The first point release of the stable 2.12.x series of Gnome has been
released. This release includes the latest bugfixes and other
improvements such as updated translations.
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GNOME just gets better and better, it's just a pleasure to use.
1. Great apps, GIMP, Galeon, xchat, AbiWord, gaim,evince, Inkscape, f-spot, totem-plugin.
2. Loads of great gtk themes and easy to install.
3. Non Browser mode is great and you can even type a location from it with shortcut keys.
4. The new brower mode features are great as well, easier to move around.
5. The menu structure is awesome and easier than ever.
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Agreed. A desktop publishing app would be a big selling point for Gnome. The current feature list is looking a bit thin (compared, obviously, to KDE). While the apps that are there are really great (and I don't think KDE has anything like GIMP; am I correct?), bar a few issues like the additional features needed in Gedit, a few more are needed before Gnome is going to really look convincing as a full desktop environment.
On the other hand, I have no need for such things, and use Gnome every day very happily.
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Agreed. A desktop publishing app would be a big selling point for Gnome. The current feature list is looking a bit thin (compared, obviously, to KDE). While the apps that are there are really great (and I don't think KDE has anything like GIMP; am I correct?), bar a few issues like the additional features needed in Gedit, a few more are needed before Gnome is going to really look convincing as a full desktop environment.
On the other hand, I have no need for such things, and use Gnome every day very happily.
Run KDE apps on Gnome. Problem solved. Believe it or not, only geeks notice the difference. I installed SUSE 9.2 on my Aunt's PC, and Ubuntu 5.04 on my Mom's. I showed them how to use YaST/Synaptic, and set up Gnome for both of them.
I then get an email from my Aunt asking how to use Kopete, I use it for a minute myself then email her back and tell her. Keep in mind, she is running this on Gnome.
A few days later, I am at my Mom's house and look at her computer. She has Gnome running with Kooka, Konqueror (granted, I installed this one for her so she could use it as a file manager, she likes it better than Nautilus) and Kaffeine running. All KDE apps on Gnome. She didn't notice the difference.
Seeing as she isn't a geek, she didn't have a hissy fit over multiple toolkits being installed, and she doesn't lose sleep over not having a pure desktop.
Hell, I recently switched to KDE. Guess what some of the apps I use are? Liferea (GTK2 feed reader), Leafpad (GTK2 Text Editor), gtk-gnutella and the Gimp.
I say use the best tool for the job (whether it be a DE, WM or Application) no matter what its toolkit is.
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(and I don't think KDE has anything like GIMP; am I correct?)
Krita is shaping up nicely - layer control, lots of plugins, very very nice interface. Screenshots:
http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Krita-Screenshot-2254.ht...
http://www.koffice.org/krita/screenshots.php
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Krita is shaping up nicely - layer control, lots of plugins, very very nice interface. Screenshots:
Yer, they've done a really nice job with Krita with limited resources and for the time it's been around, especially considering the GIMP has been around for ten years. It's got to a stage now where people can really use it as an option, and any bugs you do happen to find can be filed.
I suppose it's aimed at Photoshop people, as it has a Photoshop-like interface, and they have stated that Krita was created for people who complain "There's no Photoshop replacement!" And no, the GIMP does not have some of the features that Photoshop migratees need despite what some people say on this forum.
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"The continued lack of a GTK DTP app is worrying."
There is a commercial one, if anyone remembers the old Atari ST and Amiga... the program is called Pagestream. yes, they are still around. They ported it over to linux and it uses GTK. There is a demo on their site. http://www.grasshopperllc.com/
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There is a commercial one, if anyone remembers the old Atari ST and Amiga..
Yep, I remember it, though I was always a Professional Page man myself (Amiga user). Always wondered what Gold Disk did with the Pro Page source code ? Is the source code just gathering dust, if so it's a shame it was a pretty good program. Still we have Scribus I suppose ...
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No need to worry, there is Passepartout ( http://www.stacken.kth.se/project/pptout/ ), although it doesn't really have the features, the momentum or the maturity that Scribus has. But it is there, if you absolutely can't use a Qt based application.
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I'm thinking of trying the new SUSE, but I would be flabbergasted if they had this new GNOME release tomorrow. Since SUSE wants to compete with RH, they will have to have careful UI. Incorporating a product that has just been changed the night before is not the was to do that. There is a thing called QA--well, at least I hope there is.
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Why? This release of Gnome is a bug fix release only. Most of the changes (all of which are bug fixes) will probably appear in SUSE 10 when it is released, although the version number will most likely stay at 2.12.0.
Now if they up and included a whole new version of Gnome, then I could see a cause for concern.
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Why? This release of Gnome is a bug fix release only. Most of the changes (all of which are bug fixes) will probably appear in SUSE 10 when it is released, although the version number will most likely stay at 2.12.0.
Now if they up and included a whole new version of Gnome, then I could see a cause for concern.
