Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Oct 2005 10:47 UTC, submitted by Big Richard
FreeBSD A rather ambitious new FreeBSD-derived distribution called BSD-HALO is currently in the planning and proof of concept stages. Amongst other things, one of the biggest goals is to attempt to produce a virus, malware, and exploit resistant environment. UI will also be a major design factor, and some pre-alpha screenshots can be viewed on the site as well.
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by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 12:31 UTC
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Now people can stop complaining about Linux distributions since FreeBSD forks and distros are arriving left and right

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RE: Good
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 14:20 UTC in reply to "Good"
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This is so so true. And rather amusing ;)

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RE: Good
by ValiantSoul on Wed 19th Oct 2005 15:00 UTC in reply to "Good"
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There are FreeBSD forks but there is still a main FreeBSD in which they derive from and plus try naming the "distros" of linux and FreeBSD
FreeBSD NetBSD (from NetBSD is OpenBSD) PC-BSD DragonFly BSD GoBSD BSD-HALO
I would say Darwin but its very much based on Mach too

Peanut Linux, arch linux, ASPLinux, BrlSpeak, ClarkConnect, CollegeLinux, Connectiva, Debian, DEM Linux, elx, EnGuard, Fedora, Gentoo, Gibraltar, icepack linux, IMMUNIX, JBLINUX, K-12 Linux, KNOPPIX, Libranet, linex, LinuxPPC, Lycoris, Mandrake Linux, PLD, RedHat, Rock Linux, slackware linux, SmoothWall, Server Optimized linux, Sorcerer, turbolinux, UnitedLinux, TSL, Yellow Dog, Vector linux
I'm sure the list goes on (list from linuxiso.org)

NOTE I did not say there was a main linux they derive from because linux is just a kernel while FreeBSD is an entire operating system - somtimes I think people forget that.

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RE[2]: Good
by ariel on Wed 19th Oct 2005 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Good"
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I agree with you. FreeBSD have a few forks.. even DragonFly is the most important of then still having a lot of FreeBSD-code inside.

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RE: Good
by molnarcs on Wed 19th Oct 2005 15:05 UTC in reply to "Good"
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Well, that is not exactly the same thing with FreeBSD. The main project supports 2 or 3 branches at any particular time. No matter which branch (preferably always the latest btw) a "fork" chooses, it will have the same integrated base to build upon. While with linux, incompatibilities may rise on multiple levels, with BSD "forks" you can at least depend on libc and compat.xxx packages, that assures at the very least ports compatibility, and probably binary package compatibility among these projects.

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Alright
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 13:29 UTC
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BSD-HALO exists since ten years, but its called OpenBSD ...

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RE: Alright
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 13:40 UTC in reply to "Alright"
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What they want to do has not been done before to my knowledge. Even OpenBSD does not protect against a naive or stupid user. These guys want to implement a system where only the applications that have been authorised will be allowed to run. This approach is the opposite of the usual "allow any binary to run".

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v hmmm
by dukes on Wed 19th Oct 2005 14:19 UTC
RE: hmmm
by Lazarus on Wed 19th Oct 2005 16:57 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
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"SELinux anyone?"

* Access Control Lists
* Event Auditing and OpenBSM
* Extended Attributes
* Fine-Grained Capabilities
* Mandatory Access Control
* Security-Enhanced BSD (SEBSD)

http://www.trustedbsd.org/components.html

Why bother if you're already using FreeBSD? This article has nothing to do with either Linux or FreeBSD proper, and both your post and this one of mine should be modded into oblivion. I'll start by voting yours down.

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Ooops
by ValiantSoul on Wed 19th Oct 2005 15:02 UTC
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Woops I missed SuSE, SELinux, Yoper, CentOS, MEPIS, Xandros, and a sh*t load more - see http://distrowatch.com/

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RE: Ooops
by dukes on Wed 19th Oct 2005 15:03 UTC in reply to "Ooops"
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We got the point. :^)

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v BSD
by Tom K on Wed 19th Oct 2005 16:33 UTC
Skip X - the future
by Haicube on Wed 19th Oct 2005 17:01 UTC
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I love alternatives, but for any desktop experience, if it's based on anything with X I'm sure it will not succeed.

