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If future OSNews upgrades support pics that respondents can attach to their messages, many of them might look a lot like an axe being sharpened on a grinder.

This isn't a place to grind axes, but to comment on the reported news. Sheesh...

heh.. or you could be like me and ignore almost all the users and just use the OS and hardware because you like it. OS4 is looking very nice and I can't wait to use it. But it wont replace my pc and im not expecting it to.

I believe im still fairly sane..

MorphOS have nothing either with Fleecy or Petro to do :-)

Why?
A port to standard powermacs would be sufficient.
Power Macs are cheap now and is impudent by the MorphOS team to stick Morph OS to their self-made PPC computers or outdated Amigas

regards, Ludwig

Trouble is, the supply of new PowerMacs is going to disappear in the next year or two. Also, there's an issue about technical docs needed to do a decent port, and support issues after the port has been made.

A source of new Pegasos machines will be available long after Apple has ceased to manufacture PowerPC kit. Likewise, shipments of AmigaOnes will continue - if the MorphOS team would consider a port (ooh the heresy).

The supply of "new" PowerMacs that use G3/G4 chips may indeed dry up in a year or two, except that there will be MILLIONS of them still in existence on the used market.

The number of Pegasos Systems doesn't even come close to the number of units Apple sold in one month, no less 10 years now...

And at the price these systems are selling for, they won't ever reach even a single percentage point in penetration.

Someone is going to have to figure out, that in order to sell more units, they are going to have to get the price down.

And that means either making a WHOLE LOT of them, in order to get economies of scale and sell some into the Linux Market...

Or, sell them at a bare minimum profit and try to make money selling complete systems with an OS.

It's a tough business competing against commodity hardware that is made in the thousands of pieces at a time.

Another thought is to talk to Microcode Solutions, and help them finish their PPC Co-Processor card for PC's.

Selling people one of those cards and a copy of the OS might also be a good solution.

I agree...

I'd *LOVE* to see a port to Apple PPC Hardware. I have several Blue and White G3 machines lying around, any of which would be a good platform for MorphOS.

They run MacOS X Panther quite well, and ran a beta of Tiger also for a time.

No reason one of them wouldn't make a nice MorphOS machine.

And I'd certainly like to buy a copy of it and support the development.

I'm hoping at some point I either get a large block of cash so I can buy a Pegasos II Board, or an AmigaONE Board and either OS to play with, or I stumble upon someone upgrading from an older board selling it reasonably cheap.

But, I've got some pretty good G3 and G4 hardware here, I'd *LOVE* to use to run an alternate OS on.

Maybe someday, AROS will get ported to Mac Hardware...

@ all people reading.

An Anonymous person (IP: 145.254.109.---) wrote:

>Why?
>A port to standard powermacs would be sufficient.
>Power Macs are cheap now and is impudent by the MorphOS
>team to stick Morph OS to their self-made PPC computers
> or outdated Amigas

Actually Pegasos machines are created and manifactured by bPLAN, that is a little but efficient electronic design firm in Germany born from the ashes of another good professional Amiga manufacturer called Phase5.

These motherboards are all but self-made...

...And more, they overcome MiniMac in terms of hardware expandibility (from the point of view of expandibility MiniMac could be considered a "TINY"Mac).

Take a look at its polite design in these screenshots at link here:

http://www.morphos-news.de/temp/peg2/

Also next generation of Pegasos, called HPC (High Performance Computer) revision I and revision II are alredy being tested, and seems that Freescale Inc., manifacturer of PPC CPU, and partner of Genesi (that is the consortium selling Pegasos machines) had evaluated it positively.

Remember that while IBM is pointing all its efforts in "CELL" CPU, on the other hand, Freescale is still interested in the future of classical PPC architecture, as revealed by the announce of new 7448 CPU.

So Pegasos users are not afraid (at the moment) of the future of PPC CPU's.

Also you all must consider the fact that MorphOS has poor requests in terms of hardware resources, and it is highly optimized, so when running even on relatively outdated machines (PPC G600 MHz) it dramaticaly boosts performances... ...a very different approach to heavy hardware requests by monolithic Apple MacOS.

