Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 14th Sep 2005 23:48 UTC, submitted by Paul Best
Slackware, Slax The latest release of Slackware, 10.2, was just released to the mirrors.
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Most Excellent!
by jackson on Wed 14th Sep 2005 23:58 UTC
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Man, how I love Slackware. I have tried them all and Slack is IT for me. Woo-hoo!!!!!! Thanks, Pat!!

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Gnome for Slackware
by Best on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:07 UTC
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dropline GNOME 2.12 will be available shortly for Slackware 10.2. I can only imagine that freerock will have their release soon as well.

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Great News
by dswain on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:16 UTC
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Considering all the hardships that Pat had been under, and all the big work this release has had (2.6 kernel release, many updates, etc) this is very nice to see become released. It's a very nice distro, especially for those of you looking to get one-step more into the ideals of Linux, or looking for a rather minimal system. With a 2.6 kernel now, it should be even better all across the board (newer and older systems). Any other particular things to note aside from the changelog?

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change list...
by bonjour on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:17 UTC
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Longtime slackware user and here's my only gripe--there's got to be a more sensible way to list the changes aside from the usage of a overtly verbose changelog!!!

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RE: change list...
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:27 UTC in reply to "change list..."
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But that is the Slackware way...

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RE: change list...
by nick_th_fury on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:34 UTC in reply to "change list..."
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>>"Longtime slackware user and here's my only gripe--there's got to be a more sensible way to list the changes aside from the usage of a overtly verbose changelog!!!"


You kidding me? It only takes about 5 minutes a month to read it. The upside being you get to actully know why/what/when the changes were made. IMO, it's one of the perks, not something to be changed.

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RE[2]: change list...
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:45 UTC in reply to "RE: change list..."
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I agree. The changelog is a plus. I feel like I'm actually watching Pat work. I think it connects the users to Slackware development much more so than with other distros.

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install still a pain?
by Who is That on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:38 UTC
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Slack seriously needs to make the installer more streamlined.

blah to all the slack way stuff... I do not care about a GUI installer, but a debian sarge type of install would be good.

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RE: install still a pain?
by bonjour on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:43 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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imho, the slackware install is the easiest and least error prone way of getting a system up and running.

what's sarge like?

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RE: install still a pain?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:52 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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Really? It seemed pretty straightforward the first time I used it. I don't really see how it is a pain. The last time I tried Debian the installation didn't seem all that disimilar, perhaps I'm mistaken.

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RE: install still a pain?
by orestes on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:59 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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As far as I'm concerned Slackware's installer is just about perfect the way it is.

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RE: install still a pain?
by Ethyriel on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:49 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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Oh come now, the Sarge installer is a usability mess! Partitioning and assigning filesystems is especially unintuitive, and the interface has all sorts of little niggles. If you want a better Slackware installer, look at Arch for an example. After a few installs, I'm in and out in 10 minutes.

The only other better installer I've seen is Libranet, and that's a completely different beast.

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RE[2]: install still a pain?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 02:58 UTC in reply to "RE: install still a pain?"
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? Arch...? I could of swore Arch wanted me to setup up my own config files. While granted I'm a power user and thats no biggie....easy???..I dunno about that

( If I'm thinking of the wrong distro, or they have changed it.....disrgard this rant ;P )

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RE[3]: install still a pain?
by Ethyriel on Thu 15th Sep 2005 04:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: install still a pain?"
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Yes, it's that Arch. We're talking about Slackware here, that's not much of a stretch for this market. And like I mentioned already, once you figure out what's expected in the configs, it takes a couple minutes to write them. It takes me longer to choose my package set.

The thing I love is how centralized it is around a single menu, rather than dragging you along a predetermined path at it's own pace. Arch lets me take my time when I needed it, and lets me blaze through now that I don't.

Also, something about the whole thing makes it feel more natural to drop to a command line. It's like you're still in control, so there isn't any added barrier to the notion.

Comparatively, the Slackware installer seems rather... overgrown. It's still one of my favorite OS installers, but I'm of the opinion that it needs to be heavily consolidated.

But it's been awhile since I played with Slackware, 9.1 if I remember. Maybe I'll grab the ISO at work tomorrow, and give it another go once I'm done playing with Foresight and Vector. I need to try out that new upgrade to 7Mbps DSL anyway ;)

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RE: install still a pain?
by emmanuelnm on Thu 15th Sep 2005 02:03 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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I have tried the Sarge installer and I don't agree with you, I think that the slackware installer is great, I never get lost. The partition step in Debian Sarge is very tedious, I prefer the slackware installer.

