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Looking at there website (http://www.kubuntu.org/) I don't see any information like a changelog or any press. My guess is no, in that case.

There are no colony releases of kubuntu afaik.
However, you can of course always check out the daily builds here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/

no, because colony 4 didn't even complete the installation :/

*reverting to colony 3*

"Um i've tried breezy for one month and is terribly slow"

Hoary was slow before release as well. They were still testing things. Right before release everything became as snappy as Warty was.

maybe it's time to upgrade that 486?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

You are sending mixed messages here. The first thing you mention is a negative and everything else is a positive. I did an install of Colony 3 onto a new machine, so I can't say if it is slow. It is the fastest machine I have. Everything else is pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised when I did not have to go turn off spatial first thing. That is normally on e of the first things I do on an Ubuntu system.

Enable the breezy repositories (write breezy wherever it says hoary on your fstab) and update/upgrade.

D'oh, not fstab I mean't to say your sources list *just messed with fstab to set up Beagle*

"beagle depends on mono and mono is the biggest mistake in the Free Software world"

And for others Mono is the best thing. For devlopers to be finally able to write once and run on multiple systems it is a boon. This means more pro software from the Windows World being able to be used on Linux. I personally have no qualms with Windows software just the OS itself which is a POS in my eyes.

> For devlopers to be finally able to write once and run
> on multiple systems it is a boon.

Sort of. To so you need one of two things:

1) Use "WinForms" and make sure not to use any P/Invoke and make sure only to use the subset supported by Mono. Thorough testing is needed to ensure that you don't accidentally use an API that's not supported on both Linux and Windows. One way of minimizing this is to develop solely on Linux.

2) Use Gtk#, and use the Gtk++/GNOME subset that has been ported to Windows. Thorough testing is needed to ensure that you don't accidentally use an API that's not supported on both Linux and Windows. One way of minimizing this is to develop solely on Windows.

Option (1) will give you non-native looking interfaces on Linux and it won't behave as well as Gtk++ and Qt++. Option (2) isn't any different from using the Python or Ruby or Java or Perl interfaces to Gtk++. If portability is your goal, Java/Swing (for Java interfaces) or Java/SWT (for native looking interfaces) is still your best bet.

3) Use QT

No, breezy isn't stable. It is a development release that will debut as the next ubuntu stable release in mid-october.

that is quite easy .. take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/

It's _very_ easy. Enable "universe" and "multiverse" in your sources.list. run apt-get update to update your package list and then run, for example, apt-get install mplayer

You can also do all this using the graphical tool "synaptic" or the application "Add/remove programs".

> <sarcasm> the nature of these posts indicate the
> readiness of linux for mortal users and the daily
> desktop usage... </sarcasm>

I tend to agree with you, but if any Linux distro is close to being useful for mortal users then it's Ubuntu. Sure, I did have problems with Hoary, but with other distros I wouldn't even be able to reach the point where these problems appear. As for Breezy, I'll wait for the final version before I start ranting Maybe they fixed those issues I had with Hoary:

- monitor frequencies not auto-detected. This was the ugliest one since I had to edit the X config file and at first there wasn't even a sensible explanation why I can't go beyond 640x480

- keyboard layout not autodetected, but the workaround is still nice... "now press the z key. Now press the ö key if it exists. " (really a minor issue)

jsut forgot if there were others...

- Morin

Actually, my little brother who was in a car accident and caused damage to his head and who is a total "JoeUser" is using Ubuntu right now.

He had windows for a whole year and that worked ok i guess. But when I got him internet access the nightmare begun. Spyware, adware, virus. (and yes I had "the army" installed, like NAV, Outpost v2, Spybot S&D, SpywareBlaster etc.)

The calls would never end.

Then I said "f**k it, no more" and installed Ubuntu.
The difference is like heaven and hell.

The only calls I get now is the difficulty to eject a cd/dvd. (the button dont work)

In truth, i am far from Anti-LInux, I would love to replace WinXP boxes with linux... but the fact that users *are* (and they will) going to call me to ask "how can I play a DVD" is scaring me. . .

Windows doesn't come with a DVD decoder either. Most manufacturers include it if you buy a computer for them. Setting up support for restricted formats (DVD, MP3, Windows media, etc) should be one of the first things you do after installing Linux for someone else if you don't want them them to run into problems.

apt get VLC, it plays everything (yes DVDs). I don't get any calls from my users

In truth, i am far from Anti-LInux, I would love to replace WinXP boxes with linux... but the fact that users *are* (and they will) going to call me to ask "how can I play a DVD" is scaring me. . .

