Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Sep 2005 10:21 UTC
Linspire In a short story with a happy ending, the developer of a free version of Linspire called Freespire has agreed to change the name of his project, and Linspire is offering free copies of Linspire Linux for a few days. Freespire, which first popped up on Distrowatch last week, described itself as a free variant of Linspire Linux, with proprietary components and trademarks removed.
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v What nerve!
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:32 UTC
RE: What nerve!
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:48 UTC in reply to "What nerve!"
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Hmmm...firstly i don't think they "went after him" as you put it. Secondly the name was changed because of confusion it created, i.e Freespire is implying a free version of Linspire, which it isn't as a lot of the Linspire goodies are missing. And it was not Linspire that faught MS over Lindows, it was MS who faught over Lindows ... big difference. I don't think that there ar eany hard feelings between the projects.

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RE[2]: What nerve!
by Pseudo Cyborg on Tue 6th Sep 2005 04:16 UTC in reply to "RE: What nerve!"
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Pedantic issues aside, you can't deny the irony. ;)

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RE: What nerve!
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:56 UTC in reply to "What nerve!"
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The guy behind Freespire is actually an Linspre employee I believe, and Freepsire was a personal project of his, and he had no intentions at all to publish this. However, someone submitted this to distrowatch, and that got the ball rolling.

The Freepsire guy and Linspire changed the name in mutual concent, no legal action was needed.

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RE[2]: What nerve!
by ma_d on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:30 UTC in reply to "RE: What nerve!"
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And his site mentions that the main problem was people thinking this was linspire but without a pricetag and it was hurting the Linspire name.
I don't think one could say that one would mistake Lindows for Windows....

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Wow!
by Ben2040 on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:47 UTC
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Someone at Linspire HQ was at the "free Opera" party and thought "hmmmm, thats a good idea" ;)

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RE: Wow!
by ma_d on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:31 UTC in reply to "Wow!"
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Ah yes. Unfortunately. The free opera was actually Opera for free. The free linspire is just Linspire, no CNR ;) .

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Re: Wow!
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:52 UTC
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Don't know about that - the first copy of Linspire I got was a free one, given away on this site I believe.

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Freespire dev is not a linspire employee
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 16:14 UTC
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Just a rumor.. he however is a insider.

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v They Aspire to new lows
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 16:15 UTC
They Aspire to new lows
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 16:37 UTC
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Who got sued? Get your facts straight please!

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Linspire
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 16:49 UTC
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To keep their good name in the community should just offer free developer releases, alphas, betas, etc. So we can try it out and let them know if their system has any noticable bugs.

We don't NEED a free version, we've got plenty of other distros to choose from. But offering us a free version to check out from time to time will help us help them spread their software and their name. Maybe sys admins like me would be more willing to recommend them, like we do RedHat and possibly SuSE or Mandrake, Debian, Gentoo, etc.

Every Linux admin should have a knoppix or Mepis CD in their backpack. Maybe Linspire could join the collection, if they were willing..

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Linspire
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 16:54 UTC
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Linspire LiveCD is a free Download just like Knoppix or Mepis. Works just as well with less blot!

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Coupon code non-functional
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:50 UTC
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"Coupon freespire expired on Aug 30, 2005 11:51 AM PST and is no longer valid"

That is the response I get. The "http://info.linspire.com/freespire/index.html" page lists the deadline as September 6th.

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RE: Coupon code non-functional
by kiz01 on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:55 UTC in reply to "Coupon code non-functional"
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I got the same thing. What gives!

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RE: Coupon code non-functional
by VeryPuzzled on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:15 UTC in reply to "Coupon code non-functional"
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The best thing to do is probably to write them an e-mail. I've registered a My.Linspire account and used their "Incident Based Ask Now / Email" support to forward my question about their "pre-expired" coupon.

Here's the direct link :
http://support.linspire.com/support_assisted.php

I understand that it might have generated a tremendous load on their systems, but I have not seen it on Slashdot yet... Maybe it's the OSNews effect! Eugenia said that she upgraded the site to v3.1... WOW! What an upgrade! ;-P

Anyways, where I come from, if a company advertises something (in real life AS WELL AS on the Web) and just breaks it without specifying a "while stocks lasts" clause, they have to honour it, even if they have to use a "rain check" coupon to delay until stocks are reprenished. They should at least fix the September 6th date if they have no intention on fulfilling orders with that coupon! Only time (and their reply to my question) will tell...

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Linspire wrote me back very quickly! Here's what they wrote :

Thank you for contacting Linspire.

Due to an overwhelming demand for access to our digital download and the “freespire” coupon, we have experienced some problems with the coupon validation process. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused. I have been notified by our web team that the coupon expire date issue has been resolved, please try again.

Thank you for your patience and understanding regarding this issue.

Linspire Support


Great responsive support! ;-) I've seen other profitable Linux companies that could take a Client Care lesson from them...

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RE: Coupon code non-functional
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:21 UTC in reply to "Coupon code non-functional"
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I have been informed that the coupon problem should now be fixed.

