Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Aug 2005 13:40 UTC
Oracle and SUN A British executive for Sun said on Friday that the release date for the company's StarOffice 8 suite would now be September 12, almost two months later than originally anticipated. The office productivity software sees wide use in the Linux community, and includes word processing and spreadsheet applications.
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In other words ...
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 14:08 UTC
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... we prefer delaying the product for 2 monthes to have major bugs fixed as we don't care : our cash is earned on support, not software update/upgrade.

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RE: In other words ...
by Adam S on Sun 14th Aug 2005 14:36 UTC in reply to "In other words ..."
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Um... isn't that exactly what you WANT to hear? A software company releasing something that is READY rather than being governed by a date?? I say three cheers for Sun on this one!

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We are still waiting on OF1.99 to get out of beta releases. It is almost there but I still feel like it is buggy compared to 1.1 on my machines. 2.0 is coming or AKA SO 8, but I would rather wait and have a stable product.

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bad news
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 14:39 UTC
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this means star office 8 is only less that 1 month away to be released, which means it will be based on an openoffice 2 beta, which is not too stable right now.

IMO, they should delay it for christmas.

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RE: bad news
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 15:31 UTC in reply to "bad news"
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I am using the latest release 1.9.122 while OOo2 beta was based on 1.9.8x and SO8 Beta was based on 1.9.83 I think. The latest version has not crashed on me not even once and I use it extensively. My only gripe is that when adding additional Toolbars (View>Toolbars>Insert) they don't stick once the program is closed and when OOo is reopened I have to readd it again. That is a major nuisance for me.

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RE[2]: bad news
by g2devi on Sun 14th Aug 2005 19:32 UTC in reply to "RE: bad news"
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If what you say about 1.9.122 is true and SO8 going to be released next month, does that mean OpenOffice 2.0 will be out next month too? I couldn't find anything about release dates on the OO.org website.

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RE[3]: bad news
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 02:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: bad news"
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shortly after

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RE[3]: bad news
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 03:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: bad news"
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RE[2]: bad news
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 17:24 UTC in reply to "RE: bad news"
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" The latest version has not crashed on me not even once and I use it extensively"

Neither here. I usually kill it after I get tired of waiting it to load....

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v Where is the usual OSS zealotry?
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 15:35 UTC
A stretch
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 15:43 UTC
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In the BetaNews article, the paragraph, "However, news surfaced late Thursday that the Microsoft Office alternative lost a large contract, striking a blow to Sun's efforts and raising questions as to the suite's viability outside of the Linux and open source community." seems to be more of an opinion of the article's author, rather than based in any factual evidence.

Yet somehow, that seems to make it into the OSNews headline as "MS Pressure". Precisely what pressure was applied by Microsoft that caused the delay of Star Office 8?

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RE: A stretch
by rm6990 on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:00 UTC in reply to "A stretch"
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Yet somehow, that seems to make it into the OSNews headline as "MS Pressure". Precisely what pressure was applied by Microsoft that caused the delay of Star Office 8?

Don't you know that exciting headlines, albeit almost never true, generate more ad revenue? MS Pressure is much more exciting than Sun Loses Contract. The first thing I thought when I saw that was that MS had threatened a patent lawsuit or something. So, of course, I click on the story....but it really had nothing exciting. Journalistic ethics are so low nowadays that this is nothing...in-fact, quite normal.

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RE[2]: A stretch
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:35 UTC in reply to "RE: A stretch"
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Don't you know that exciting headlines, albeit almost never true, generate more ad revenue?

For the millionth time: We do NOT get payed at OSNews! How many times do I have to repeat that before it gets through?

Journalistic ethics are so low nowadays that this is nothing...in-fact, quite normal.

Go complain at BetaNews, *they* supplied the news. Is it my right to change the original author's intentions?

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RE[3]: A stretch
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A stretch"
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For the billion time, if you want to be called an editor, act like one.

It is not only your right, but your obligation to provide truthful headlines, even if they vary from whatever source you are linking to.

It would do you wonders to take a journalism class before you feel entitled to act and respond the way you do.

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v RE[4]: A stretch
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 19:04 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A stretch"
RE[3]: A stretch
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A stretch"
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...other than that, there *is* pressure from Microsoft, as they are in *direct* competition with Sun in this field, so there *inherently* is pressure.

