Linked by Andrew Youll on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:08 UTC
BSD and Darwin derivatives A petition has been started to present to Codeweavers to show that BSD is a viable platform for which to release Crossover Office. Update: For those who aren't keen on posting their email address this note posted by the petition organiser will hopefully put your minds at ease.
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wish them the best!
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:16 UTC
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I wish them the best with this, I know how it feels when companies are not paying much attention to the under dog (aka linux user). I hope it gets ported and all the bsd users can use office and other windows only products.

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Effective?
by markjensen on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:21 UTC
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I have never believed online petitions carried much weight. I don't know how effective this will be, but I wish them luck. It would be good to have successful commercial products in several *nix platforms. Although I am a Linux user, the world of *nix is much larger than just Linux.

Plus, I don't think that porting would be all that difficult...

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RE: Effective?
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:22 UTC in reply to "Effective?"
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Didn't the one to get NVidia drivers work? Now FreeBSD has NVidia drivers. There's nothing to lose in just trying.

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RE[2]: Effective?
by markjensen on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Effective?"
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It is quite possible that nVidia was:
a) Toying with the idea of a BSD driver release before any petition
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b) Found porting to not be overly complex

Who knows *why* corporations do the things they do? ;)

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v RE[3]: Effective?
by bryanv on Mon 29th Aug 2005 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Effective?"
RE[4]: Effective?
by ariel on Mon 29th Aug 2005 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Effective?"
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Maybe this dont make effect but we try ;)

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RE[4]: Effective?
by markjensen on Mon 29th Aug 2005 20:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Effective?"
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It was a whimsical rhetorical question. No need to start throwing insults.

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v doesnt crosover for osx fulfill this
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:26 UTC
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by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:30 UTC
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BSD could do with this! I don't know if it needs it, but I think could really do with it. I just hope major BSD success in the future with everything, and not so much Linux. I know at least the bigger vendors at least have FreeBSD drivers, which is great. By the way, does anyone know of any BSD magazines, or some good BSD books to buy?

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RE: .
by corentin on Mon 29th Aug 2005 18:49 UTC in reply to "."
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> By the way, does anyone know of any BSD magazines, or some good BSD books to buy?

There was a print edition of DaemonNews, but it does not exist anymore (only a few issues were released). It was somewhat redundant with the articles published on the website.
Otherwise, since a few years, there is a BSD magazine in Japan (and it is written... in japanese, of course).

Some folks volunteered to start one in english (see http://www.bsdnexus.com/wiki/index.php/BSDMag).

For you french readers, there is an *excellent* book on BSD by Emmanuel Dreyfus : "BSD : cahier de l'admin" (seconde Údition).
In english, there is the FreeBSD handbook for... well, FreeBSD use and administration. For a more technical, in-depth introduction to the BSD kernel there is the devil book, second edition ("The design and implementation of the 4.4BSD operating system", by McKusick et al.) Some programming knowledge is required, though. Else, books by Michael Lucas are considered good (I have not read them myself).

Now, I am waiting for a book on the history of BSD ;) (McKusick wrote a book chapter on BSD history, but something more in-depth would be very cool)

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v Petition To Bring Crossover Office To BSD
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:32 UTC
RE: Anonymous (IP: 24.84.185.---)
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:41 UTC
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Good books:

1) The Complete FreeBSD, Fourth Edition -- by Greg Lehey
2) Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD -- by Michael Lucas,
3) FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your Personal Computer, Second Edition (with CD-ROM)

FYI: Some books come with old version of FreeBSD; just download the version appropriate version.

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RE[2]: Anonymous (IP: 24.84.185.---)
by ulib on Mon 29th Aug 2005 18:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Anonymous (IP: 24.84.185.---)"
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Those three are great but I wouldn't forget this one
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/catalog/print/b/bsdhks?x-t=rr.view
it's written extremely well *and* it's a lot of fun. ;)

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Your absolutely right ulib; bsd hacks is extremely well written and the subject matter is a joy to read. Sorry BSD Hacks slipped my mind.

Now in regards to the original poster (magazine sub):

Daemon News
"Daemon News prints a Quarterly Journal focusing on all facets of BSD. We regularly include articles from FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. Included in this power pak is the latest issue in print."

The above reference came from: http://bsdmall.com/fr5xstpak.html

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2005-07-07

> bsd hacks is extremely well written and the subject matter is a joy to read.

I just noticed a very positive review on this week's distrowatch journal.
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050829#bookreview
Speaking of the devil... ;)

But I don't want to draw attention away from the three books you named. I read the one by Lucas and I found it excellent - an ideal icebreaker, IMHO - and by the reviews I've seen the other two are very good as well.