I've found that typical computer users don't have any problem with linux and modern DE (KDE 3.x, Gnome 2.x) as long as it's been setup for them beforehand by someone who knows what they're doing.

Of course, I've also found that the same holds true for Windows and typical users, thanks to its lovely "Everyone is Admin" defaults and myriad of effectively hidden mechanisms for running executables on startup.

You can change it in synaptic but from the shell you would do the following: -

1. sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (sub gedit for text editor of choice)

2. Look for 'warty' and change all instances to 'breezy'.

But you may want to follow this link for details http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradehoarytobreezy

Oops. Should be a point 3 to actuall uppdate the files

3. from the shell
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Hmm, I tried that one. It's more like

s/warty/hoary/

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get -f install
apt-get remove --purge $idiotic_stuff
apt-get dist-upgrade
dpkg blah
*fuck*
few hours later. Can't start X, for some readon the whole computer hangs, last enry in log beeing something about RAC, network is fucked up as eth1 is now eth0 and eth0 is eth2 plus djbdns and daemontools won't work...

reinstall warty from CD

well, well better luck in oktober ;-)

Daemontools? yeah right

I did a upgrade from Hoary to Breezy a few days ago. X froze here also.

What I changed was the keyboard driver "keyboard" to "kbd" + I also had to update my USB mouse, specifically "Dev Phys". (cat /proc/bus/input/devices)

After that X started with no problem.

Daemontools? yeah right

I'm not shure what changed. It is supposed to be started by this line in inittab:
SV:123456:respawn:/usr/bin/svscanboot

For some reason this didn't work after the upgrade.

What I changed was the keyboard driver "keyboard" to "kbd" + I also had to update my USB mouse, specifically "Dev Phys". (cat /proc/bus/input/devices)

Aha! Didn't try that. Is the requirement for this change documented somewhere?

No, not really. (Other than on the forum)

I posted the same exact solution on the ubuntuforum,
and that seemed to helped a few other people who were stuck.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35094&page=18&pp=10

(scroll down to WiLLiE)

Browser mode in GNOME 2.12 is far better than it's ever been. It's very similar to the current file chooser. I've been using it instead of spatial since I upgraded to Breezy a while back, and it's been a pleasure. My setup is the same as the screenshot on the 2.12 tour[1], except I did away with the toolbar since it's pretty redundant.

[1] http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/

I'm sure it is much better, but it can never really beat a decent spatial interface (read: finder, pre-OS X). Besides, they also added a tree view to the spatial interface.

-bytecoder

My guess would be just to make the system useful. Why wast time with Spatial mode?

Debianpure won't do it, sorry, based on stable??? For me it wouldn't be that much of a problem if it would have at least: xorg, kde 3.4 or 3.5 when it comes out, newest koffice, those are the things people really want, maybe a newer kernel might be appropriate as well. I hope they're gonna be part of the DCCA, with just the newest KDE (or gnome), and the newest office, and xorg. That's what people want, the thing underneath needs to be stable, but the guy's need to be available. Compatibility between distro's is a great goal, but please, make sure you have compatibility AND the latest eyecandy? you'd be surprised how many differences there are when you go back to a former KDE for example. That's the only reason ubuntu is popular: the newest guis.

"Just use www.debianpure.com. It comes with all the plugins (mplayer, flash, java, w32 codecs, DVD)"

Just wondering how debianpure can be pure debian with non-debian stuff.

Other than that, not that good of an answer.

Huh? There is a free nvidia driver "nv" which is part of X.org and it should be used automagically. If it wasn't then there's something strange going on o_O The propertiary drivers are easy to install too, just add restricted repositories, apt-get install nvidia-glx.

I upgraded to the latest 7676 driver for my 7800 GTX - it was a breeze, runing dual LCD's through twin view and all! All you need to do is make sure you have your kernel headers installed, the drivers will do the rest.

And why should Ubuntu restrict itself to the features of Windows?

You missed the point. The point is that "playing dvds" is not just a software problem, its a legal problem. The copy protection is protected by law! Ubuntu COULD play DVDs out of the box (illegally) but as soon as Mark or one of the developers went to a conference in the U.S. or nations like it they would find themselves in jail for breaking the DMCA.

So to avoid that they don't. And you have to do exactly six steps to get it to work. If that is too many, then there are distros that have that out of the box (because they don't care about legal trouble in the U.S.).

You mean, other than the fact that the ubuntu packages are more recent?


Ubuntu has _NO_ added functionality, it even cripples things (like its spatial_ubuntu "feature").

