Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 7th Oct 2005 11:30 UTC, submitted by Anton Paulic
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 is now available for download. Also known as the 1.8 Beta 5 milestone, this is the last beta release of the next major Firefox update and is aimed at testers, extension/theme authors and Web developers. The final release of Firefox 1.5, which will be widely promoted to end-users, is scheduled for later this year.
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Lovely stuff
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 14:55 UTC
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Running beautifully here, on both Windows and Linux. I had a few crashes with beta 1, but it was still very usable and enjoyable. I reckon this beauty is nearly cooked now, don't know why the final version is taking so long!

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RE: Lovely stuff
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:15 UTC in reply to "Lovely stuff"
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I think they're doing the finishing touches before they do a RC and then God willing, it will go gold. I am not sure if a RC is planned, but they should issue it anyway just in case.

Cycloneous The Warrior

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OSX
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:26 UTC
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As allway's work's 100% on Mac OSX.

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Working great on archlinux.
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:31 UTC
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Awesome stuff. It seems like a lot less of those, "window just disappears" crashes happen since beta 1!
Congrats to the Mozilla devs.

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v How to bootstrap firefox
by libray on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:49 UTC
RE: How to bootstrap firefox
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:55 UTC in reply to "How to bootstrap firefox"
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Firefox is _not_, I repeat, NOT an operating system. It is a web browser.

An operating system is a program that manages other programs and services. Firefox only browses the web.

If you want to replace your operating system, looking into thinks like "Linux", "Mac OSX", etc.

Firefox only aims to replace the "IE" in "windows + IE"

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RE[2]: How to bootstrap firefox
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:09 UTC in reply to "RE: How to bootstrap firefox"
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lol.. i'm sure he was kidding...

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RE[2]: How to bootstrap firefox
by jessta on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE: How to bootstrap firefox"
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An operating system is a program that manages other programs and services.
Ummm...and your saying that Firefox doesn't want to do this?
- Jesse McNelis

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RE[2]: How to bootstrap firefox
by martinus on Fri 7th Oct 2005 18:39 UTC in reply to "RE: How to bootstrap firefox"
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> If you want to replace your operating system, looking into thinks like "Linux", "Mac OSX", etc.

Or emacs!

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>> If you want to replace your operating system, looking into thinks like "Linux", "Mac OSX", etc.

>Or emacs!


Now _that_ is funny!

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>>> If you want to replace your operating system, looking into thinks like "Linux", "Mac OSX", etc.

>>Or emacs!

>Now _that_ is funny!

Err, you do know there is such a thing as EmacsOS, right? ;)

http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/images/emacsos.gif
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/misc.html (scroll down)

Of course, it was mainly a prank..

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performance
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:50 UTC
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Just trying out Firefox 1.5 Beta 2. It seem not much different than Beta 1 but it is blazing fast! They've done an excellent job.

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Speed
by IceCubed on Fri 7th Oct 2005 15:56 UTC
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It starts faster (a second faster than 1.5b1 on my computer) and some pages are rendered better.
Can't wait for 1.5 final

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Memory leaks
by DHofmann on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:09 UTC
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I hope they're working on the memory leaks. If I keep the browser open, after a few days the memory usage goes up to around 200MB and I have to restart the browser.

The workaround at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Talk:Memory_Leak (setting "browser.cache.memory.capacity") doesn't seem to work.

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RE: Memory leaks
by t_wheeler2002 on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:22 UTC in reply to "Memory leaks"
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You must browse more than I do because for me it's usually not noticeable until after a couple weeks ;) , but this has been a thorn in my side too ever since I switched (first to Moz then to FF). And IMO this is a fairly significant usability issue. The typical user just sees FF "slow down", and with the number of machines that only have 128MB or 256MB it doesn't take much of a leak to impact performance significantly.

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RE[2]: Memory leaks
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 21:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Memory leaks"
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an operating system is the BASE program that everything else runs on top of. firefox just runs the web, not everything on your computer, therefore its NOT an os. lol.

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RE[2]: Memory leaks
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 17:27 UTC in reply to "Memory leaks"
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A couple of hours and it eats up 50~90 MB of my memory! There MUST be a problem, would any of you plz e-mail me which extensions you use?

Thx in advance

rEzA
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RE[3]: Memory leaks
by Anonymous on Sat 8th Oct 2005 20:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Memory leaks"
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download fast defrag

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not too excited
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:24 UTC
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I tried out 1.5 and besides a few minor improvements, it is very similar to 1.0. This is not necessarily a bad thing since Firefox 1.0 is good enough to be my primary browser. But it seems like 1.5 is more like 1.1 than 1.5 to me. I guess it's hard to improve an already excellent product.
Anyways, when 1.5 comes out, I will be sure to migrate to it. But I can wait and am perfectly happy with Firefox at the momment.

