Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Aug 2005 17:25 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE The third beta of SUSE 10.0 has been released. The most important highlight is the PPC version, which is now also available. Furthermore, a lot of bugs have been fixed too.
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ETA?
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 17:38 UTC
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Does anyone know the ETA on the release version?

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suse & pegasos
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC
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Cool, Suse is my favourite distro. Would be nice to have the PPC version running on Pegasos II too.

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I hafta say...
by Bobmeister on Thu 25th Aug 2005 17:54 UTC
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Well..I hafta say that this release, although it won't really have a lot of "new" stuff over 9.3, will be a good launch for the new OpenSUSE project. I'm running Beta 2 without hardly a problem. Boot time is almost cut in half and it's a bit snappier (saying a lot for SUSE). It's going to be rock solid by final release.

Look for the end of September...but they haven't published a hard date beyond RC1 which will be about September 8th or so.

I am very impressed. Grabbed a BUNCH of software from the "base" repository using apt and synaptic a the gwdg ftp server.

Sweet....

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Yeah, but I gotta know -
by swlaird on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:13 UTC
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does it support the Airport Extreme found in all the Aluminum G4 Powerbooks? Or is that one of the "small limitations currently" shown on the supported hardware page?

steve

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RE: Yeah, but I gotta know -
by pistooli on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:24 UTC in reply to "Yeah, but I gotta know - "
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I am fairly sure that it will NOT support Airport Extreme... :-(

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who knows
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:26 UTC
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I am fairly sure that it will NOT support Airport Extreme... :-(

Who knows,it's fairly simple for them to get to work.

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RE: who knows
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 21:35 UTC in reply to "who knows"
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>>I am fairly sure that it will NOT support Airport Extreme... :-(
>Who knows,it's fairly simple for them to get to work.

Yes of course. Once they're done, I suppose they will make a Free driver for nvidia cards, and so on...

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RE: who knows
by poofyhairguy on Thu 25th Aug 2005 21:52 UTC in reply to "who knows"
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Who knows,it's fairly simple for them to get to work.

As simple as writing a drivers for hardware you have no specs for. So in your case, simple=nearly impossible.

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Non GPL
by Bobmeister on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:33 UTC
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I DO know that on the "extra" repository there is a "non GPL" module package that you can install...it carries some non-gpl's drivers but I don't know specifically which ones....I don't know where it's published if the Airport Extreme would be included or not.

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D800 anyone?
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:34 UTC
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Has anyone tried it on a Dell Latitude D800? Mine currently runs 9.3 very nicely (apart from the $%^& broadcom wifi nic) and IŽd be interested to see how version 10 fares...

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RE: D800 anyone?
by swlaird on Thu 25th Aug 2005 18:48 UTC in reply to "D800 anyone?"
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Must be the same $%^& broadcom wifi nic used for Airport Extreme...

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RE[2]: D800 anyone?
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:03 UTC in reply to "RE: D800 anyone?"
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I was able to get this working by using the wrapper from Linuxant. Works well.

http://www.linuxant.com/

Good luck...

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RE[3]: D800 anyone?
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: D800 anyone?"
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Tried the Linuxant drivers, but while they donŽt cause the entire system to hang, they wonŽt allow me to access the internet either ... :-(

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RE[4]: D800 anyone?
by RGCook on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: D800 anyone?"
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If you are having "hang" issues using ndiswrapper or Linuxant, try the command

acpi=noirq

at boot. Also asess whether the hang occurs with/without power supply plugged in during boot.

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RE[5]: D800 anyone?
by HagerR15 on Thu 25th Aug 2005 21:51 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: D800 anyone?"
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There are a couple of issues I've had with SuSE (9.1, 9.2 & 9.3) and ndiswrapper with the Broadcom 802.11b bcmwl5a wireless card in my notebook.

1)Does not work with SuSE supplied ndiswrapper package. Although, I've had wifi working with ndiswrapper versions 0.8, 0.9 and 1.1, but it WILL NOT work with ndiswrapper versions 0.6, 1.0 or 1.2. Never tried version 0.7. This is an ndiswrapper issue as Slackware, Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu have the same results.

