Ubuntu Breezy Badger Colony CD 5 (what's in a name) has been released. This will most likely be the last test release before the final release. You can download it here.
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I've used the previous colony. The only important fixed bug seems to me this one, related to inotify:
http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14967
It was a bit annoying that nautilus stopped being aware of filesystem changes after a while. The trashcan too suddenly stopped being aware of changes, and could not be emptied.
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I also am wondering this. I have been waiting for these folks to get the sound issue figured out on the TP600. I can get it to work just fine using Slackware 10.2 and ALSA with the 2.4 kernel, but the minute you upgrade to 2.6 everything breaks, no sound, no mouse, video looks crappy. Ubuntu looks good and works well, just no sound, so if they fix that I will be happy again.
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Well, I just upgraded to Breezy (via apt-get dist-upgrade) and... I'm not entirely sure what was going on beforehand because the process ate up all my memory and froze the computer, such that I had to reboot. Then I had to fix the broken packages that were half-installed (somehow, about a hundred) and redo my xorg.conf file (apparently because I modified mine).
In short, not fun. I'm not really complaining though, I just think they have a bit of work to do before it's ready for mass consumption.
It works now though, and the Gnome file manager is set up better...
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How does Ubuntu excel over Debian? How see how it's any superior. My 1 major complain about Ubuntu is in all the releases, I've never been able to get any firefox to work for going to webmail.shaw.ca but Mozilla works no problem. It only seems to be an Ubuntu specific problem with Firefox trying to go to that address, it's never a problem with any other distro I've tried. But all in all, I don't see that makes anything about Ubuntu standout from anyone else. Although I will say, I am hoping Linux in general gets killed off in favor of open solaris and especially for BSD power. Far far too many distributions with mad chaos of a file system. Any avid PC-BSD users out there?
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Compared to Sarge: Newer packages and enhancements.
Compared to Sid: More refinement and features.
Have you even tried Ubuntu or are you just trolling?
I am glad that there is an open Solaris. The users may have now have a place to go if Sun fails.
I am also glad that all the BSDs are out there.
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Compared to Sarge: Newer packages and enhancements.
Compared to Sid: More refinement and features.
Or, you could say:
Compared to Sarge: More unstable and buggy.
Compared to Sid: Less properly supported packages.
Ubuntu focuses on supporting fewer architectures and a considerably smaller subset of packages (about 20%) than Debian. This allows Ubuntu to develop faster than Debian on the specific areas where its focus is set.
Ubuntu's target group is users who want a no-hassle up-to-date Debian based GNOME desktop distro. Debian aims to be the universal operating system.
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You've done better than me. I never got "make" to work, so I never even got to try "make install." I really don't understand what your post has anything to do with anything though. Ubuntu is about apt-get and their custom program installer, so I've never HAD to use "make."
I've never personally rebuilt my transmission, but I'm not sure what that has to do with driving my Integra. I think Linux IS for newbies, but I think your logic needs work.
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So? Where's the plus of an operating system that's capable of running on a dozen other systems than yours, or just on 2 other systems. Debian has its value, sure, but I'm not gonna choose debian because it runs on other systems as well, while I do not have one of those systems.
Ubuntu is not all about GNOME these days anymore. KDE support is fantastic as well. A you said yourself there are always two different ways of looking at things, and for a lot of peole ubuntu is the linux that can help them switch, it's easy, it looks great and its fast (although booting is as slow as possible :s ). For other people it's just more than sufficient, there's still the power of the debian base, and way of working.
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linux is brown. running breezy here since the spring of '05 and have updated daily with synaptic. synaptic is one powerful WORKING tool.
i notice that realplayer 10 and w32codecs were removed from the hoary/extras depositories. java was removed too but blackdown java 1.4 is in breezy/universe.
maybe i have lucky hardware but i can not understand any nay sayers regarding ubuntu. the easiest damn complete linux ever seen.
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"To this day I have yet to have "make" then "make install" work on any distro."
And you're blaming this on what exactly? I assure you that make works fine in linux; I use it all the time. You are either lying, or doing something seriously wrong. Period.
"Compared to Sid: Less properly supported packages."
WTF does this even mean? Care to explain?
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"Compared to Sid: Less properly supported packages."
WTF does this even mean? Care to explain?
Maybe you're not aware of this but Ubuntu sorts packages into "main" and "universe" repositories. The idea behind this is that by cutting down support from packages that are considered to be of lower priority, Ubuntu can concentrate its development efforts on packages that are of higher priority. In other words, the "main" repository is where the higher priority packages are and "universe" is the place for the lower priority packages. Packages in "main" are actively developed by paid Ubuntu developers while the packages in "universe" are not even officially supported. In Ubuntu there's only unofficial and unpaid community support available for the "universe" packages.
This "priorization" model as a means for increasing efficiency is common enough strategy in the business world. Nothing wrong with that. But in Debian there's no similar sorting of packages to "main" and "universe" categories according to priorities. In Debian ALL packages are considered equally important and they all receive full official support.
This is what I meant when I suggested that Ubuntu has less properly supported packages when compared to Debian Sid.
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This is what I meant when I suggested that Ubuntu has less properly supported packages when compared to Debian Sid.
What follows is a release that can hang for weeks to months on a few maintainers that are not active or up to the job.
remember, ubuntu and debian profit from eachother, but ubuntu has made a selection "this is what we consider important" releases hang only on those packages. Other packages in universe still get very adequate support.
The main difference with debian is the lack of a specific maintainer for a package. Universe is being kept by a group of people that work together on all packages.
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"To this day I have yet to have "make" then "make install" work on any distro."
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I have had very poor success compiling from source on Red Hat and Mandrake, back when I was using those distros. By contrast, almost everything I've tried has compiled smoothly on Slackware. Nowadays I use Gentoo, so pretty much *everything* on my system is compiled from source.
Some distributions have non-standared layouts, missing development tools, and other quirks that keep the usual unzip, ./configure, make, make install routine fail unless you know how to fix the errors.
-Gnobuddy
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Supported and developed are two entirely different things. As far as "official" debian support for sid goes, AFAIK, everyone who suffered breakage due to recent C library changes got to keep both halves. While I think I understand what you're trying to say, I still don't follow your logic. Ubuntu main contains many packages from sid, some of which are even newer than ones in sid (though not for long because of ubuntu's 6 month freeze cycle). These packages are maintained -- xorg, for instance. All the rest of the misc. junk that would be in sid is in universe or multiverse and slated "caveat emptor." If your machine dies because you wanted to install a non-main package, you get pointed towards the forums or mailing list which is really all the support you get from any distro, unless you have a play-to-pay license. You can submit a bug report or bugfix all the same.
On the other hand, the state of affairs in ubuntu with mplayer, and for quite a while kaffeine, is unacceptable, IMO. When very popular packages have known problems due to how they were packaged/compiled, there is a problem. Because of these sorts of issues, I disagree with any "time based" release system. There is a huge amount of thrashing going on in the repos for ubuntu right now, and IIRC they've already declared a preview release. There is minor to major breakage for many people running breezy (I'm one of them), more or less every few days. I don't dig this fact at all -- with ~10 days to gold, I'd expect very little activity in the repos aside from bugfixes and patches, but that's just me.
FWIW, I run debian as well as ubuntu, and *do* see some clear advantages to debian over ubuntu -- it's just that none of them are related to support for packages in their "unstable" repositories.
