This could be completely faked, but engadget has a screenshot of OSX x68 running on the x86 virtual machine VMWare. It's an interesting feat if its true, but it also has other implications. Since VMWare obviously does not implement any of the various DRM schemes, this would poke holes in the assertion that Apple is using Trusted Computing in its developer boxes.
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The big question is, they *will* use DRM in the final costumer MacIntel?
IIRC, these developer boxes are only avilable for "rent", they're not owned by these developers. In the end, these boxes may not be so close to the final version of MacIntel.
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Besides that, nice to see OSX_x86 running on wmware! =]
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You're right about that being the big question. Remember, though, that this whole brouhaha started when someone claimed that Apple was including DRM on their x86 *developer boxes*. If that claim is discredited, there's no evidence to suggest that Apple is considering Trusted Computing at all.
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I'm not, really, the one who could confirm that... I DO remember some posts about DRM and MacIntel, but it spreaded so fast that I can't remember the (real) original news source... The others are always interpreting, adding, subtracting... well, changing the information somehow... It's so easy someone anything post about possible DRMed MacIntels and someone else post how it has "discovered" that the developer boxes has DRM from a "misterious" news source... =]
...These days you can't really trust (cof) everything you read in internet... :rolleyes:
...But in the end... what really matters is, "OSX_x86 running on VMWare's nice". =] (well... if it's not a fake... =[ )
Bonus about the subject:(Eugenia pointed the story, the fist comment is really nice!)
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/01/0421248&tid=179&t...
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I have the AVI that is floating around that these screenshots were taken from.
I found the AVI at this forum
http://osx86.classicbeta.com/forum/index.php
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Direct link to the video:
http://www.glop.org/blog/2005/08/macos-x-tiger-tourne-sur-x86.html
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I didn't expect them to go all out with their "Apple hardware only" techniques, whatever they will be, on these early dev macs. In fact, just the fact that these are special developer versions of OS X is probably enough, as they can simply add logic too their software and updates in the future that prevent it from installing on these early dev versions, making them pretty useless.
You can BET that the consumer release will not run in a VM this easily.
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If OS X x86 doesn't require Apple hardware that would be interesting. I know a lot of mac fans think their hardware is higher quality, but I'm not of the same disposition.
I'd love to be able to run Mac OS X on the computers I already have rather than having to wait to get a Mac mini much further down the road. Really I would just be running OS X to see what it's like because I'm curious, even just being able to run it in a fast VM would be good enough for me.
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I think that almost everybody will agree that Apple will do everything within it's powers to make sure OSX will only run on Apple boxes.So somehow they have to make sure that will happen in most instances.
None the less it's awsome to have OSX running on vmware.Especially with fast hardware and enough memory and potent vmware guest drivers. However how much will vmware workstation cost in that scenario?
Interesting nonetheless.
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"None the less it's awsome to have OSX running on vmware.Especially with fast hardware and enough memory and potent vmware guest drivers. However how much will vmware workstation cost in that scenario?"
Well assume that all these people "trying it out" will pirate VMWare just like they'll pirate OS-X. It's all free!!
I mean, some people are so hell-bent on NOT buying hardware that doesn't exist yet, I really doubt that they'll be paying for the OS to run it on their Alienware machine.
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You also don't need to have SSE3 for the phenix build. Blex0r has already built a patch to fix the iso right from the go... it's called sse3patcher.exe and is NOT indexed by google yet. If you've been keeping up with th research pages for osx86 you should find the link in the forums...
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Could you provide a link to back up your claim of no TPM usage by the dev kits ? According to this -
http://www.osx86.classicbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
- "Breaking News" - they do ...
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Well it's not because the OSX x86 should only run on Apple hardware that it's impossible to make it run on commodity hardware. I suppose crackers made a crack for the installation DVD or something like that. Windows XP should only be activated using an activation code provided by Microsoft, however everybody know that crackers found a solution 
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I want vmware running on OS X not OS X running on vmware. I switched from the Mac to Windows becuase of marketplace requirements.. and plan to swtich back when OS X Intel based boxes ship.. my current plan is to run OS X and Windows each on different drives (using drive bays) and network based storage.
I would rather have vmware running on OS X so that I could run XP or Vista in vmware for the Windows based apps I need to run.
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Has anyone considered the possibility that this is some smart guy who is making smart use of his transition kit? I don't know how flexible VMWare is, but shouldn't you be able to tell VMWare to use *some* hardware direclty from the host PC, instead of letting VMw emulating it? And that via trial and error, he was able to activate the DRM chip in the trans. kit?
I no fcuk-all about emulation, so I have no idea if this makes any sense.
Another possibility is some kid having a go at hacking PearPC code.
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That is not true. TCPA is not a "dongle" as the encryption/decryption is done on the chip and no keys ever leave the chip.
There may be ways around it but that will mostly likely be fixing the code to not use TCPA.
With product activation combined with TCPA it makes it more and more difficult to find "fair use" solutions.
As Apple is already doing product activation, it is not hard to imagine a shipping Mac using TCPA + product activation.
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i think apple will have the best and greatest of what intel has to offer and that being the case... it would not be detremental to apple if a few rogue coppies are installed and running on non apple hardware, however, with the current state of CPU's.. (and this could change by the time apple introduces it's first x86 for sale) it could be a very bad thing if people start running osx on high end opteron's
think about it.. somebody needs a hardcore apple workstation and instead of buying apples hardware, they build a smokin fast opteron 275 system and install a pirated copy of osx... this would make apple look really bad since this would no doubt outpreform intels offerings by a substantial margin, at least in certain tasks.
I very highly doubt apple will make it possable to install osx on non apple hardware for this reason.
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Isn't it possible to modify the hardware information in the system profiler? I watched the video and that could easily be PearPC or native OSX. I remember with PearPC people were making the hardware profiler say they had a 300ghz cpu and what not. It could be just as easy to fake that. As for the image, probably photoshop.
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Nah, it's definitely not a fake, they've been working for more than a month now. I'm not surprised they can finally boot to the Desktop.
And yeah, there is a TPMA chip on the Mactel motherboard. I have heard that Rosetta uses it, I have no idea. If you install Windows on the machine it will ask for drivers for the chip.
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Could you provide a link to back up your claim of no TPM usage by the dev kits ?
Maybe I am mis-reading everything. Even the link you gave tells me the TPM chip is there, but I can't tell if DRM is actually being used. If the current OSX86 is not using the chip, then it would not be surprising that it could boot in VMWare. But, even if the dev version is not "locked" to the hardware, it seems obvious to me that Apple will tie the shipping version to Apple-specific hardware.
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