Linked by Adam S on Tue 9th Aug 2005 15:15 UTC
Windows At this week's LinuxWorld conference, Microsoft officials are slated to talk up the Services for Unix features that the company is integrating into the Windows Server 2003 R2.
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What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 15:38 UTC
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You could just install a real Unix system and avoid the proprietary Microseft XP system. A good admin doesn't need a silly GUI and Microseft relies on proprietary protocols that are neither standard nor compatible with Unix.

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RE: What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 15:59 UTC in reply to "What's the point?"
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why would this be a -2,, he speaks the truth.

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RE: What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:36 UTC in reply to "What's the point?"
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This is a fact, poster should be modded up.

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Lol
by speel on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:18 UTC
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someone is going to throw a keyboard at them soon as they step up on stage

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telnet?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:21 UTC
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Why a telnet server? SSH would be infinitely more useful.

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RE:RE: What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:48 UTC
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Yes, that post SHOULD be modded up but apparently there are not enough people here who are able to face the truth. It is sad how many fanatic pro M$ posts there have been lately.

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RE[2]:RE: What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:51 UTC in reply to "RE:RE: What's the point?"
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so anyone who doesn't rate up a fanatic pro unix poster is a fanatic ms user?
get a life. there are some of us non fanatics left, sorry about that.

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Moderation, plus back on-topic...
by markjensen on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:55 UTC
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There exists now a contest to mod the original post either up or down, based on personal feelings toward Microsoft's business practices? Comments like that one are off-topic, and just asking for flames. It also complains about "Proprietary Microsoft", yet fails to recognize the proprietary Unix which it touts so highly.

As for Microsoft's SFU, I use it on the Windows machine I use here at work. I don't have Unix or Linux, and this is a nice tool to help me feel at home and work in a powerful command environment and do some simple scripts. It is a tool to use when reformatting and installing Linux.

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Errr.. Edit to my last sentence:
<blockquote>It is a tool to use when reformatting and installing Linux doesn't make sense.</blockquote>
Sorry for submitting before completion of thought. ;)

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v @Anonymous (IP: 83.169.168.---)
by NemesisBLK on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:58 UTC
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I see no facts in the original post. Only misguided opinion.

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v Same again
by CrazyDude0 on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:58 UTC
Kids
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 16:58 UTC
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These are just kids... They probably don't even know what SFU really is. Go back to playing Doom.

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The funny part..
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 17:07 UTC
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..about ABM shills bashing SFU is the fact that it won top product awards at LINUXWORLD.

HELLO!

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RE: What's the point?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 17:09 UTC
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I bet most real admins would point their finger and laugh at a silly comment like that.

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nice
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 17:14 UTC
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SFU provides a POSIX subsystem, which is a *native* extension of the OS itself, just like win32 is, and *not* an slow emulator like cygwin.

It comes with a bunch of GNU utils and a build environment based on BSD.

I used it extensively while learning POSIX API, since all linux dev tools look like crap, and none can compare to Ultraedit-32 & Visual Studio ;)

Basically any POSIX-compatible app can be built from sources....see what these guys offer:

http://www.interopsystems.com/tools/warehouse.htm

POSIX environment subsystem was removed since winXP, in order to reduce attack surface, although some shitty version is present in win2k.

SFU is really a great product, and i think it should be more marketed. cygwin is much more popular, but is just a plain shitty emulator.

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RE: nice
by Anonymous on Wed 10th Aug 2005 03:46 UTC in reply to "nice"
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SFU provides a POSIX subsystem, which is a *native* extension of the OS itself, just like win32 is, and *not* an slow emulator like cygwin.

Cygwin is an emulator? Do tell. That's news to me. I'm all ears.

Go ahead...evidence if you've got it. Please keep idle speculation to yourself and use standard definitions not the ones that come out of lower orifices/body cavities.

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Let's see...
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 17:25 UTC
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OS that runs on one kind of equipment, based on a desktop OS not designed *around* multiple user environments and security. Requires add-on patch to interact peacefully with UNIX. Expensive. Outnumbered 8-1 by competition, yet the most hacked server OS out there.

OS with 30 years experience managing multiple users, security and server work, built to open standards. Ported to multiple platforms. Available in commercial and open source versions. Highly scalable.

Clone of above OS, reconfigurable for virtually any purpose, suited to similar tasks, also highly scalable. Ported to every platform with a MMU, and some that don't. Available in commercial and free distributions, with comparable technical support for commercial distros.

Assume I'm a new business with zero prior lock-in on any platform (and managing my finances/email with a desktop box running Windows/Office doesn't count). What, exactly, does Microsoft have to offer me? A preconfigured, loaded Dell server costs the same as an equally configured XServe. My company could test the waters with a Linux box, and if it doesn't scale efficiently, the transition to a FreeBSD box doesn't represent a loss on investment or radical change in infrastructure.

MS makes good Office software. I like it, I use it. They beat WordPerfect fair and square. The rest of their software speaks for itself.

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It is what their customers ask for
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:04 UTC
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Is it that hard to understand that?

Does it mean these customers will move their apps from UNIX to Windows Server? No. It means these customers get it easier with an environment that consist of both UNIX and Windows Server.

Why don't they run only UNIX instead?
Because UNIX doesn't do everything that they want to get out of the total. You use what you consider best for the tasks at hand.

Why not run only Windows then?
Pretty much same reason, but here also comes the question of critical applications that would take way too much time and resources to port to Windows even if possible.

And finally... Why not move everything to Linux!?
Uh... if they could move everything to Linux, they would more likely stick to their UNIX and move everything there instead.

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Given...
by Milo_Hoffman on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:06 UTC
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Been saying it since 1995 when NT was released.

"given enough time and money, microsoft will eventually invent Unix." ("and call it innovation" - modern add-on)

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v RE: Given...
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 19:24 UTC in reply to "Given..."
v Dell servers
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:14 UTC