Linked by Adam S on Mon 26th Sep 2005 20:31 UTC
Original OSNews Interviews Today, I had the opportunity to speak with Iyer Venkatesan, Product line manager for StarOffice at Sun Microsystems. He spoke to me at length about StarOffice 8, which will be released tomorrow. Read on for a summary of the interview, and be sure to check out the review at Newsforge as well.
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v Not really compelling
by Anonymous on Mon 26th Sep 2005 22:41 UTC
RE: Not really compelling
by Adam S on Mon 26th Sep 2005 22:53 UTC in reply to "Not really compelling"
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2005-04-01

I already have Microsoft Office 95 and up installed, there is no need to migrate to either OO.org or Star Office.

C'mon, that's just silly. First off, Office 95 formats aren't even compatible with 97+.

Secondly, I think it's clear that it's the commercial sector that StarOffice is geared towards - and that OpenOffice.org is aimed at a home user with computer experience.

Then again, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling.

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RE[2]: Not really compelling
by captain_knobjockey on Tue 27th Sep 2005 15:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Not really compelling"
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why can we not vote you down ?
why do your posts come in at level 5 ?

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RE[3]: Not really compelling
by Minty Fresh on Tue 27th Sep 2005 16:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not really compelling"
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2005-07-06

Why are you trying to mod him down? Could it be because you are a KNOWN TROLL with a negative comment average???

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captain_knobjockey Member since:
2005-08-23

I wasnt trying to mod him down, I was looking at his comments scores. they are all 5


and you call me a troll ?

how dare you etc etc etc hahaha

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captain_knobjockey Member since:
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and last I looked I was not negative... but you were... TROLL !

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RE[3]: Not really compelling
by Whats That There on Tue 27th Sep 2005 16:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not really compelling"
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yeah, and Thom too.

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RE[3]: Not really compelling
by David on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not really compelling"
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It's one of the few perks of being OSNews staff.

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RE: Not really compelling
by puddleglum on Mon 26th Sep 2005 23:09 UTC in reply to "Not really compelling"
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2005-07-20

Why am I going to pay $99 for a product which is already free (OO.org)

You may not, but your employer would. You'd be amazed at the number of places that won't let you install something downloaded for free, but would buy the same thing in a shrinkwraped package.

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Awful font
by Anonymous on Mon 26th Sep 2005 23:34 UTC
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Does this render poorly for everyone? I am running Firefox 1.5 Beta on Win 2000 (I'm at work, or I'd be using Linux).

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I use it...
by Bobmeister on Mon 26th Sep 2005 23:57 UTC
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I use StarOffice and I'm a home user. It IS the same code as OpenOffice, but the "extras" are worth it...and it's easy to keep updated with patches throughout the life cycle. StarOffice 7 was a pleasure, so I have no problem shelling out a nominal amount for this fine office suite. Combine the provided clip-art and other things with templates (and add OpenClipArt too, if you like) there is plenty here that OpenOffice doesn't provide out of the box.

Now with the Open Document Format, things are even better. So, there are some people willing to spend a little for a piece of software...and the comment about Office 95 is pretty stupid. Some people DUMPED MS Office altogether because of the irritations and problems with it.

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I hope it beats OOo
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 00:05 UTC
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Been using OOo2 (1.9.129) and if SO isn't any better they'll soon get customers running back to MS.

It's just full of glitches. Small things, but irritating.

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RE: I hope it beats OOo
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 02:22 UTC in reply to "I hope it beats OOo"
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Been using OOo2 (1.9.129) and if SO isn't any better they'll soon get customers running back to MS.

It's just full of glitches. Small things, but irritating.


It's a beta in case you didn't know. That is why when you launch the program, it says "OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta". In-case you weren't aware, betas are released so people can find bugs and report them to the vendor. So, since that is the point of a beta, here's a thought, submit a bug report and maybe, just maybe, those bugs might get fixed!!! :-O What a thought eh?

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RE[2]: I hope it beats OOo
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 07:04 UTC in reply to "RE: I hope it beats OOo"
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So, since that is the point of a beta, here's a thought, submit a bug report and maybe, just maybe, those bugs might get fixed!!! :-O What a thought eh?

