Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Aug 2005 10:06 UTC, submitted by kenny
Zeta "Fans of BeOS still mourn its untimely demise all these years after the release of R5 and subsequent sale of its assets to Palm. Now ZETA, a successor to BeOS, has been released. Naturally, we had to review it."
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Moving tabs
by IceCubed on Thu 11th Aug 2005 10:25 UTC
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I realy liked those Moving tabs, Yt 1.0 (aka Dan0) doesn't support those... this is 1 more reason why i won't even try it.

And what's the matter with that "Preference" app? Where is the BeOS simplicity?

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Ummmm
by michaelveale on Thu 11th Aug 2005 10:32 UTC
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A rather good review, too bad about the poor quality screenshots thought that was explained in the review.

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To bad...
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 10:49 UTC
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...Zeta didn’t put more work into the theme engine. Looks like they only implemented half of what’s needed. The buttons don’t change much (they appear to only change in color and size, but not in form) the window decorator changes and the scroll bars. The rest stays the same. That makes the “themes” look ugly.

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v Exile All Islamists from the UK
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:02 UTC
v Exile All Islamists from the UK [Redux]
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:27 UTC
v Exile All Islamists from the UK [Redux 2]
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:27 UTC
v BeOS rocked
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:46 UTC
v RE: BeOS rocked
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 12:09 UTC in reply to "BeOS rocked"
v RE[2]: BeOS rocked
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 13:24 UTC in reply to "RE: BeOS rocked"
BeIDE
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:55 UTC
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Is the BeIDE the same?, I presume it must be, I left R5 because I couldn't effectively debug my code.

Did any IDE substitutes come along?

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RE: BeIDE
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC in reply to "BeIDE"
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I'm currently working on a new IDE for the Haiku/BeOS/Zeta platform, but I'm not done yet. It will be commercial and sold separately by me. You can find details here: http://s93114613.onlinehome.us/

AFAIK, the only IDE (as opposed to GUI editor) that's really distributed with Zeta is the old BeIDE, and it is likely exactly the same one as shipped with older versions of BeOS, because Be didn't write a lot of the code.

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Can't activate
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 11:58 UTC
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It looks nice but slipping in a new kernel before release killed it compatibility with a lot of hardware and not just old stuff newer systems as well. I can't speak for anyone else but I can't activate mine so I get nag screens every few minutes. I have posted in the forums over there but have recieved no responses yet.

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RE: Can't activate
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 15:30 UTC in reply to "Can't activate"
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I had the same problem until I entered a letter for what I was reading as a one in the nactivation code ... worked after that. tale a closer look at the activation code. The font that was used could have been clearer on the card.

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How much for BeOS?
by TheRaven on Thu 11th Aug 2005 12:05 UTC
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PalmSource has no plans to develop BeOS as a desktop OS. How much would they want to sell the rights for? I would be willing to pay £200 for BeOS R5 to be released under a BSD license. How many other people would? Would it be possible to raise enough to make this worthwhile for PlamSource? Would other companies be willing to put money into the pot to be able to use BeOS code in their products?

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RE: How much for BeOS?
by dekernel on Thu 11th Aug 2005 14:08 UTC in reply to "How much for BeOS?"
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As it has been stated several times, there is no way that the code could be opened up. There is too much licensed closed-source code.

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RE: How much for BeOS?
by charlieg on Thu 11th Aug 2005 15:28 UTC in reply to "How much for BeOS?"
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To be honest I think you're better off donating the cash to the Haiku project. They're picking up pace and if the developers could afford to take time off work and focus full-time on hacking up Haiku, they could probably have a runnable LiveCD out by the end of the year.

Haiku is the way forward as it's also developed with the future in mind.

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Bundled software
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 12:21 UTC
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Ok, all other cons aside... one big, totally unneccessary minus in Yeta 1.0 is tons of all kinds of 3rd party apps. Not only are many of those of poor quality and take up space, they are also totally beside the point.


And it is not just silly games, but other SW too. For instance, I've got nothing against Beam E-mail Client, but default install should just set up live mail queries, as this is kind of uniqe and very clean concept-wise.

The point here is that the default install should showcase typical OS usage and its technology - leave costumisation to the users, they know best!

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I remember there were some movements to buy the BeOS source some years ago.
But after the Haiku progress in last years it is not actual any more I think.

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v Re: BeOS rocked
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 12:23 UTC
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>>>I remember there were some movements to buy the BeOS source some years ago.

"Movements" meant paypal donations totalling a few hundred dollars ----- vs. 11 million dollars price tag paid by Palm.

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arstechnica rendering in BeZilla
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 12:31 UTC
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I'm wondering what happens if i try to look at ArsTechnica pages in BeOS Mozilla browser - left side of text is invisible/outside browser window.
That started after ArsTechnica site redisign quite long ago.
Anyone else with that problem?

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v wha?
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 13:16 UTC
soo...
by tastytaste on Thu 11th Aug 2005 13:16 UTC
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Does anyone know where you could still get a legal copy of the R5 Personal Edition? I'd love to try it out on my older PC hardware.