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RE: install still a pain?
by johnp on Sun 18th Sep 2005 18:13 UTC in reply to "install still a pain?"
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I've been using slackware for a few years now and the installation is the easiest part.

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RE: install still a pain by Who is That
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 00:44 UTC
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Slackware's installer is the best, maybe you just need to take the time to learn it better

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Slackware installer
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:01 UTC
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It's simple and it works. What more do you need?

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Torrents anyone???
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:04 UTC
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i would like to start a torrent tonite and let it download, i usually download an ISO in about 30 minutes to an hour and then let it seed for a few days...

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v been meaning to give it a go
by jessta on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:19 UTC
RE: been meaning to give it a go
by valeri_ufo on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:29 UTC in reply to "been meaning to give it a go"
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who cares ?

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Hooray!
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:50 UTC
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Bittorrent is fired up, watching the ISOs trickle in right now.

Slackware is Linux done right.

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v Slackware sucks
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:55 UTC
Great news
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 01:56 UTC
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Thanks to Pat keep up the good work.

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Slack, as usual, Rocks!
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 02:04 UTC
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I try different distributions from time to time. I am often pleased with them, but no matter what I try, I always stick with Slackware. Installation and upgrading is easy, and running Slack it is always stable and fast.

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v newsgroup was too hostile for me
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 02:27 UTC
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most people that have newsgroup/irc/message board problems are either asking questions with easily googlable answers, or asking newb questions in the wrong place. and BSD != Linux.

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Lots of newsgroups and IRC are filled with tools. Try some of the Debian IRC and newsgroups -- you get the same thing.

However, the official Slackware forum at Linuxquestions.org is filled with the nicest, most helpful Slackware veterans I have ever come across. I urge all Slack users to check it out. It's an excellent resource.

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v slackware
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 02:33 UTC
Great!
by 1c3d0g on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:07 UTC
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This is awesome newz! Slackware is the grandpappy of many "spin-off" distro's (28 to be exact) according to DistroWatch. But they forgot to include the very promising newcomer PocketLinux in their count, so actually it's 29...either way it goes to show that Slackware must be doing something right for so many distro's to follow its footsteps. ;-)

Distro's based on Slackware:
http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence

PocketLinux:
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pocket

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you know what?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:12 UTC
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Kudos to Pat, thanks God he is doing well and healthy.
But let's get serious, it's 2005! What's the point of being a one-man-distro?

IMHO, Gentoo is "evolution" meanwhile Slackware pretends to be rocksolid just because... Slackware!

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RE: you know what?
by jackson on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:30 UTC in reply to "you know what?"
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Well, it provides him a living. I guess that's at least part of "the point". I think he gets great satisfaction out of his baby. We should all be so lucky.

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RE: you know what?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 04:38 UTC in reply to "you know what?"
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Enough with my distro is better than your distro. I am sure Gentoo makes a fine distro; but leave the propaganda out. This is about a slack release, not a gentoo release.

PS: I am not a slack or gentoo user.

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the first
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:29 UTC
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Slackware is deff an awesome distrobution, its something you wouldnt run in the corporate world especially if your managing many linux boxes, but is deff the best for learning, and using it as a hobby OS, very simple clean, and very easy to understand Not only that its the first real distribution to package a whole Operating system including the kernel and GNU base, the other thing that I really like is nothing really has changed since the last 9 years of slackware, except for updates.. Good work Pat..

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RE: the first
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:32 UTC in reply to "the first"
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I would agree in a general way. I learned on slack, and would consider it by far to be the best for that purpose. But I find it makes a good workstation computer, pat doesnt do what the majority of vendors do and custom patch the crap out of everything. If something isnt ready yet, he doesnt include it. The result is a suprisingly stable system with a real lack of those wierdo distro specific bugs.

But then again, I'm an ubuntu user now.
Cause I'm hip ;-)

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v vista?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 03:46 UTC
RE: vista?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 04:41 UTC in reply to "vista?"
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Imagine that; a clueless windows user. Shouldn't you be:

a) Defrag'ng your hd
b) Scanning for viruses
c) Scanning for spyware
d) Download some cool warez

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RE[2]: vista?
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 04:52 UTC in reply to "RE: vista?"
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i think it was a joke, referring to the insane flood of news comming out of the pdc...

