS.... what about their search results page? Their lame-ass version of the 'genie effect' is yet another example - and like the 'recycle bin' before it, not nearly as effective (before you ask - "Recycle Bin"???? what, do your files get recycled? Personally I prefer mine "Trash"ed) Again, yes, I know this is Beta1, final look and feel are a ways off... it's my opinion that they'll only copy more. To me, it's just totally annoying...

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Recording
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 17:35 UTC
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This video was difficult to see. This tool is better for producing such recordings:

http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/

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Re: "Developers Get New Tools for Vista"
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 18:33 UTC
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"Developers Get New Tools for Vista"

My suggested tool list:

1 Trashcan

All that's required is to drop Vista into the trashcan and move on. ;)

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OS X copied
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 19:21 UTC
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"Now, what is it they're supposedly going to be "copying" from MacOS X (remember the whole "Redmond, start your copiers." banner thing at the Tiger Premiere)? I don't really see a single thing! Nothing about Vista even remotely looks like MacOS X, to me."

Hardware accelerated windowing (OS X 10.2)
Integrated desktop search (OS X 10.4)
Virtual folders (Smart Folders from OS X 10.4)
Real-time search fields (iTunes and OS X 10.4)
Variable-sized icon grid (OS X 10.0)
Integrated RSS (looks very much like Safari's RSS page)
Combined stop/refresh button (Safari, Opera)

I could think of many more.

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Sidebar
by Al2001 on Mon 1st Aug 2005 20:37 UTC
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Did they ditch the sidebar idea? I hope so....

OS X

They didn't copy the widgets, thank heavens for small mercy's.

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Is it just me?
by thavith_osn on Mon 1st Aug 2005 20:51 UTC
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Or did other people find the video boring... Lets open a window, lets close it, or wait for it, minimize it...

I know we need to see that, but lets see some other stuff too, like some apps running up, IE running & rendering and so on...

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backdoors
by Anonymous on Mon 1st Aug 2005 23:05 UTC
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Does the nsa key look as pretty as the desktop? ;)

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heres some more clips of vista beta 1
by anyweb on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 09:42 UTC
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5 in all, right here

http://video.linux-noob.com/

all show pretty much bits of the same thing, i was experimenting with screencapturing software when i did this so please send your complaints to /dev/null.


Big.avi Lh5112 (beta 1). 77.69MB (1.12 minutes viewing).
Showing tabs in IE7, winver, cmd prompt, alt_tab, media player, power management options.

Large.avi Lh5112 (beta 1). 52.56MB (0.59 minutes viewing).
Showing Explorer copying a local file in real time, start menu and games folder.

Small.avi Lh5112 (beta 1). 12.01MB (0.59 minutes viewing).
Showing tabs in IE7, refreshing a website in IE7, cmd prompt, etc.

Tabs.avi Lh5112 (beta 1). 17.93MB (0.19 minutes viewing).
Showing IE7 starting, creating a new tab.

Winver.avi Lh5112 (beta 1). 23.17MB (0.18 minutes viewing).
Showing winver.

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Designing UI's for WinFX and Vista
by Anonymous on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 18:15 UTC
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You may want to try out this XAML Designer for WinFX for building new UI's. The company name is Mobiform and the free beta software is Aurora. It also integrates into Visual Studio. Here is the link:
http://www.mobiform.com/Eng/aurora.html

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