I'm not sure I understand. How does spatial nautilus relate to ubuntu?

-bytecoder

Ubuntu decided it was a good idea to change the functionality of left click and middle click actions.

In mainstream GNOME, and _every_ other distro on earth, left clicking leaves parent open, and opens child... and middle clicking closes parent and opens child... On Ubuntu, this is switched.

If you spend too much time using Ubuntu, and sit at any other distro, this would likely throw you off.

Ubuntu isn't content with just being incompatible with Debian, its even willing to be incompatible with GNOME...

We have standards for a reason, Ubuntu decides to do its own thing in entirely too many circumstances.

Ubuntu isn't content with just being incompatible with Debian, its even willing to be incompatible with GNOME...


Why would I care how 'other' distro's do it? I don't _use_ 'other' distros (At least not gui one's anyways -- and that may change with Ubuntu 6.04).

The horse/water analogy may be appropriate here. Most horses don't want the 'water' spacial offers. On the otherside of the corral is a trough marked 'browser'. You might find most of the herd there.

gconf-editor is a few clicks away from providing upstreams method.

It might behoove you to watch jdub's and the sabdfl's presentations at guadec. Ubuntu is catering to it's users. Oddly enough, I think the Debian Manifesto would be an important reference right now wrt ubuntu.

Oh and btw, your beating a dead horse -bwah ha ha -- sorry I couldn't help it.

1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates

etc...

1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)

With what it installs with 1 cd you get nothing. You have to connect to the web to do anything.

This is more or less normal these days; unless you plan ahead you'll need to get Foobar2000 or Winamp or iTunes from the internet when you reinstall Windows... I grant you, it would probably be nice to have an optional second CD of just .deb files to add to your system once you got it up and running, but really. One CD is about convenience. You get XMMS, Gnome, OpenOffice (I think), Xorg, Firefox and a couple things.

2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up

Oh hold on are you freaking kidding me since when did linux become so user friendly

How 'bout now? If you're lucky enough to have a camera supported by gphoto2, Ubuntu will probably take care of you. I use Kubuntu, and hotplug+gphoto2+kamera gives me easy access to my camera's memory card.

3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up

YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA

Yes, it's udev hotplug and a nice SANE scanner interface.

4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates

So what is new, last time I checked apt-get is not multilib aware.

Well, you might have a point there, but just because apt-get doesn't support multiple library versions on a system (but... what about XMMS and Gnome 2.10?) doesn't mean it's not convenient automater and package dependancy manager. Maybe not perfect, but convenient.

1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates

etc...

I would like to add the things I like about Ubuntu in general:

1. The brown Human theme.
2. ubuntuforums.org

Triple booting Ubuntu Breezy, Ubuntu Hoary and Win XP. Breezy now supports the monitor switching (FN + F8) on my Inspiron 510m.

SUSE Linux has a one CD install...

Actually, it will have two forms of this... a normal version, and an enhanced version (based on SUPER - a speed optimized SUSE being worked on by the founder of Yoper, who now works for Novell).

The rest of what you stated is hardly Ubuntu specific either, its down to hotplug and udev/hal...

Again, I say, there is nothing of consequence that Ubuntu offers that is not offered else where.

Ubuntu has _NO_ added functionality, it even cripples things (like its spatial_ubuntu "feature"). It has perhaps the worst sound support of any distro around - and the situation has gotten no better since warty almost a year ago.

I simply do not understand the draw of this distro, there are so many that are much better.


Its a stabilized Debian Sid with newer packages where it counts (Gnome, Xorg).

Its a stabilized Debian Sid with newer packages where it counts (Gnome, Xorg).

Well, Ubuntu seems to use the same version of X.org as Debian Sid does. And outside the officially supported Ubuntu packages Debian Sid is certainly more up to date than Ubuntu. Ubuntu keeps the same packages for six months while Debian Sid is constantly updated, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that pretty soon after the Ubuntu release it's Debian Sid that has newer packages.

That's because Ubuntu releases are stable, whereas Sid is not. This is pretty basic stuff.

If you don't know this, you probably shouldn't be commenting, as you're too ignorant to present anything valid.

I think this is a very good point. For several years, since woody was so stagnant, sid was more or less stable with minor breakage here and there. Now it's a flippin' minfield, and not surprisingly -- it's *UNSTABLE* -- people have forgotten this. Even well pinned and well though out distros like Kanotix are feeling this right now. Running Debian sid proper at this point requires very judicious package selection. A few very smart people I know have recently ended up with badly broken systems from a simple "apt-get upgrade." Again - this is because sid is unstable, and is meant to be.