Yeah, sure. In some 5 years, maybe, if OOo is still around. I have some 4 years old issues reported that still are not fixed.

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RE[2]: I hope it beats OOo
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 10:39 UTC in reply to "RE: I hope it beats OOo"
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2005-07-06

If i get irritated enough. Just because SUN released SO as open source doesn't mean I'm employed in thier testing department working for zero salary...

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Hmmmm
by Bobmeister on Tue 27th Sep 2005 00:11 UTC
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Yeah...I've seen some bugs and I have been using it since 1.9.79 or so...but all of the bugs that I have seen have disappeared in my current 1.9.125, but do you really think people will "run" back to Microsoft? Just curious why you say that. My wife has been using this since StarOffice 7 and she is now using OpenOffice 1.9 until we get StarOffice 8 and she likes it BETTER and she has been using MS Office for years prior to that.

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RE: Hmmmm
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 00:23 UTC in reply to "Hmmmm"
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2005-07-06

Assuming pepole are checking out OO just for the sake of it. I think theyll find no compelling reason to stick with it. And the behavior is sufficiently dissimilar to MSO to get a feeling of bugginess

This is what I've found yet:

1. Slow rendering and rendering glitches (could be attributed to X/gtk and drivers though...)

2. Autofill in calc doesn't work as Excel. In excel if you autofill a single value it's repeated.

3. Pivot tables are called Data Pilot. Not a bug, but still an issue if the user thinks the feature is missing.

4. Enabling and Disabling of autofilter is confusing and buggy.

5. It's possible to remove the autofilter widgets by selecting a nonmatching query and not having a header row.

6. Data Pilot has a inferior query abillities.

There are more, but as you notice it's just a rather limited part of the whole suite I've had experience with jet. If the rest of it is similar...

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RE[2]: Hmmmm
by g2devi on Tue 27th Sep 2005 01:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmmmm"
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2005-07-09

OO.org 2.0 is beta testing, so of course it'll have issues. Have you filled out a bug report so that your concerns may be resolved by release time?

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RE[3]: Hmmmm
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 10:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hmmmm"
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2005-07-06

I wasn't bashing OOo I simply state that I hope SO is better.

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v Spellchecker
by Bnonn on Tue 27th Sep 2005 01:26 UTC
If OO.org is still in beta ...
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 01:41 UTC
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And StarOffice 8 is based on that, then what does that make StarOffice? And people accuse MS of releasing products that are still beta ;)

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Good job Sun
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 01:51 UTC
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I use Open Office at home and I just want to thank say thank you to Sun. They get bashed a lot so I thought I'd give them an atta-boy when I had the chance.

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Excuse me?
by whitespiral on Tue 27th Sep 2005 02:13 UTC
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"Autofill in calc doesn't work as Excel. In excel if you autofill a single value it's repeated. "

So it works correctly then. In excel, autofilling a cell formatted as text that has a number stored, increases the number by one, and autofilling a cell formatted as number repeats the cell. What's the ***ing logic in that?

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RE: Excuse me?
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 10:19 UTC in reply to "Excuse me?"
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2005-07-06

It's probably isn't logical at all. But MS Excel feels like a better mind reader than OOo.

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Sun and Google
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 03:54 UTC
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If they ever got together around promoting OpenOffice, it'd be 'say bye bye' time for Microsoft.

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RE: Sun and Google
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 04:58 UTC in reply to "Sun and Google"
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If they ever got together around promoting OpenOffice, it'd be 'say bye bye' time for Microsoft.

Not quite, for the simple reason some people out there don't trust non-Microsoft software.

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RE[2]: Sun and Google
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 05:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Sun and Google"
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Notwithstanding their overwhelming usage of Google, a non-Microsoft product.

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RE[3]: Sun and Google
by rm6990 on Tue 27th Sep 2005 05:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sun and Google"
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Notwithstanding their overwhelming usage of Google, a non-Microsoft product.

