Linked by David Adams on Fri 12th Aug 2005 03:04 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes As part of our OSNews v3 project, we have a framework in place that would allow registered users to not only comment on existing stories and suggest stories for OSNews editors, but also post their own thoughts on their own personal pages and allow others to comment on them. Read more to learn about some ideas we've had, and to give your feedback and suggestions. Most of all, we'd like to know whether this is functionality you'd be interested in using.
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Might Reg for this
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 03:42 UTC
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I have been a fan of OSNews for quite sometime; in the process submitting over 50 articles under different names. Now you have actually given an incentive to register with the site.

Sounds interesting; you could get a lot more subscribers.

Good work.

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I like it
by Ethyriel on Fri 12th Aug 2005 03:44 UTC
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I've never used your forum, but I would probably use this. Of course I haven't had time to take part in comment discussion in some time, but I think I would use this.

On top of all this, how about allowing blog post voting, and when a post passes a certain threshold it's subject is concatenated onto the main page. Take a look at www.arstechnica.com with the journals to see what I'm talking about, though the backend would be very much different.

Oh, the one problem with this replacing the forum is that it doesn't really leave a channel to ask for help. I don't know if the current forum is used much for this, but that's one of the big strengths of forums, in my estimation. Maybe a simple phpbb help forum would still be in order. It wouldn't take all that much oversight if you promote responsible and high posters to mods often enough. Look at linuxforums.org, they do it well.

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RE: I like it
by Roguelazer on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:00 UTC in reply to "I like it"
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Cool thoughts... I think the original idea is good, but this is even better.

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RE: I like it
by David on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:12 UTC in reply to "I like it"
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As for asking for help, we could have an "asking for help" topic, I suppose.

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Hm
by sappyvcv on Fri 12th Aug 2005 03:49 UTC
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Looking more and more like /.

I'm not saying that to be insulting though.

I personally couldn't care for that feature. I don't think you'll find many people hoping for it either.

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Can we have a thread view already?
by QuantumG on Fri 12th Aug 2005 03:58 UTC
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That's what we all want.

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sean batten Member since:
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I agree, this would be really useful. Having to scroll down through a browser window trying to find the follow-up reply is a bit of a pain.

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Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree, this would be really useful. Having to scroll down through a browser window trying to find the follow-up reply is a bit of a pain.

Click the "x Replies" link at the bottom of a comment to see all replies.

Also thread-view is in the codebase, it was discussed and demoed when v3 was in beta. I'm glad it's turned off though.

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sean batten Member since:
2005-07-06

The problem with that is that it only gives you the replies to the specifi post, it doesn't chain down as a threaded view would do...

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Great Idea
by joelito_pr on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:03 UTC
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Need To say More? ;)

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Maybe
by ma_d on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:06 UTC
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It seems like this is another move towards slashdot...
Not that having similar features would be bad, just that being like slashdot would be bad..

I've already got a blog, so I'm not sure I'd be interested. Never much liked blogs with a lot of entries anyway; always preferred a small number of good entries.

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RE...
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:11 UTC
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"So my questions to you, dear readers, are: would you use this?"

Yes I would. I'd talk about my fav OS(es), mainly Kanotix, and I'd complain because no anonymous posting nor profanities/flamebaiting from registered users should be allowed.

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Whatever voting system there is, it should have auditing this time around.

And users should have to identify who they work for so there is less bias and less comment warfare.

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Mail notification
by kmarius on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:25 UTC
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"Most of all, we'd like to know whether this is functionality you'd be interested in using"

I doubt I'll use it, but I still have a suggestion. If you are going to implement comments, you should add an option that notifies the article "owner" about new comments. Preferably a choice between getting an email per comment or a mail at user defined intervals.

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Go for it
by Daniel Borgmann on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:29 UTC
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If the rating thingy would be implemented, I'd certainly use it occasionally. Otherwise I'm sure there would be just too many postings for any interesting discussion to happen on a single one. It would also add value to the website if interesting journal entries would appear on it.

In any case I can't see how this could _not_ be extremely popular, just like it is on practically every other website that offers a journal feature. ;) I sometimes have missed something like this (slashdot scares me), as I don't really want to write often enough to justify a real blog.

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Who would have time to read it all?
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:34 UTC
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I sure wouldn't. Not like there isn't already more blogs out there than people could possibly read in a lifetime. What would be useful feature to me? The ability to filter by article type - ie, I'd like not see Amiga, PDA, and other articles. Also, disallow any comments with 'M$', 'Windoze', LinSux, etc ... get rid of the 12yolds, please.

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MadDwarf Member since:
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I agree with the filtering of lame abbreviations/miss-spellings. If you want to take a jab at Microsoft, think of something more than just "M$". We know they like their money.

When the IRC channel I used to frequent introduced a cuss-filter, we saw a huge increase in creative comments.

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I would use it
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:55 UTC
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I have been working on a "10 things I would change about linux" paper for a while, but I wasn't sure what I would do with it. I don't want to post just in a forum, because I would like a more professional presentation of my ideas. I also don't want to host it myself, because I don't have the bandwidth or the traffic. So if you had a good hybrid article/forum system I think I would definately post it here.