2)Had to place both eth0 and wlan0 on manual startup and activate the ONE I was going to use. SuSE would not allow both to be operational at the same time.

In addition to those two items, using SuSEFirewall2 would block all communications incoming and outgoing from eth0 and wlan0 completely using the default settings. Had to manually open up the ports to allow network traffic.

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RE: D800 anyone?
by RGCook on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:30 UTC in reply to "D800 anyone?"
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Mine currently runs 9.3 very nicely (apart from the $%^& broadcom wifi nic) and IŽd be interested to see how version 10 fares...

I have a Latitude D600 with Broadcom card. Currently running SuSE 9.3 using ndiswrapper. Please refer to my posting to the installation wiki and best of luck to you.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Suse_Profess...

P.S. Works for SuSE 9.3 too.

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Chris
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:00 UTC
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Wow, release cycle is rapid. A new beta every 2 days? Or do I live in some sort of time bubble? ;)

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RE: Chris
by pr0c on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:20 UTC in reply to "Chris"
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http://opensuse.org/index.php/Roadmap

Aug 9, 2005
SUSE Linux 10.0 beta1 release.

Aug 18, 2005
SUSE Linux 10.0 beta2 release.

Aug 25, 2005
SUSE Linux 10.0 beta3 release.

Sep 1, 2005
SUSE Linux 10.0 beta4 release.

Sep 9, 2005
SUSE Linux 10.0 RC1 release.

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man...
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 19:55 UTC
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And I *just* finished downloading the beta2 iso's!!!

*delete. click on torrent. rinse, repeat*

sigh.

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RE: man...
by fitz on Thu 25th Aug 2005 21:32 UTC in reply to "man..."
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there are delta iso files that you can apply to your beta 2 isos, giving you beta3 isos. I just did it and it worked great.

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development
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 22:22 UTC
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For those who have tryed Open SUSE, how does it compare to the previous personal and professional versions?
I've tryed the personal version before and found it lacked the completeness of the pro version.
I am currently running Suse 9.0 Pro, am I going to miss alot of development packages if I take the plunge to version 10?

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RE: development
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 23:12 UTC in reply to "development"
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Why don't you check the list of included packages on a mirror to see if it'll suit your needs?

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RE: development
by Anonymous Penguin on Thu 25th Aug 2005 23:24 UTC in reply to "development"
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"I've tryed the personal version before and found it lacked the completeness of the pro version."

The last "proper" SUSE Personal was 9.0 (3 CDs)
Then came 9.1 Personal, just 1 CD: even Novell realized that it was a mistake: so much so that they made a free 9.2 DVD available for download, and a free 9.3 DVD or 5 free CDs.
(And BTW 9.1 had the last "Personal" version)
The betas of 10 are at the moment 5 CDs. Besides you can install more either with YaST or with APT.
There is no reason to believe that things will get worse by the final release, on the contrary. So you are definitely not "going to miss alot of development packages" if you take the plunge to version 10.
And besides I wholeheartedly recommend leaving 9.0 for something newer: I loved it at the time, but 4 releases later you can feel all the difference.

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Airport Extreme
by Anonymous on Thu 25th Aug 2005 23:38 UTC
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I saw on a forum (Gentoo?) that Airport Extreme is working fine by running Mac-on-Linux in the background, and sharing the connection from the "virtual os X".

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I like SuSE, but...
by Walter on Fri 26th Aug 2005 08:28 UTC
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I do think its one of the slower distro's at the moment.
Now I read that the boot time is already cut in half, but what about when the system is running?

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RE: I like SuSE, but...
by fitz on Fri 26th Aug 2005 08:59 UTC in reply to "I like SuSE, but..."
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I just installed suse 9.3 about 4 days ago and just installed beta 3 today. I can't say that I see much of a difference between application load times, except OpenOffice loads up extremely quick, well extremely quick for OpenOffice atleast. There is a suse project called SUPER that is aiming to improve a number of things, one of those being application load time. I am a bit disappointed that ram usage is stuck around 175mb with just firefox open ( using gnome).