Yes, because the Google search engine is a piece of software you install on your computer, much like OpenOffice.org and MS Office. [/sarcasm]

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Though OOo is great...
by suryad on Tue 27th Sep 2005 05:00 UTC
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I have had a very good experience working with Office 2k3 and I am definitely looking forward to Office 12 to come out. It looks pretty intriguing to me. Right now I am using 1.9.125 and so far it has crashed on me only twice and I have filed the bug reports. But other than those crashes I have had no probs none whatsoever especially using Writer and swapping back and forth between Word and ODT formats. I think its a great suite but nowhere near as polished or as fast as MSOffice.

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64-bit version on GNU/Linux
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 06:36 UTC
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It is still not posible to run 64-bit OOo or SO on 64-bit Linux distro's. 64-bit only works on Solaris.

But SO/OOo are still the best office suites available.

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Just to cull the confusion..
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 07:52 UTC
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Free software(aka Open source software) is not about giving software away for free.
Software development costs money. Somebody has to pay the programmers.
Sun employs alot of people to work on open office. If they didn't make money from selling Sun Office then openoffice would probably not be in the functional state that it is.
Although I think the licencing of Sun office is unethical.
- Jessta

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RE: Just to cull the confusion..
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 09:06 UTC in reply to "Just to cull the confusion.."
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> Although I think the licencing of Sun office is unethical.

Errrm, ¿you mean the GPL?

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RE: Just to cull the confusion..
by John Nilsson on Tue 27th Sep 2005 10:28 UTC in reply to "Just to cull the confusion.."
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2005-07-06

Actually Free Software isn't known as Open Source software at all.

Open Source is about the techincal and economical superiority in the development model. This is what ESR oulines in the Cathedral and the Bazaar.

Free Software is about the moral and ethical right to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. This is why FSF created the GPL and GNU to promote it. Notice dependency there, GNU was created to promote GPL not the other way around.

Two completely diffrent beasts.

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OK.....
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 15:24 UTC
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If i get irritated enough. Just because SUN released SO as open source doesn't mean I'm employed in thier testing department working for zero salary...

----------Well if it bothers you so much, use something else. No one is holding a gun to your head to use betas of any software.

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OO and SO are memory hogs
by Anonymous on Tue 27th Sep 2005 17:34 UTC
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have anyone checked OO or SO memory consumption. It is impossible to run on older computers. It takes forever to load also. Now dont push me to buy more memory because it is cheap! I can run MSO with same memory very efficiently.

my big question is will you risk an important presentation or report of being not formated well or glitches(minor to linux geeks) in front of your boss or a valuable meeting or conference
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you would rely on MSO for such important presentations.???

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re: If OO.org is still in beta ...
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Sep 2005 04:43 UTC
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"And StarOffice 8 is based on that, then what does that make StarOffice? And people accuse MS of releasing products that are still beta ;) "

Actually, the exact opposite is true. The fact that StarOffice 8 finally shipped is very, very good news for OO users. Because both OpenOffice and StarOffice are owned and developed by Sun, Sun has a policy of releasing StarOffice first. Then in a few weeks or a month, Sun moves OpenOffice into stable and makes an OpenOffice release. What this means is that OpenOffice 2 stable will be released any day now.

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RE: OO and SO are memory hogs
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Sep 2005 14:39 UTC
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I can run MSO with same memory very efficiently

I think that's because Windows has already pre-loaded much of the stuff needed for MSO and SO/OOo being multi-platform has to supply its own.
But I agree it'd be nice to see a smaller memory consumption in SO/OOo
An interresting thing would be to run MSO though Wine in linux and measure how much RAM MSO acctually uses.

my big question is will you risk an important presentation or report of being not formated well or glitches(minor to linux geeks) in front of your boss or a valuable meeting or conference or you would rely on MSO for such important presentations.???

Why would a presentation made in SO/OOo not be well formatted in front of your boss?
If it's made in MSO and presented in SO/OOo there might be minor layout differences, but surely you don't run a presentation of someone elses MSO document unrehersed (and unadjusted), do you?

- Peder

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