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Not a fan of those pages...
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 04:59 UTC
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Kernel trap has an identical implementation... guess what. I never check people's pages... I only skim the main stories... But this is just me. maybe someone else finds it attractive. However, even the second version is harder for me to navigate. In my opinion has more useless clutter. If it becomes even more cluttered and hard to understand the site navigation I'll look for news somewhere else.

Take a page from craigs list, simple (maybe a bit ugly) but damn easy to understand.

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v How to improve OSNEWS
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 05:29 UTC
Oh No!
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 05:30 UTC
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As if it weren't bad enough that for some inexplicable reason, OSNews has posted links to OSViews, OSNews would then make it extremely easy to have as many things posted that were as crappy or worse?

Things are bad enough for quality and lack of review many times already, and I don't see how this would help improve the quality of material (on average) linked to/posted on here.

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k5 has a neat thing going, where users vote for an article to make the front page or not. comments, blogs... done a lot of places. but you could host interesting articles and posts also. i'd worry about it getting saturated with stupid opinions though. unless, of course, articles had to be voted in. And probably keep them separate. this site is so clean and up to date that I use it to find all my os news first. clean and informative... with intelligent user base, that is what makes osnews.com. just don't loose that.

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jtrapp Member since:
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agreed

expansion is good, but keep the front page quality

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I was about to say k5, but you beat me to it.

I was a big /. reader for a long time, then I got sick of the comments, so I went to k5. I read k5 for a few months until I realized that while /. misses some good articles, the stuff that makes it to the front page is generally quite good. On the other hand, the stuff that makes it to the front page of k5 is whatever enough people voted for, and if there is one thing that we have all learned in the past 10 years, is that just because something is popular, doesn't mean it's good (think music, movies, etc.). I switched back to reading /., and now just don't bother reading the comments unless it is an ask slashdot that I can answer.


On the occasion that I read the comments here, it's because I've read some braindead article that was linked from here, and I'm checking to see if others have mentioned that it is such (the whole Java no-fragmented memory thing comes to my mind as an example, as well as various posts about programming language X being the next best thing to sliced bread).

Would I use a blog-like thing? I don't use the /. blog functionality, why would I use this one?

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Consider This;
by case on Fri 12th Aug 2005 06:47 UTC
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I'd like to see you implement post threading. With popular articles it becomes to hard to keep track of all the "RE: posts", as they can show up a page removed from the comment their referring to.
I always take time to look at the Comment section before reading the article. You have alot of smart people who show up here to share their ideas and reading the different opinions allows me to see the different sides of the issue.
Threading would allow a place for an interesting opinion to start, get talked about and when finished a place to end.
People will also be more inclined to share their thoughts if they know their posts will be placed within a thread and not end up randomly mixed amongst unrelated posts.

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v Slashcode.
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 07:44 UTC
My own thoughts
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 08:16 UTC
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I like OSNews in general, it's easy to see what's new, commenting stories is easy, and it even looks good. I just haven't had any reason to register, but if posting of my ideas was done, and it worked well, I probably would register. I think it sounds like an interesting idea and would allow people to more easily create some constructive discussions.
-WereCat

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Not sure
by Michael Dominic K. on Fri 12th Aug 2005 09:22 UTC
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I'm not sure if this is a good idea. I suppose it'll generate too much noise, and not so much "content" really. If someone is seriously interested in posting his ideas/articles he already has a blog by himself.

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re: Can we have a thread view already?
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 10:18 UTC
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100% ACK
It's a PITA to discuss sth. without!

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I'd use it
by John Nilsson on Fri 12th Aug 2005 10:36 UTC
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I currently use Tomboy for writing up all my little ideas I get from time to time. I think this forum would be a better place.

I'm not that great with writing so I'd probably wan't to update the article from time to time depending on how the discussion goes. This will ofcourse outdate the discussion so it would be great to be able to delete/hide unrelated and outdated comments.


About the threading thing, I think it is better like it is now. It's easy to see new comments and/or pause and resume reading. Alternatives would be to have some AJAX implemented popupwindow on hover that will show a show summary of relies in a threaded fashon. If threading is a must then I think some GUI element that highlight important changes wihtout the need to go through the whole discussion is needed.


While I'm ranting I could just as well put this little bit here too: Seeing how the moderation voting system has worked so far I'd say that a range from -5 to 5 is to much. I think -1 to 3 is a better range with the current usage.

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RE: I'd use it
by Ethyriel on Fri 12th Aug 2005 14:52 UTC in reply to "I'd use it"
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I don't think -5 to 5 is too much, I think that 5 votes per day is not enough. The range provides more fine grained control for us, it's just that those who vote don't have enough votes for all the trolls.

I too agree with thread view, I really like techreport.com's implementation, mostly because it's fast on my dialup. Also because I like the feel. The only thing it's missing is, like you said, obviously marking new comments. It's time based, and while that's useful, it doesn't fill the gap.