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re:I like SuSE, but...
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 09:00 UTC
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Now I read that the boot time is already cut in half, but what about when the system is running?

At least as good,most of the times better.

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They seem to be serious,fine.
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 11:57 UTC
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Great they target the PPC as well.According to SONY the powercell is meant to support more than only gaming consoles.Let's wait and see if SuSE will run on those as well.Interesting very interesting times altogether.Overall Novell apprarantly seems to take it all seriously.

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Firefox and Thunderbird 1.5
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 12:06 UTC
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Are they going to wait for the releases of 1.5 version of Firefox to include it? Are they going to include Thunderbird in the main installation? If yes, are they going to wait to Thunderbird 1.5 as well? And, if yes again, are they going to include the corresponding locale packages for Thunderbird?

Can anyone say something about this? Thanks in advance.

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RE: I like SuSE, but...
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 12:39 UTC
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"I am a bit disappointed that ram usage is stuck around 175mb with just firefox open ( using gnome)."

175mb may be alot if you're trying to run SUSE on a very old computer. But even now, low-end PC have 256Mb of RAM or more. So this is NOT a problem anymore.

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Go With NLD
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 12:58 UTC
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I like frequent releases but sometimes you have to get the job done. I have the eval version of NLD sp2, the funny thing is I know redcarpet will stop after 6 months, but NLD rarely comes with an update. Besides it's rock solid. People bitching about ndiswrapper, yes it is a problem in Suse based distros but If you spend some time googling you can get it work.
Personally everything worked for me except automatic initialization at startup. I added a network applet and pointed it to wlan0 and I have no problems now. People using KDE I'd suggest do "hcpcd wlan0" after successfully doing ndiswrapper install.

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RE: Go With NLD
by HagerR15 on Fri 26th Aug 2005 14:13 UTC in reply to "Go With NLD"
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"People bitching about ndiswrapper,"

We weren't bitching about ndiswrapper at all, just sharing our experiences to solve a problem. My point, which I should have elaborated, was that not all versions of ndiswrapper work with all wifi cards. If ndiswrapper-1.2 doesn't work with your card, try the other versions before you determine if it will work for you or not.

I also use a network applet pointed to wlan0 to start ndiswrapper/wifi. I wrote the script to use sudo (without password requirements) so it's just click and connect. Did you mean "dhcpcd wlan0"?

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Suse's Play For Top Distro
by Anonymous on Fri 26th Aug 2005 17:17 UTC
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for what it's worth Suse has just taken the 4th spot on distrowatch recently and is still climbing ... soon to overtake fedora core ... fingers crossed that Novell's plans to make Suse a serious contender to windows succeeds ... certainly is an impressive distro

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Beta?
by Anonymous on Sun 28th Aug 2005 07:00 UTC
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For a beta it's remarkably stable and less bug prone.

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No DVD ISO again...
by rklrkl on Sun 28th Aug 2005 09:32 UTC
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I'm impressed with SuSE 9.3 (the only distro I've seen that makes an serious effort to recognise wireless LAN cards without me having to manually hack around) and would really like to test this 10 release before it goes final. However, the lack of a DVD ISO remains hugely disappointing - I'm simply not willing to burn 5 CDs for a beta-test.

Yes, it may be that SuSE 10 final will be released on DVD as well as CDs, but I can't be the only one who doesn't bother with multi-CD distros any more? If Fedora Core can release a DVD ISO for their betas, why can't SuSE? Please don't say "there's a script out there that can combine the CD ISOs" - if there is, why doesn't SuSE do something similar themselves and release the DVD ISO that's produced?

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RE: No DVD ISO again...
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 14:49 UTC in reply to "No DVD ISO again..."
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You can create a DVD image from the CD set. Take a look at:
http://www.opensuse.org/index.php/Build_a_DVD_from_the_CD-Set

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