The needing for overpumped PPC G5, or G6 or even better processors with low consumption and higher performances (as requested by Apple to IBM, and that caused demise of Apple and its migration towards Intel Architecture) will not afflict Pegasos/MorphOS in the recent future.

Ciao,

Raffaele

Being an owner of a Mac Mini, I don't miss ANY expandability...

It works fine as it is.

About the only two things I'd like changed are:

1. A second RAM Socket so I could have kept in the 256mb DIMM it came with. 768mb would be better than 512mb. Someday, I'll get a 1GB Chip for it.

2. Use of 3.5" Desktop HDD instead of Laptop Drives that run at 4800rpm.

But, other than that... There's no advantage to a Peg II board. Considering that the OS and Application Software choices for a Peg II are MUCH more limited than for a Mini...

I'm not saying the Peg II/MorphOS combination isn't good. It just seems idiocy to me to need to put down the Mac Mini in order to make the Peg II look good.

You can't build yourself up by putting others down.

And the Mac Mini can be a WONDERFUL system, as can the Peg II...

It's not a zero-sum game here.

There can be MANY great Motherboard/OS Combos out there.

Mr. Mage66 wrote:

> You can't build yourself up by putting others down.

Actually I was only responding to critics moved by other people, and clarifying situation of alliances and status of further development of the hardware. Don't quote words you put in my mouth that I didn't speak of.

I have nothing with Mac OS, except the fact it is now a very huuuuuuge OS.
But certainly Minimac is a very poor machine. Yes I hope too Minimac will be improved at least with twice RAM slots and a decent hard-disk.

And please, in your previous post you point about Linux market and penetration of pegasos machines.

Now you point the fact this platform has no software by considering only MorphOS OS.

Is it yours confusion?

Better to explain the twice OS alternative regarding the software for the Pegasos hardware...

1) Things are moving quickly if considering Pegasos as ODW machine for Linux users.

The niche market is certainly insignificant compared with Macs or X86 machines, but this machine had catched the heart of many Linux users because it is almost all "Open", including the firmware, as opposite to Macs.

And I don't believe you want to consider the Linux software scene poor at all, when comparing it with Mac software scene.

2) Regarding MorphOS, Yes. you are right. Offer of software is poor and we users must deal almost only with AmigaOS programs elder than 5 or 6 years or more. Hope that things could change because lots of good software titles are being converted also for MorphOS. For example:

Pagestream 5.0 (a very nice multiplatform low cost, professional DTP solution has been announced)

Pixel32 a very interesting multiplatform paint program with HDR capabilities is already available...

Papyrus Office Suite is already available and being improved and debugged...

Hollywood, the heir of SCALA Multimedia, is a very powerful Amiga only videotitling, presentations and Authoring software (with Designer module) and is already available.

And so on...

We amigans have been waiting for ten long years for new hardware. To wait another year, or more to obtain mainstrem software or better MorphOS versions is too hard to bear.

Ciao,

Raffaele

I wrote in my previous message:

> To wait another year, or more to obtain mainstrem software
>or better MorphOS versions is [...] too hard to bear.

Whoops. Sorry, a typo.

I intended "it is *NOT* too hard to bear".

Ciao,

Raffaele

Mac Mini is a nice maschine, but it has it's constraints. Do the following:

Try to put fast internal hds into it - fails.

Try to exchange the gfx card fails.

Try to add some pci card fails.

try to get fast 3D on Linux Side - fails

try to install MorphOS - fails

None of the above mentioned things fails with the Pegasos, but:

try to get a fast Aqua for Pegasos - fails (only generic gfx support in MOL).

For those needing a slim simple maschine the Mini is a *very* good solution, for those using something more special the Pegasos.

For OS X the Mini is better suited (but still it does not perform bad on the Pegasos), for Linux the Peg is really a very good choice, for MorphOS it is the best choice.

All in all the Pegasos is technically more comparable to the G4 PowerMacs than to the Mini, while its price is more like the Mini.

I support the idea, but what if Apple stops selling/producing PPC machines? Is PPC then a dead end?

LOL

What about that KHTML port? Sounds interesting and not mentioned in OSNews...

Click "READ MORE" at the base of the item entry on the main page. You'll see it's mentioned.