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v Opera vs Firefox
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:51 UTC
v IE in longhorn
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 16:53 UTC
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As advised on http://mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7501, Beta 1 users who are willing to help testing the new update system must wait a couple of days before they can upgrade their Beta 1 into Beta 2 using the integrated Firefox Update.

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BeOS build
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 17:10 UTC
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We have also BeOS build with really fantastically improved scrolling and justified text rendering, waiting for some good soul to upload it to contrib folder.

Main benefir with those improvements is fact that for BeOS users OsNews.com don't look and feel anymore like site with most lame design in the world:)

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v Firefox is an OPERATING SYSTEM
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 17:36 UTC
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*LOL*

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SVG: GDI+ to Cairo
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 20:06 UTC
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What I find interesting, for windows users, is SVG rendering changes. Previous revisions used GDI+ graphics library, but now beta2 uses opensource Cairo library. They say its easier to manager multiple platforms with unified Cairo package.

But it will damage SVG rendering speed a bit in Windows boxes for sure.

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RE: SVG: GDI+ to Cairo
by Anonymous on Fri 7th Oct 2005 23:01 UTC in reply to "SVG: GDI+ to Cairo"
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Speed tradeoffs are a short-term issue. Long-term, the Cairo library will surpass the GDI+

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RE[2]: SVG: GDI+ to Cairo
by Anonymous on Sat 8th Oct 2005 06:31 UTC in reply to "RE: SVG: GDI+ to Cairo"
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"Speed tradeoffs are a short-term issue. Long-term, the Cairo library will surpass the GDI+"
What makes Cairo surpass GDI+ in a (far) future?

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RE: SVG: GDI+ to Cairo
by Anonymous on Sat 8th Oct 2005 09:45 UTC in reply to "SVG: GDI+ to Cairo"
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[quote] But it will damage SVG rendering speed a bit in Windows boxes for sure.[/quote]

if cairo is slower than GDI+, god help us all..

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Still tons of print preview bugs
by Marcellus on Fri 7th Oct 2005 21:51 UTC
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I don't see how they can call this the last beta when they still haven't fixed bugs in print preview that's been known for ages.

One of them being the inability to use the scroll wheel of a mouse, if you move the mouse pointer into an area of the paper that is not in a rectangle containing things that should be printed.
Print margin area is a perfect example of where the scroll wheel don't work.

One thing that I haven't noticed in earlier versions is that it takes several seconds to open the print preview at all.

Also a new bug is that Portrait and Landscape shows exactly the same layout, with the Scale setting having no effect at all on what you see in the print preview window.
That the viewport (or what you prefer to call it) is much larger than the window is, horizontally is an annoyance.

Another annoyance that's been there for ages is triggered by the following;
1: Change Page Style from Basic Page Style to No Style
2: Do a Print Preview
3: Close Print Preview
4: The window is back to using Basic Page Style

I haven't had time to test it enough to determine if it still loses focus in the address bar, while claiming it still have focus there. (Caret is blinking but you can't do anything unless you explicity force focus back there with the mouse or other.
The same lost focus issue have been there in the window where you see the web pages as well.

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I don't see how they can call this the last beta when they still haven't fixed bugs in print preview that's been known for ages.

Probably because while these are annoyances, they aren't important enough to block the entire release. Personally, I'm glad because I don't want to wait extra weeks so they can fix a couple of bugs that don't even affect me. Although these are minor enough they could be fixed in one of the release candidates.

Don't get me wrong, all bugs are bad and should be fixed as soon as possible. It's just that eventually you reach a point of diminishing returns. If MS or Linus tried to fix every single bug in their OS every time they released a new version the next versions would never come out.

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So, beta2...
by Varg Vikernes on Sat 8th Oct 2005 02:36 UTC
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Can someone informed tell me exactly why there was a need for a bloated menu? What was the problem with the "old" one (in 1.0x). It seems that you can do pretty much anything with 3 or less clicks in 1.0x but the new "improved" menu makes me click at least 3 or 4 times before getting to the setting I search for. Not even mentioning how many unused space is left in the settings menu...

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Plugin Problems
by Anonymous on Sat 8th Oct 2005 03:13 UTC
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Am I the only one who is having problems with plugins (quicktime, flash, acrobat, etc.)??

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