It's not my problem that people see "Pressure from MS" and think: "Lawsuits! Patent issues! Anti competative behaviour!". It says more about the *reader* than about the author.

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RE[4]: A stretch
by wolfman3k5 on Tue 16th Aug 2005 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A stretch"
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Your conduct is improper. You need to watch your attitude and your language when you make comments. There is presure on you as I can see, or at least you think there is presure. Also, don't post every piece of crap here and then complain thatm people don't like it. Maybe more and more will stop reading the site. Where is Eugenia by the way? She had better posts and comments!

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RE[3]: A stretch
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A stretch"
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Quite a rude answer for an editor.

BetaNews is responsible for the content on their pages but OSN editors are responsible for missleading titles on www.osnews.com.

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RE[4]: A stretch
by Celerate on Sun 14th Aug 2005 19:39 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A stretch"
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Actually the article title is exactly what the BetaNews title is, changing that would be more dishonest imo than changing it to fit your approval since this is just a stub linking to the BN article.

OSNews editors should pick appropriate titles for their own work, but they shouldn't be expected to come up with better titles for other people's work. OSNews links to a lot of articles from other sites, this is something I appreciate but it also means that the editors won't have time to come up with new titles for every article they link to. You can either live with it, or bother the editors until they stop listing any articles but their own.

OSNews editors: Consider the format "BetaNews: [title]" or "Slashdot: [title]" when writing stubs to other articles like this so it will be clear that you are quoting the title from that site and aren't liable for the wording.

Nit Pickers: Nothing is perfect, especially journalism and software; you can either be glad that the mistakes are only small, or complain that there are mistakes. It all comes down to whether the glass is half full or half empty for you, but being pessimistic and complaining about everything isn't cool and won't make you popular here.

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RE[5]: A stretch
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 22:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: A stretch"
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"OSNews editors: Consider the format "BetaNews: [title]" or "Slashdot: [title]" when writing stubs to other articles like this so it will be clear that you are quoting the title from that site and aren't liable for the wording. "

This is a very good suggestion. Nonetheless, if you don't feel that the title reflects the content of the article, it may be prudent to introduce the article differently while linking to it. That is exactly what the part of "editing" in being an editor entails.

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RE[3]: A stretch
by rm6990 on Sun 14th Aug 2005 23:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A stretch"
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Care to point out where exactly I insinuated that OSNews was at fault for the headline?

Oh, and it is our ad clicks that are paying for this site, so jumping down our throats while imagining we said things we really didn't is incredibly unprofessional.

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RE[2]: A stretch
by RGCook on Mon 15th Aug 2005 17:06 UTC in reply to "RE: A stretch"
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Precisely what pressure? If you can't see the pressure that MS Office exerts on OOo, you my friend are blind. Let's not split hairs under the false pretense of journalistic integrity. For crying out loud, MICROSOFT is the owner and developer of MS Office. That is *Precisely* how they factor into providing pressure.

Rather than microanalyze the freaking headline, just acknowledge the real issue. Pull your head out of the sand and go to war, don't attack us.

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v A "sister" project...
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 17:28 UTC
v Quite a rude answer for an editor.
by aGNUstic on Sun 14th Aug 2005 18:16 UTC
v One of these days...
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 18:57 UTC
v editors...
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 20:13 UTC
relax
by Anonymous on Sun 14th Aug 2005 22:23 UTC
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jeez.. i don't see a problem with the contents of the articles.. to me, OSNews is just a compendium, from which you can draw you own conclusion. some of us make it sound as if they just slap this together with the express intention of posting flamebait...

just chill, man

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RE: relax
by re_re on Mon 15th Aug 2005 00:10 UTC in reply to "relax"
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I agree.
It's kind of like killing the mail man for delivering a letter with bad news.

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the scotland police thing
by butters on Mon 15th Aug 2005 00:23 UTC
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I read the article last week that spotlighted the move back to MS Office by the (one department/precinct of the) scotland police. One thing that bothered me was that the article skirted around the idea that MS offered some unspecified (financial/support/incentive-based) assistance tied to the reverse-migration. There was some hinting going on in the quotes from the police department, but the journalist chose not to explore this angle.