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RE: Coupon code non-functional
by Anonymous on Wed 7th Sep 2005 10:28 UTC in reply to "Coupon code non-functional"
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That is strange! I downloaded the free Linspire 5.0.59 ISO just a few hours ago this morning using Freespire as the coupon via Bit Torrent. I figured that would be the best since there were over 1200 people in front of me waiting to download it using the web. :0

In fact, I´m using the free Linspire Live CD as I´m typing this. :/

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washed off coupon ??
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:56 UTC
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"Coupon freespire expired on Aug 30, 2005 11:51 AM PST and is no longer valid" for me too ;)

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RE: washed off coupon ??
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:19 UTC in reply to "washed off coupon ??"
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yes, this happened to me too a few minutes ago.

I left the window open and when I tried again now, it worked fine.

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Re:washed off coupon ??
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:11 UTC
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I was using elive, and used the coupon(just a minute or so before this site posted the news) and the coupon worked, but I think you have to have to be signed in to your account for it to work.

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RE: Re:washed off coupon ??
by Anonymous on Wed 7th Sep 2005 10:36 UTC in reply to "Re:washed off coupon ??"
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>I think you have to have to be signed in to your account >for it to work.

Yes! You do have to create an account which is nothing but an email address of some type and a password, then login to the account for it to work.

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Bittorrent
by Smiffa on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:28 UTC
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I sure you're already doing this but try the bittorrent links. When I started this afternoon, there were 300-odd people in the download queue.

As I type this, my BT client is reporting 145 peers and 60-odd seeds so the more the merrier....

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RE: Bittorrent
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 20:13 UTC in reply to "Bittorrent"
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My client now reports 300 seeds and 940 peers, yet it's been nearly 10 minutes with not one one kb downloaded. Not even sure if it's connected. Anyone else getting this?

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works again
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:32 UTC
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its working again! hurry up to get your copy! im downloading it already ;)

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5.0.59 instead of updated 5.0.200
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:36 UTC
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you aparently get the old version

here's what I was expecting

http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_updates.php?info=iso

"ISO Release Notes
Date: 06.20.2005
Version: 5.0.200 (Linspire 5.0 Full)
Size: 645 MB

md5sum: c824c4c2d23c093a6d07f0ef6d45fee8

Engineer's Notes:

This version includes a number of noteworthy updates:

* updated applications:
o nvu
o lsongs
o mozilla
* improved openoffice look
* included wireless support for ralink devices
* included bittorent
* improved autorun and mimetypes support
* removed cpudyn (should address sluggishness in certain machines)"

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RE: Coupon code non-functional
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:45 UTC
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I was having the same problems withe the site reporting the coupon as expired, but after signing up for the My.Linspire account, the coupon works fine

gazR

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how long it takes
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:46 UTC
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how long does it takes that my order appear on My products -- CD download, because when i get there, just appear to download firefox but not linspire.

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v news credit?
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 19:03 UTC
who are this people
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 19:27 UTC
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Don't understand why 400 people have chosen to wait in line to download linspire instead download it by using bit torrent.

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RE: who are this people
by zombie process on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 13:30 UTC in reply to "who are this people"
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Because bittorrent, in general, sucks dog balls . It was a great idea, but it's also a real life example of how incredibly greedy nearly everyone is. How many torrents have you gone to download where there are 50+ peers, and 6 seeds w/ 32+ leaches? Most ISOs I download come *much faster* from a single throttled connection than any torrent site I see them listed on.

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Sorry for not having done my homework
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 19:53 UTC
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but Linspire was derived from Debian, right? So do you still have "apt" to upgrade and install software even if CNR is not included, or will the distro on the free disk be "frozen" at whatever version we get to download?

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Jerks!
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 20:21 UTC
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How can I understand the difference between NBC and
ABC and can't understand FREEspire and linspire? Duh! which one is free and is somewhat like linspire????

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Torrents
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 20:49 UTC
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I can't seem to find the link to the torrent... only seeing links to some firefox downloads.

Anyone have a link to the torrent?

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Bah
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 21:14 UTC
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I already got a free Linspire 5.0 ;)

I wish I could use this coupon to get free cnr but it won't let me.

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Freespire..what's wrong ?
by tejaskokje on Thu 1st Sep 2005 22:13 UTC
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I don't understand the requirement of name change. If Freespire feels like free version of (more famous) Linspire,then Open Office feels like Open source version of more famous MS Office.

Just kidding :-). Its upto the companies to decide.

Tejas Kokje

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What makes Linspire so good?
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 23:06 UTC
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Any one know the advantages of linspire and why one would want to buy it over any other distro thats free? I have always wondered what so attractive about it?

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RE: 5.0.59 instead of updated 5.0.200
by Anonymous on Thu 1st Sep 2005 23:06 UTC
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got an email back (very fast response I might add) that
said 5.0.59 is the latest release to the general public. So what is 5.0.200 for? anybody know?

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How about this name?
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 01:23 UTC
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How about "freedoze", for spite.

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RE: How about this name?
by Anonymous on Sat 3rd Sep 2005 04:36 UTC in reply to "How about this name?"
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No can do! Sounds too much like "Fritos". :-)

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gotta love freespire.
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 04:11 UTC
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Freespire inspire linspire to give free copies of linspire 5.0. so i guess today linspire was indeed freespire because of (free)linspire giveaway.