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by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 12:03 UTC
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And become like every news website ?
look, no one cares of ppl stories. they are blogs. if people want a blog, they make one. why have one on osnews ? they already have one on /. or whatever else. Having one on osnews is then just for the hype.
Usefullness ? I think zero.

threaded comments ? man, you need them. Like kuro5hin.org is not bad.
but keep the rest as it is or make something DIFFERENT.
Maybe a mix of a planet like thing but you select articles, so people can participate or something.
But honestly, another slashdot, thanks no thanks. No need.

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Suggestions
by TechStorm on Fri 12th Aug 2005 12:34 UTC
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On each post's byline, you can put a link to one of the poster's blogs, chosen at random amonst all those blogs whose categories match the category of the current story.

And yes, we could use threading.

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Suggestions [2]
by TechStorm on Fri 12th Aug 2005 12:37 UTC
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And we could also use being able to edit posts (amonst >>> amongst). Oops. ;)

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Less is more
by _Hob_ on Fri 12th Aug 2005 12:56 UTC
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So instead of having a regular news posting prompting an argument about Linux being ready for the desktop, or Vista being bloated vapourware, we can have several hundred of them occuring at once.

If this where to happen, I would need some kind of guide as to who was actually worth reading. No offence to anyone, but we're just a bunch of people with opinions, and we've all got them.

How about moderating a daily discussion. Users can submit their 'blog', which can be vetted, then posted by a moderator for the community to have a discussion. This could be anything from the communicative implications of mouse pointers turning into an hourglass to represent being busy (especially when compared to GEM's bee), to a history on the CLI.

Either way, users can post an opinion, and the community can respond. This way, we will have one thing worth reading, instead of many things that should be ignored.

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Not
by Sphinx on Fri 12th Aug 2005 13:37 UTC
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I view the whole blogging fad as web pollution.

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Thread view...
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Aug 2005 15:41 UTC
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I hate the implementation you posted Ethyrial, it's like Slashdot's...I'd prefer something like IMDB's thread view. I don't want to click again and again to read things.

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RE: Thread view...
by Ethyriel on Sat 13th Aug 2005 00:45 UTC in reply to "Thread view..."
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Ah, see, I don't like having to scroll through one popular thread just to get to other threads, and often go through multiple pages. This brings about Slashdot's problem of everyone posting to a single thread with even less traffic. I like having the first comments of each thread readily accessible, so the threads can easily be identified, and the state of the thread easily assessed by the visual appearance of the tree.

Honestly, if you're just going to show every single message in the thread by default, what's the point of having a thread view at all? It's just going to push brand new comments back a page or two by big threads, and offer nothing but even more confusion from an organizational standpoint.

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Sure
by japail on Fri 12th Aug 2005 18:46 UTC
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If you'll derive some measure of entertainment from implementing the functionality, you already have reason to consider it. I'm sure that some people will make use of the journal functionality. The obvious advantage that it has over a more general-purpose journal is that it's more closely coupled with OSNews and the content it provides. Plus it gives people that like to routinely restate the same arguments for every story slightly-related to one of their favorite subjects an easy way of elaborating at great length in one place. There's also the user-centered news filter aspect, where people that like the links provided by a user can easily take suggestions about what to read, without having to have all of the news on the front page.

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David, Eugenia,Thom, Adam,Andrew,Jon
by case on Sat 13th Aug 2005 03:31 UTC
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The site techreport.com that the above poster Ethyriel has pointed out is a great example of a clean and clear threaded posting site. If the original post that has drawn interest can be clicked on and at the same time bring up within a one page view all subsequent replies then you will end up with the same view that OSNEWS viewer are used to.
Also of interest about this site is the use of a darker backgound with a lighter font face. Looks great.
This articles titled red lettered request for feedback is also getting close to the end of the page , you may want to move it back to the top to get a fair view of our view on these ideas.

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I don't want to seem like a luddite but from my perspective there is nothing wrong with your current format it has the advantages of:

1. Targeted news
2. Opportunity for discussion on the news stories (like this)
3. A range of forums where ad hoc discussion can take place.

This is a great resource that I look at every day (perhaps I need to get a life) and get much information and pleasure from. I vote to leave it as it is.

Regards,
Peter

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wow.
by Anonymous on Sat 13th Aug 2005 07:08 UTC
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so basically version 3 is to go rip-off every feature that slashdot has and hope that someday this site will have anywhere close to slashdot's relevance.

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no way
by Anonymous on Sat 13th Aug 2005 07:11 UTC
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This site is way to heavily censored and moderated for such a feature to even make sense.

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RE: no way
by David on Sun 14th Aug 2005 03:21 UTC in reply to "no way"
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Censored by whom?

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I would use this
by Carl on Tue 16th Aug 2005 11:03 UTC
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I would definately use this blog system. As a system developer, I get a finger in every pie (server administrator, coder, designer) at my company, which leaves me with a lot of experience (and short on spare time). This system would be perfect for writing down some experiences with a technology, a rant or just an exitement over a newfound project.

We're waiting. ;)
Carl

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