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Firstly Slackware has been one of my main distro's for years along with debian.

I've found that any box i dont wish to tinker with say a router or a ssh server, i'd tend to use slackware, for workstations etc i'd use debian.

I think slackware is great but when all i wanna do is tinker doing everything by hand is alittle frustrating, granted in debian i dont go much further than say apt and dpkg and alittle cvs.

Standard slackware is great, but i'd like to plug and slander a few slackware based distro.

I tend to think slackware is much cleaner than debian, i know somethings gonna be there without having to take a guess.

Guess i'm a bitch for standards so take the rest of this with a pinch of salt;)

1c3d0g mentioned that distrowatch had 29 distro's based on slackware, of course it's a great based as i am sure you know!

But imvho (and this affects all distro's) is the generic me too, we shaved 50mb off, this ones designed for users, yadadadadad kde plastick-uber-theme distro

Of course it's a personal gpled right to change and modify their code for their own liking.

Pocketlinux- sorry to pick on this distro but since it's number 29 i will, i like 29.

It's great huh? I must confess i've never used it but what makes it better or EVEN different from the likes of Vector linux or Slax (more so slax).

They do what they do well add extra features to slackware, such as package managment a more user/dev whatever based interface.

We all need different things for different tasks, but we still havent got we dont need 10 things to do the one task.(tho i'm really not sure this one ring(app) for all idea)

Sure anyone can make their own distro, but do the majortity offer anything new?


yes i know i'm an idiot but ya need them too:p

Will

Slax
http://slax.linux-live.org/ - small fast modular slack

Does what it sets out to do well, it wasnt the first and it hasnt been the last, but it's the most effective slackware based newbie like distro i've used, and it's a live cd! sound like number 29?

P.s. pocketlinux guys - simplified installer 1 app per task and kde light, sorry guys/gals just think your reinventing the wheel

it's also 6am i'm grumpy

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only problem is Chinese fonts
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 05:02 UTC
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I've used Slackware and really liked it, but I work with both Chinese and English and I never could get Chinese fonts to install. I admit that the ignorance is on my part, but after scouring the forums and seeing others having the same difficulty, I'm at a loss. With Debian it's just a "apt-get install name-of-font-file" and it's done.

I realize that not everyone needs to use a non-Roman font, so for most users this is a total non-issue. However, I wish I could find a solution to this particular problem - I'd give Slackware another go if I could work out how to do this.

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RE: only problem is Chinese fonts
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 05:23 UTC in reply to "only problem is Chinese fonts"
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That's the main reason I don't use slackware too. I need Japanese, Chinese, and Korean fonts, and I couldn't figure out how to get them to work in Slackware so I moved to Windows (just kidding).

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This is how I did it . I replaced XOrg-8.1 with
XFree4.5 which has ALL THE ASIAN FONTS enabled by
default.

This may be the ONLY reason to XFree over XOrg but in my book it's important enough to make the switch.

I hope XOrg gets it together..

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you guys are really some strange kind... You can install XFree on your own, but installing some freaking fonts is such an issue?

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you guys are really some strange kind... You can install XFree on your own, but installing some freaking fonts is such an issue?

Well, if you've got a quick and dirty solution, I'd love to hear it. I spent a lot of time trying to get Chinese fonts to install, but no luck. Read the forums, closely followed the advice, but no luck. I just wish Asian language fonts were enabled by default. Maybe less than 5% of Slack users need this, but hey, we exist.

I would still consider Slack for a server though.

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Netinstaller
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 09:47 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: only problem is Chinese fonts"
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if you want install from FTP try installer from slackware fork: http://tukaani.org/installer/download

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RE: Netinstaller
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 10:37 UTC in reply to "Netinstaller"
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I've got an idea, an asian derivative of slackware. it'll be the equivalent of red flag to red hat. so we'll call it hardworkingware. lol, j/k, no offense.

but honestly, i think this would be great. i can finally go over to asia to start my own company, <sigh> <grin> who's coming with me>!

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For the japanese part we have Plamo already:
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=plamo
or
http://plamo-linux.jp/

You need japanese fonts to read this. ;-)

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I could be wrong, but try installing OpenOffice.org 1.x (not the new betas), it seemed to fix my problem of viewing Arabic and other languages.