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Linspire should always be free
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 13:09 UTC
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As a Linspire user it confuses me why they sell the program in the first place because CnR is what sets it apart. Well that and not having all the server apps and other processes running in the background.

I've thought from day 1 d/load versions of the program should always be free and they make their money from CnR subscriptions.

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Stupid Linspire
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 14:42 UTC
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Hmmm - in the lawsuits, the DOWS part was what MS claimed was too similar. Guess "Lin" is free as if you add "ux" then it's a trademark. Linspire should be ashamed. Lots of distros based around Knoppix with similar names, etc. Linspire ought to be ashamed.

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Stupid Linspire
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 16:51 UTC
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Will the whining about Linspire this and Linspire that ever stop? It's simple stupid, if you don't like the product the company or the individuals associated with the product....DON'T USE IT and STOP WHINING!

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Absolutely unrelated (well almost)
by The MESMERIC on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 18:35 UTC
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Thanks Gizmo for offering your VoIP only for CNR Linspire users and Debian. Nice one, divide the Linux community.

There are tonnes of VoIp Linux solutions anyway which are less trouble to convert .debs ... I won't be checking nor will indirectly promoting your website again.

Oh about Freespire .. yeah sure, whatever.

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linspire is worthy
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 22:03 UTC
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If you are a person who wants Linux for free and never wants to pay a cent, ignore this post.

If you want to support Linux and and feel that you would like to contribute money to the cause, there are many ways to do so. Personally, I feel that Linspire has really earned it, so I subscribe to CNR even though I run 4 other completely free Linux distros. I want them to be successful. They have done a whole lot for the Linux community and they remain loyal, unlike some other proprietary Linux companies. Even if you can only do it for a short time, send some money Linspire's way, and trust that it will make it back down to projects like Mozilla and Gaim.

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Re:freespire
by Anonymous on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 23:57 UTC
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I like the idea of Linspire. Its the only distro I've tried that doesn't force you to use the command line. But it shouldn't be for pay.

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Free Version?
by Anonymous on Sat 3rd Sep 2005 00:09 UTC
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"As a Linspire user it confuses me why they sell the program in the first place because CnR is what sets it apart. Well that and not having all the server apps and other processes running in the background.

I've thought from day 1 d/load versions of the program should always be free and they make their money from CnR subscriptions."

They have to charge something. If you want to sell your product in retail - both parties need to make some sort of profit. Lets take Fry's for example. Why would they put Linspire on their shelves if the customer can get it for free? What is in it for them? If a company like Linspire wants to be pre-installed on PC's sold at stores like Fry's, they have to charge something.

CNR is the real source of income for Linspire, but they have to get those PC's out there so that people will discover and sign up for CNR. It is basic Business. Microsoft knew the value of having their product in the stores. That is why they have such a stranglehold on that market. It is extremely difficult to get any retail outlet to do any business with anyone other than Microsoft approved vendors.

Giving these free coupons does help people try out and see how Linspire works on their system. The real push forward for Linspire is from people who purchase a PC at the store that has Linspire pre-installed on it. The real push for any Linux distros is having their Linux product pre-installed and sold in a retail outlet store such as Fry's, Best Buy....

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Hello
by Anonymous on Sat 3rd Sep 2005 15:08 UTC
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Just for the record of course.

Freespire was just a project put together by one of the Insiders at the Linspire forums.Somehow it was released to distrowatch, and this whole thing started about the name, proprietory formats, whether or not it was Linspire, does Linspire support it etc etc etc..

The project name is now called "Squiggle" and is based on Linspire (w/out the 3rd party licensing infringemnts)

Linspire is completely supportive of Squiggle, they have no problem with its development. It reminds of all the Red Hat based distros that are out there.

Obviously it brought up the discussion at the highter levels and Linspire's marketing department that made it available for free this Labor Day Weekend.

The response as imagined is tremendous. The load on Linspire's servers was like nothing before. Their Web and IT teams worked yesterday and last night to resolve issues.

So if you are looking to download, please be patient whether by the torrent, ftp or http. There is still plenty of time.

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jt
by Anonymous on Mon 5th Sep 2005 16:57 UTC
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Jake Tate smiles a evil smile and walks away laughing...

Now if someone would just buy the box and see that it does not have a source code cd OR the written offer!

Also, shouldnt the gpl be ON the cd?

If linspire goes out of business tommorrow, what do you have besides a shiny box and a 'internet suite' ;) No thanks I will take my 3 mandrake cds over that any day!

Software subscription services that are delivered via download... WOW how M$ is that! And people still line up to buy it....

too funny!

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In addition...
by Anonymous on Wed 7th Sep 2005 10:34 UTC
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I´ve never seen Linspire and was curious to check it out for myself. SimplyMEPIS is my Distro of choice, however I cannot resist live CDś! ;)

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uh
by Anonymous on Wed 7th Sep 2005 12:53 UTC
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trade one master for another....
how many times can one sell his soul?
pay a yearly fee...pay for monthly software subscription...pay to beta test....do we see a pattern here... ;)

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