With so many entities switching from MS to non-MS solutions receiving only summary coverage in the media (analyst reports, etc.), is MS banking on "facilitating" higher-profile reverse switchers as a promising new source of FUD? Or am I reading too much into this?

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RE[6]: A stretch
by butters on Mon 15th Aug 2005 00:57 UTC
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First of all, the torrent of criticism aimed at the OSNews staff/editors needs to be stopped. These comments are of no use to other OSNews readers, and therefore these discussions should be taken offline. If you have a problem with the way OSNews staff or story submitters conduct themselves, contact them directly instead of posting in the comments section. I'm sure they'll be overjoyed to receive your criticisms by email--I know Eugenia was particularly thrilled with my email about "Get The Facts" ads appearing on OSNews. I apologize for that, by the way...

Second, OSNews staff need to stop feeding these discussions. I think that it is great that you participate in the comments sections and contribute positively to the discussions. However, it's not right to respond to these personal attacks, however reasonable/correct your position might be, using an account that is immune to moderation. Let the OSNews community mod these discussions appropriately and stay out of it so that you can maintain your credibility and reputation.

That said, we all should mod these comments out of whatever threshold we browse at, and we should only respond if we have something positive to contribute.

For example, the suggestion to attribute the headline to the source is a worthwhile idea to discuss. I would also suggest as a related alternative that the main page of the source be linked below the headline. For example:

StarOffice 8 Faces Delays, MS Pressure
From: BetaNews (hyperlinked to http://www.betanews.com)
Linked by `whoami` on `date`, submitted by someuser

This should present the headline in a way that clearly attributes it to the source, and provides a standard way of linking to the main page of the source (which should always be done anyway imho).

Perhaps in the future users will be able to blacklist sources if they find them particularly untrustworthy:

From: BetaNews <add source to blacklist>

and then they will never again see articles from that source on the main page when they are logged in (except maybe a notification on the bottom saying some number of articles blacklisted with a link to show them). Just an idea, OSNews v3 is a vast improvement over the previous version already.

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Interesting points regarding the headline...
by jsight on Mon 15th Aug 2005 01:45 UTC
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Actually, I agree with the headline. Clearly that fact that MS is their principle competitor does imply that they are under great pressure (esp. with the recent Scotland defection).

Having said that, I find myself often wishing that I could moderate the non-administrative comments from the site editors. The tone of some of their messages in this thread have been "less than polite" to say the least!

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Uhm, that graphical user interface...
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 03:00 UTC
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They should drop that graphical user interface look/theme. It is very repulsive. I know they're trying hard to look different, but not in such a bad way!
They should better learn from Apple, Gnome Industrial Theme, KDE, and even the new Windows...

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Our knowledge is superior! we can learn none from nobody.

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v For the millionth time...
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 03:07 UTC
RE: For the millionth time...
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 17:15 UTC in reply to "For the millionth time..."
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"It's 'paid' idiot. Not 'payed'."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=payed

Wow. Just wow.

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Hmm
by kaiwai on Mon 15th Aug 2005 06:04 UTC
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If they shipped early, they would have been slammed for shipping a buggy product - now they're getting slammed for holding a product back due to major bugs, you can't satisfy everyone.

Regarding the bigger issue, I think he larger issue at play is SUN's unwillingness to invest the necessary money to court ISV's to port their desktop applications to Solaris x86 - not weird, obscure, "no one has ever heard of it' stuff, I'm talking about big names like Adobe, MYOB, Quicken, Peachtree, etc. etc.

No one, I repeat, no one will change to Solaris x86 let alone Linux, until they can get the same applications that their business relies on for their work flow, and I'm sorry, StarOffice doesn't stand up against Microsoft - the only thing that *COULD*, given enough investment, would be Wordperfect Suite; it would require investment, but it is 95% of the way there, vs. OpenOffice.org/StarOffice which isn't even on the radar when you compare the features of the suites.

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Uhm
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 11:10 UTC
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Then why are they called 'Editors' if all they do is copy and paste links? Hardly sounds like the most demanding journalistic task. 'Linkers' would be a better term :-)

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RE[4]: A stretch
by Anonymous on Mon 15th Aug 2005 14:12 UTC
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We appreciate facts. If it's a personal opinion, then you serves the readers better by making it clear it's a personal opinion. Thank you for the article anyway.

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