My job is software development, and not including the latest release of GNOME, even a point release, in your distro's next release is understandable, given that there is only one day between the two releases. Any change at all is a risk. Software must go through quite a bit of testing before managers can be fairly comfortable that the change has not broken something. I have made minor changes to one section of code that changes the formating that is applied to a string that gets populated in a text box, and the tech lead would no rebuild the code because the bug was not a showstopper. Since I changed the code, we would have to go back and perform all of our QA tests again to insure that everything was still solid.
Aside from just the potential of bugs introduced by the change, most, if not all, distros do not use the pure code as it comes from the upstream sources for major pieces of software, like X, KDE, GNOME, etc. They usually have to make some modifications such that things integrate well with their distro or to add their own features.
So, I would actually think negatively of Novell if they were to release Suse with GNOME 2.12.1 the day after that point release was declared stable.
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The best I can possibly think of is adding or including some experimental sources to your source.list. Since it goes stable, testing, unstable, and then experimental. I think that's what you need is experimental sources to get the absolute latest of everything, Sorry if that doesn't get you what you want, the best I can think of.
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http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-09-13-...
I'm an debian/unstable user and I'm used to have to wait a couple of months to see a gnome upgrade.
I'm not going to use alioth.
unstable is not unstable enough to have pkgs uploaded at a decent date ?
It's really frustrating to read those news saying 2.12 is great blah blah and what I can only do is to be jealous of them.
I don't have time to change distro.
Neither to do attempts to alioth (I did in the past but I had problems, sure it was a problem of mine).
As an unstable user, this morning I spent one hour to find that /etc/X11/X symlink was broken and how to fix it, I'd like to see more updates at a reasonable speed.
I'm not saying that after gnome is relased to have it soon, but waiting many months it's really frustrating.
BTW I will stick with 2.10, I will have to live with File Browser daily crashes hoping 2.12 will sove them.
Yesterday while working with files with Jedit , file browser crashed on the background.
I was working on the same directory.
But that's another story.
Sorry for my OT rant.
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BTW I will stick with 2.10, I will have to live with File Browser daily crashes hoping 2.12 will sove them.
That sure ain't a 2.10 bug, because I'm also running debian unstable with gnome 2.10 and never had such problem. I work about 10 hours with nautilus, having multiple windows open on remote locations. No crash at all.
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The hole idea is to have a menu that you dont need to edit, since new apps go the the relevent category. I understand why the gnome developers have not implemented a menu editor, just a simple one for 2.12.
Windows menu design is just bad and huge, no wonder you need to edit it.
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Well, that's great, but I don't want my menu to include everything. In windows I organise my menu as
start->
->internet
->multimedia
->utilities
->other
->Everything that would be on the main menu by default
Why shouldn't I be able to do it in gnome? KDE menu editor is a lot more difficult to do that in windows.
As for why would I want to add a link to an application: open office by default comes with links to writer, calc, etc. Sometimes I want to open OO without opening any files, so when I click on a link I get the document and it opens it no matter what the document type is.
My view of the computer is completely application-centric, not document-centric, which seems to be gnome's point of view (and koffice's too).
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Well perhaps there is a need for more GTK apps to become GNOME apps. The HIG is a positive thing. Surely the more unified and integrated things become the better it will be for everyone. Perhaps there needs to be a lot more encouragement for GTK application developers to do this.
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You still need parts of gnome to run gtk apps, some more than others. Even the dependences of GTK+ are part of gnome and for extra fuctionallity (like gnome vfs) which many GTK+ apps use.
Also GTK+ is gnome's toolkit, so why wouldn't you associate GTK+ apps with gnome?, thats just crazy.
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you dont need gnome to run gtk apps, you need gtk to run gnome apps. theres additional gnome libs on top of gtk, and for something to be part of gnome, it has to follow their human interface guidelines. gtk is the gimp toolkit, not the gnome toolkit.
HOWEVER, this is a matter of symantics for the vast majority of users. having it use the same toolkit makes it fit in enough not to stand out. ditto with qt vs kde apps. the main reason people make a big deal about this is if you are on a fanboi whose self worth is tied up with how many people think his DE is teh roxx0r, and feel threatend when someone praises a similar product he chooses not to use.
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RE: GTK apps and GNOME...
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It is not so much the problems are big but that they are not being addressed quickly enough. KDE quickly went from buggy to good and added many features (probably too many) after that point, most of which actually worked. We are still addressing old bugs that should have been resolved some time ago.
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Gnome is spreading on more desktopcomputers, but many people just don't know what eyecandy gnome is capable to. There's a lack of eyecandy and clean screenshots on the web. Basic configurations can be found, and lot's of messy screenshots to, but less screenshots that show how beautiful gnome can be.
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Hey. Why don't you post a couple of nice screenshots for us? I am not being sarcastic here, just curious. I have never seen Gnome match the eye-candy that KDE is capable of. I use KDE myself, not so much for the eyecandy but for the flexibility and Konqueror/smb4k combination. OK OK, I can run them on Gnome, but i just don't see the point.
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These screenshots are getting pretty old now, but anyways:
http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=14871643254...
http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=16825703504...
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