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Well, you can find the packages of chinese/Japanese/Korean fonts for slack if you try harder with your google

http://cle.linux.org.tw/Slackware/slackware-10.1/packages/

Here is the Chinese (Traditional) packages set from CLE (Chinese Linux Extension - from Taiwan)

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Way to go
by Budd on Thu 15th Sep 2005 05:45 UTC
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Slacker since 8.0 Never looked back.

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RE: Way to go
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 06:33 UTC in reply to "Way to go"
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Me too...
Slacking about since 8.x. Looked around at some others... but I come back to the slack every darn time.

:)

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Nice to see Slack on the move again.
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 06:38 UTC
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And it's really nice to see people making some noise about it, it eases my sinking feeling that users have been abandoning slack lately.

I myself was a long-time slack user before I found another distro I actually liked better after slack 8.0, (not arch, gentoo or debian, not gonna pimp it either.. :p ) and I've seen quite few "slack-vets" like myself pop up as new users recently.

It would be sad if everyone would leave slack, since that would not only take away a great distro, but also a valuable tool for those who have decided to move beyond red hat or suse and really learn how the system works, without getting too uncomfortable. It would also further strengthen the misbelif a lot of ignorant people have that red hat and rpm is all there is to linux, since slack is probably the only non-rpm and non-deb based distro that gets any form of brand recognition.

Slack is important! Congratulations to Pat and all slack users.

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And it's really nice to see people making some noise about it, it eases my sinking feeling that users have been abandoning slack lately.

I have used Linux since 2001 and I just moved to Slack from Debian within the past year and I couldn't be happier. I actually have seen somewhat of a resurgence of Slack users, and according to the linuxcounter stats, Slack is still the distro with the 3rd or 4th largest reported usage, so I think there is a very large Slackware user base that is not going anywhere anytime soon.

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And it's really nice to see people making some noise about it, it eases my sinking feeling that users have been abandoning slack lately.

No way! Happy user since slack 8.1 ;)

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Thank you Pat
by Esaltato on Thu 15th Sep 2005 08:50 UTC
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What I like about Slackware is that you can forget about it. It's easy enough to only update the packages you need to, and it gives you that "I can!" feeling over your PC.
Yes, you can say this can be true for Linux in general, but, still, it's more true for SW.

Kudos to Pat!

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great news
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 13:42 UTC
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wow! just yesterday i thought that it's time for me to build a new install dvd from 'current'... such a nice surprise! i love this distro...

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...since so much effort is being put into revising and adding to the "Book" - the Slackware reference guide. Check it and and you might want to play with Slackware. I hope it gets as good as the FreeBSD Handbook, the NetBSD Guide and the Gentoo Handbook. Great going Pat Volkerding and all involved!

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operating speed cf debian
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 18:27 UTC
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hi - for my work development box i used freebsd (4 and 5) very happily for a long time.

then i was persuaded to move to debian 3.1/kernel 2.6. however, it runs slower, there are too many unresponsive "gaps" - redraws take a long time, desktop response takes too long to become active after leaving it idle.

both freebsd 4,5 and debian 3.1 were run on the same hardware (128MB RAM, 10GB disk) and using XFCE desktop with minimal daemons/services.

will slackware be any better?

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RE: operating speed cf debian
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 18:47 UTC in reply to "operating speed cf debian"
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well I cant really comment on your preformance problems, as far as i know debian does have preempt etc enabled by default in it's 2.6 kernel? you may want to check that, also consider googling for from desktop linux preformance tips. check dma settings x driver etc

will slackware be better? Well it's certainly alittle different than debian, more akin to a linux based bsd unix (tho even that line is getting very hazy these days, e.g. debian with a bsd..funky)

Ermm the most important point you should consider is why on earth did you even move from freebsd if you were happy with it, sure it's great to try new things, but if it's not broken...

Will

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Slack Rockz
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 19:47 UTC
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Slackware is the best distro avaiable !

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wohoo, finally
by Anonymous on Thu 15th Sep 2005 21:57 UTC
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it's out, and it's good.
Slackware rocks my world...!

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Smooth as usual
by Anonymous on Fri 16th Sep 2005 09:05 UTC
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Took me about 25mins to install&setup Slackware 10.2 from 10.1, had /home on a separate partition. Smooth and easy to setup as usual.

Shame it's using 2.4 still though because 2.6 is miles faster, don't matter any because I compiled 2.6.13-ck4 :-)

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