Ubuntu, on the other hand, does have some breakage, and some bizarrely screwy packages, but overall it has been very stable IME -- even with a few 3rd party repositories added for grins. What ubuntu has that debian doesn't is vision, momentum, and a large (and growing) generally friendly and helpful userbase. It also has very helpful forums, and many people who are strong advocates of the OS. On the downside, it also has the 6 month freeze/release thing going on too (have I harped on this enough recently?) which I believe is a mistake. However, hundreds if not thousands of people either disagree with me, or don't see it as being a large enough problem to negate all the positives ubuntu has going for it. I fit into that second category if you can't tell.

Well, Ubuntu seems to use the same version of X.org as Debian Sid does.

Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.

Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.

Nope. Ubuntu doesn't have X.org 7.0 yet. And neither has Sid. We'll see which one will get it first.

poofyhairguy:
Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.

Anonymous:
Nope. Ubuntu doesn't have X.org 7.0 yet. And neither has Sid. We'll see which one will get it first.

modular Xorg - X.org 7.0

Are these two the same thing? Or both guys talking about different stuff?

Thing is... Daniel Stone has decided to go ahead and do this on his own. He hasn't waited on any discussions that might go on within x.org and fd.o.

X.org 7.0 is when Xorg will officially be modularized, until then, its simply what one maintainer has decided to do himself.

I wouldn't look too much into this, and its hardly a good thing. You gain absolutely nothing from the version of Xorg in Breezy compared to Xorg on other distro's....

And for the record... I was using Breezy 3 days ago, and am using SUSE Linux 10.0 currently... if anything, SUSE's Xorg starts up faster than Breezy's...

Thing is... Daniel Stone has decided to go ahead and do this on his own. He hasn't waited on any discussions that might go on within x.org and fd.o.

X.org 7.0 is when Xorg will officially be modularized, until then, its simply what one maintainer has decided to do himself.

You act like he decided what to cut up himself. The Xorg divisions in Breezy will very closely reflect the ones Xorg 7 will have. He just decided he did not want to wait until 7 came out to do this, seeing as how Ubuntu would not get another chance for six months.

The benefit of a divided Xorg is not speed of loading, but better drivers and hopefully better renderers.

Ubuntu is a great exponent of Keep It Simple, Stupid. Comes on one CD so easy to hand out. Fairly easy to install, good choice of best of breed apps, lots of sensible defaults already set up for you, tweaked for the desktop and pretty stable. Decent online updating system and very good and vibrant user forums (probably Ubuntu's most astute move). Compare this with the amount of installing and configuration so many other distros require, their constant updating against a moving target, and their general lack of support - some mailing lists, perhaps unmoderated and not really very helpful.

That said, Ubuntu is only a small part of the picture. SuSE is far more comprehensive and sophisticated (one guy's bloat is the next guy's functionality). Debian Sid (on which I'm typing this) allows you to go in any direction you want.

It's easy to say that Ubuntu's rather circumscribed and dinky approach is really Linux for hairdressers. There's some truth in that, but Ubuntu is cleverly done and so far has shown itself far, far more in tune with the aspirations ordinary users than the big guns of the distro world. If this has upset some developers, then so be it.

None of those are features of Ubuntu. They are all features of GNOME.

yes, the great ubuntu forum maketh the distro ^_^

Don't know what usplash is, but the boot config program is part of gnome-system-tools. I can send you a screenshot of it on Mandriva, if you like. http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/

Yeah, it's getting better for my HP Pavillion ze5400 as well: My audio buttons now work out of the box, which is just nice. However, I still have to mess with xorg.conf to properly set up the mouse pad. I really had hoped they had that fixed by now.

BTW, I've got Colony 4 installed and it has *lots* of bugs, and I mean glaringly obvious bugs. I sure hope they get them sorted out before relase time...

> > Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony CD 4
> You gotta be kiddin' me, right ?
> Now come on, 5 words ?

Actually, newbies deal with this all the time, they just don't recognize it. Take "Toronto, Ontario, Canada, North America". If you know where "Canada" is, you drop the "North America". If you know where Ontario is, you drop the "Canada" too. If you live in Toronto, you generally drop the "Ontario, Canada, North America"., but if you're outside Toronto, you'll have to settle for "Toronto, Ontario" or greater since there are more than one "Toronto"s in Canada.

Similarly this beta can be called "Colony 4", "Badger Colony 4", , "Ubuntu Badger Colony 4", or "Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony 4", depending on how much you know about Ubuntu.