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RE: soo...
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 13:31 UTC in reply to "soo..."
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you can get it here: http://www.bebits.com/app/2680

but it is said not to be working with more than 768MB ram installed. there is also something called beos max wich should support up to 1Gig of ram, which is basically a hacked version of beos 5 personal edition.
the last time i tried it, it was a little painfull to get working right on modern hardware.

but from what i have heard, zeta is still very buggy itself.

keep in mind that all of this is second hand knowledge. since i never got all that enthusiastic with beos it is been quit a while since i tried it.

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RE[2]: soo...
by tastytaste on Thu 11th Aug 2005 14:24 UTC in reply to "RE: soo..."
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thanks!

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v EUGENIA
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 13:52 UTC
ram
by vasper on Thu 11th Aug 2005 14:07 UTC
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Zeta 1.0 supports up to 2Gb of memory and works on all memory configurations above that.

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v ah, kernel!
by jamesrdorn on Thu 11th Aug 2005 14:13 UTC
bootman
by evert on Thu 11th Aug 2005 14:20 UTC
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Ars didn't like the beos boot manager screen (bootman) but actually I rreally liked it. I still use it to select which OS I want to start on boot, while I already removed the beos partition.

Is there a way to run beos executables in linux?

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Re: Moving tabs
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 15:30 UTC
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So, you won't buy Zeta just because it doesn't have sliding tabs. OK, but i was wondering which OS you will use. Do you only BeOS R5? Is there another OS with that feature?

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RE: Re: Moving tabs
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 19:23 UTC in reply to "Re: Moving tabs"
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Ditto. not buying because of lack of features. That, and YT sucks.

R5 still works perfectly fine for me. I have no problems with it. The drivers coming from Haiku mitigate the hardware support problem.

YT is not the future of BeOS, it's the past - and it's a dead-end.

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video in vmware
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 15:44 UTC
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reviewer should install the vesa accepted driver off bebits for decent video support under vmware.

http://bebits.com/app/1105

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"no other company took up Be on their offer"
by MYOB on Thu 11th Aug 2005 15:52 UTC
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Damn, I must have been hallucinating about AST as well as all the other minor vendors then.

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Some documentation issues...
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 17:55 UTC
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It's a pity that documentation is impossible to use consistently, and that things are perhaps not fully documented. For example, he mentions he needed VMWare to take screen shots. Well, that's simply not true! If you press the Print Screen button (memory is hazy on whether it needs a modifier: I just do it) it will dump a copy of the screenshot to a file. yT would be much better able to convince people of the value of things if they had it properly documented, it seems. Of course, having not read what's distributed with Zeta myself as of yet (note: I know from posts on the yT forums that my older SMP P3 system with SCSI will not work with Zeta R1, because they screwed up both SCSI and SMP support in various ways) it may also be that the reviewer didn't bother actually reading what documentation was distributed with the system. After all, let's be fair: if you were to review a linux distro coming previously from an all-Windows experience, imagine how many things you'd be flummoxed by, if you chose to presume to go and do things without even thinking about reading all the "read me first!" type of documents!

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RE: Some documentation issues...
by BrianH on Thu 11th Aug 2005 18:03 UTC in reply to "Some documentation issues..."
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He needed VMware to take screen shots of the install process, something you can't do with native print-screen. And if you read the article, you may notice that the "read me first" document was in German on his English install, and that some of the other documentation was missing. Clearly he at least attempted to read the docs.

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sliding tabs
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 20:29 UTC
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It'll be sorely missed by myself too.

I'd be much happier if YT added useful things, not removing them and adding stupid themes.

A nicety would be automagic tab arrangement, if you open eg a new netpositive window it will be displayed under and a bit more to the right of your parent window. Why do that if you have sliding tabs? You can just as well let the tab slide to the other side of the window and just have it fullscreen, or do that only when you click the resize buttons on the tabs.

Why didn't they do that?

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RE: sliding tabs
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 02:01 UTC in reply to "sliding tabs"
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It's not yT removed sliding tabs. It's Be inc. Zeta is based on so called BeOS Dano - BeOS 6 alfa or maybe beta. Whatever.

I happily booting to Dano with some Haiku inside ;) . It's nice, quite stable, clean and done in Be way. But I do not have updated kernel, CUPS, ugly preference panel and so on.

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Tracker?
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 21:11 UTC
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The reviewer seemingly didn't get the concept of "Tracker" and "Deskbar". I wonder if it's really that hard to understand, as Deskbar is a fairly obvious name.

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Has anyone got ndis working
by anand78 on Thu 11th Aug 2005 22:10 UTC
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Has anyone managed to get the ndiswrapper working.

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RE: Has anyone got ndis working
by Zenja on Thu 11th Aug 2005 22:34 UTC in reply to "Has anyone got ndis working"
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Yes, I'm using NDIS wrapper.

Read the forums at yellowtab for detailed HowTo's.

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re: sliding tabs
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 01:55 UTC
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Just a correction: yT didn't remove that feature. Be Inc. rewrote the app_server, so the sliding tabs were already like that when Dano showed up.

I think you had a great idea. Maybe yT didn't do that yet because they didn't think about that. ;) Please, post that in their forum. Something like Mac OS' Exposé would be great too.

But maybe yT didn't have the time, or that feature may have a lower priority in their timetable.

See ya,
Franx

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