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Why break a good thing install it beside your already working install , so if you dont like it you can go back to what you like. I dont know why people upgrade , its free to install the full thing.

If you set your system up properly it doesn't matter. If you have a /home partition you can simply reinstall and be careful not to format your /home.
Otherwise, well, format correctly next time .

I do have a separate /home partition.

But the problem with reinstalling is...

I'll have to reinstall eeeeeeeeeevery software i have already installed Every plugin Oh man, reinstalling sucks big time...

surely withholding the source even for a limted time is not allowed?

The source is in Cooker, I'm sure.

They can certainly withhold the binary, though.

Obviously, you have no idea what you are talking about...
Just because it is GPL does not mean there has to be a download available.

They could in fact only release the source code to people who write into the company, in triplicate, on green paper, with pink ink. That would still be acceptable under the GPL.

I don't believe there's a part of the GPL relating to those who assemble packages together having to release the source they haven't changed. Most of Mandrake is just specific builds....
So frankly, stfu kid.

well i would say that making it difficult to obtain the source is not in the spirit of the gpl. and if someone does that but is technically not breaching the gpl, i'm not sure i would put my trust in those people (sco linux?).

debian is free and always available. and so are the BSDs.

I love Mandriva, and have always used it alone and recommended it to others for a number of versions now. But, cable modem <--> linux server/masking <--> home lan has never worked out of the box for me. The firewall always got configured wrong.

I was a paying club member for a year and I have wondered if versions downloaded from the club work better than free ones available later? Anyone else have more hassles getting them set up and upgraded and working? Anyone know if the isos/files are exactly the same as the standard club isos/files?

For open source in general; if you have it, and are going to give it out free in 30 days, what's keeping you from giving it out now? Well, it's the money, because if you do pay, you 'can' get it now.

Now just because they wrote it does not mean they have to give it out. They could write it and throw their code away if they want. People have to be able to make a living off their work though (in general), and they could be living in that tension between wanting to do this work in particular and needing to make a living. The problem is that making it available for free you discover the reality that people won't pay you if they don't have to.

The versions Club members get aren't the same as the public download.

Here's how it splits up:

Mandriva Free: public download edition
4-CD Club edition: for Standard Club members: is basically Free plus a CD of commercial stuff
PowerPack: the standard boxed release, and the version Silver club members get
PowerPack+: the SOHO release, Gold club members get this
Discovery: for beginners, Gold and Silver club members can download it

Free is 100% free (as in speech) software. It's a fully functional distro. All the other versions include some non-free, commercial stuff in addition to the free software stuff - pre-packaged nvidia and ATI drivers, skype, acrobat reader, java, stuff like that. This is the main added value for people who buy packs and Club members. They also include additional free software packages, but these are also put on our public FTP mirrors, so anyone who downloads Free can get these same packages just by setting up an urpmi media.

The packages that are present on both Free and the commercial releases are identical. The only differences between the releases are packages present on some and not present on others (aside from Discovery, which has some tweaks to make it better for newbies).

Mandriva ARE the spirit of the GPL they make all there software GPL and release them for all to use every year and then they support them , they dont stop or spin them off when they cant do the job they keep working at it , they also have paid developper to do so , paid by there community who is one of the few that is Loyal and not leechs. There not difficult to obtain at all ( the source) if you really whant them.

They have nothing to proove to you anonymous or anyone else. They have the track record that show that they unlike you deliver every year.

You get the source on cd in the box set. That's all they have to provide, source to the binary users, not to everyone.

if this is built with GPL software - where is the download? surely withholding the source even for a limted time is not allowed?

personally i don't think there's a future for companies that do this - there is profit in support but not sales. its not as if they print a nice book on the major subsystems and include that with the boxed sets.

please either get a clue, or STFU. Mandriva has absolutely no obligation to give you the source to their products, unless they sell or give you a binary. The only time they would be is if they sold boxed copies without including the source code in the box, even if not to you. They have clearly not done this, since the article summary says boxes go on sale next month.

Again, please read the GPL or STFU.

Don't think so FUDster.. try a more modern troll from the last three years or so.

I am running 2005 on a pIII thinkpad with belkin wireless pcmia card, sitting here at PANERA. wireless and mandriva; NO PROBLEM.

javajazz

We included X.org 6.9 because we wanted to support the i9xx graphics chipsets in recent and upcoming laptops - a _lot_ of laptops will ship with these chipsets in the next year. Stability hasn't been a problem, but there has been regression in support for a few cards (some Nvidia and some Matrox cards have serious problems with the free drivers in 2006 - the proprietary nvidia driver works fine). This will be fixed with a package update very shortly, we hope (an updated X.org package that fixes the nv issue is in testing at the moment).

This is very important information. It should be written somewhere in an FAQ, in a WIKI, or on the main webside to sell Mandrake 2006. It's important, to understand why mandriva choose to include a not-final release of mandriva xorg 6.9. So:
* Is a feature, because it allows using i9xx graphics chipset
* There will be an update later, then xorg 6.9 final is out.

It's already mentioned in the Errata.

There won't necessarily be an update to final; it will depend on what bugs are found. For now the major bug is in the nv driver, which was fixed upstream in X.org already, so we only need a later CVS snapshot to fix that (it is already being tested).

Then why wasn't the new drivers just backported to 6.8.2 instead?

The were expecting 6.9 to be released, which hasn't been the case. Somewhat, that's a good thing, because a lot of bugs have been sent upstream, and this is good for everyone.

koffice is at 1.4.1.

Is it included with this Mandriva release or will there only be OpenOffice.org?

koffice, oo.o 1.1.5 and 2.0, abiword and gnumeric are all packaged in 2006. They should all be on the Powerpack edition.

u need to be quit being grouchy. i am using the
latest Mandriva 64 2006 on a amd 3800x2 and it
is running fast and beautifully.

also im overclocked over 600 megahertz at the moment.

Just check the OSDir RC2 screenshots. Nothing changed graphically since then.