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RE: Anonymous (IP: 24.84.185.---)
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 15:43 UTC
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I'm not looking for posted articles, I know they're all over the net, I'm looking for magazines, something I can maybe subscribe to, just like Linux has about 5 different monthly magazines from different countries, am looking to try to find if BSD has anything I can get a hold of.

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Codeweavers is a business
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 16:22 UTC
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Petitions are meaningless; I'll bet many of the signers have no intention of buying, they just want to promote the platform.

The key point is that Codeweavers is in business to make money. The way to persuade a business to do something is to demonstrate that they will make a profit by doing so.

Now, if instead of a petition, the parties involved collect legally binding pledges to buy a specified number of seats of Crossover Office for BSD, once those pledges exceed the costs of development Codeweavers might decide to do it.

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RE: Codeweavers is a business
by sean on Mon 29th Aug 2005 16:26 UTC in reply to "Codeweavers is a business"
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I signed a petition for Nvidia drivers before they were released. I continue to buy Nvidia cards because they support FreeBSD.

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Codeweavers and Apple
by the_webers_inc on Mon 29th Aug 2005 16:22 UTC
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Maybe I missed something here. CodeWeavers have pledged to bring Crossover office to Mac OS X on Intel.

Press Release:
http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/?id=20050622

Last time I checked Mac OS X is BSD under the hood. That should improve the chance for the rest of the BSD flavors.

Maybe I'm off base here but thats just my .02

T. J.

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RE: Codeweavers and Apple
by japail on Mon 29th Aug 2005 19:34 UTC in reply to "Codeweavers and Apple"
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2005-06-30

Every time someone simplifies XNU as BSD, a kitten dies. The lack of CrossOver for FreeBSD is likely not much of a technical hurdle (being derived from wine), so much as lacking in clear financial incentive. MacOS X has a much larger desktop userbase from which to have sufficient sales to warrant offering support with shipped units, and contending with extending the deployability tool to use something other than RPM.
Although it's not immediately obvious that Mac owners would really want CrossOver all that much. I imagine they have done research to suggest that it would be profitable, though.

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Not good
by Hiawatha on Mon 29th Aug 2005 16:56 UTC
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This list is not going to do any good. I think only a very small group of the BSD users will actualy know about the list and sign it. This gives Codeweavers the false sign that CoO on BSD is not wanted. Let's see how 'long' the list will be in a few weeks.

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Confidence!
by Dr_J on Mon 29th Aug 2005 17:13 UTC
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I'm the primary petition organizer.

To the naysayers, I would like to ask for your confidence in us. This is a first, and important, step to make this happen. I've spend about half of my career in marketing and business development, primarily in strategic partnering, raising venture capital and introducing new technology products to the market.

At this stage, it is important to show support. We will keep you informed as things progress.

DrJ

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openbsd
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 18:55 UTC
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frankly i don't think the openbsd folks would even want it considering they don't even have OO.o in their system.

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Be Kind, Rewind
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 19:42 UTC
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Or BSD users could bring Rewind up to spec. It's the MIT licensed fork from the old Wine codebase.

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Closed source? No thanks.
by Anonymous on Mon 29th Aug 2005 20:48 UTC
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We have enough closed source apps in FreeBSD already, including the piece of shit nvidia drivers which don't support amd64 yet. I'll stick to free software, thanks.

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CrossOver + Linux Emulation
by mike_m on Tue 30th Aug 2005 07:22 UTC
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I've heard that people got earlier versions CrossOver working using Linux emulation. Does Linux emulation in *BSD no longer work, or are there other problems with it?

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BSD and OS X are not the same
by Moulinneuf on Tue 30th Aug 2005 07:45 UTC
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Hi ,

All BSD's are the same : False

Apple OS X as Office :

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/724...

ALL the other BSD do not ...

This is also a proof that ALL BSD are NOT Open Source.

BSD's are fool : They go after a company like codeweavers who build emulator and never have access to the native source code , when they should ask Apple to contribute back code so that the software they sale on there store can be used on all BSD.

its like 200 software vs ALL Apple OS X software.

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I encourage every GNU/Linux User to go and sign this petition and donate some money if they can afford it , I also encourage them to write to there GNU/Linux Distribution leader asking them to write to Codeweaver to make all there software availaible for all BSD , I also ask those who have writting talents to submit this story with a plea for GNU/Linux user to go and sign this petition.

Where not like BSD's we know very well what it feels to have software access denied and where not going to play Microsoft/Apple game , BSD's will never be the same or our equal but we still can be nice to them as there long history of failure and mistake as shown us clearly what is the only viable path for us all.

GNU/Linux is winning an will win it all , but we dont need software lock-in and cheating to do it.

- Moulinneuf

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But why?
by aliquis on Tue 30th Aug 2005 14:58 UTC
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Even thought I use BSD I can't understand why, the less MS office you use the better.

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