This is what really makes me discouraged about alternatives to MS (desktopwise). Everything is based on X which is sluggish etc.

Howabout these Halo guys adopting something like Haikus Appserver+Tracker. That'd be a lot more exciting. Or if not Haikus, check Syllable or something.

I'm confident that I'm not alone about my feeling towards X (saying X, I mean for example Fluxbox, gnome, KDE, CDE etc).

Otherwise, it's all fine and dandy =)

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RE: Skip X - the future
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 21:11 UTC in reply to "Skip X - the future"
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Give it some time. The X11 de facto implementation, XFree86, had stagnated for a few years now, and the new X.org implementation has been busy cleaning things up. With the new modular framework, X's development will really take off, because it will be a _lot_ simpler to make changes and innovate.

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Hey I got an idea
by Ronald Vos on Wed 19th Oct 2005 17:22 UTC
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Let's make a new desktop, only better!

Uhrr..another desktop that's better than all the rest?

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More secure IS better
by renox on Wed 19th Oct 2005 18:35 UTC in reply to "Hey I got an idea"
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If you think about all the hours lost on Windows with either viruses or buggy anti-virus sofware..

Now of course, security is only one factor, but an important one!

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RE: Skip X - the future
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 19:59 UTC
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I have FreeBSD with Xorg and GNOME as my main desktop, on a Dell Dimension pentium 2400, and it's not sluggish at all. So IMO there are three options.. Or you just echo some opinion and actually never tried it, or your hardware is incompatible, or you didn't configure it the way it should be configured. How can you blame XFree86 or Xorg for that?

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RE[2]: Skip X - the future
by Haicube on Wed 19th Oct 2005 20:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Skip X - the future"
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Oh I tried them alright, PLENTY of times... as in almost every day. I still don't feel comfortable with 'em. At the moment 3800+ with 2gig RAM. I hardly think my HW is the problem (never has been).

I just think that X and all desktops based on X lacks a lot of looknfeel... and ofcourse, that opinion gets voted down. Geee I'm so surprised by all the open minds about other peoples opinions.

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uh?
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 20:44 UTC
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i don't get the point of the sshots.

it's just kde with an awful color scheme and an interesting menubar on top

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RE: RE[2]: Skip X - the future
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 21:15 UTC
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I just think that X and all desktops based on X lacks a lot of looknfeel... and ofcourse, that opinion gets voted down.

The question is more, what are your experiences based on?

Just some Linux distro's with automatic installers that not always configure X.org the way it should be configured?

Is your opinion based on the lack of packages, in other words, the lack of packages that a distibution may have?

Is it based on a default ugly theme/iconset?

Microsoft copied much of the GUI of KDE/GNOME to XP and much of the gui of KDE/GNOME/MacOSX/Looking glass to Vista.

IE7 will get finally tabbed browsing, MSN does not have it and I guess will never get it. So what's the point? Why you post in this thread if you prefer the copycatting/marketing of Windows?

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Choice is good, here is some...
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Oct 2005 21:42 UTC
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BSD derivatives:
1. BSD/OS (defunct)
2. 386BSD (superseded by FreeBSD)
3. FreeBSD
4. NetBSD
5. NeXTSTEP
6. HPBSD (defunct)
7. Ultrix (defunct)
8. SunOS (superseded by Solaris)
9. AOS (defunct)

FreeBSD derivatives:
1. BSD-HALO
2. BSDeviant
3. ClosedBSD
4. DesktopBSD (Userland/Kernel synchronized with FreeBSD)
5. DragonFly BSD
6. FireFlyBSD (derived from DragonFly BSD)
7. FreeSBIE (live CD version)
8. Frenzy
9. Ging
10. GoBSD (derived from DragonFly BSD)
11. GuLIC-BSD
12. m0n0wall
13. PC-BSD (Userland/Kernel synchronized with FreeBSD)
14. PicoBSD
15. TrianceOS
16. TrustedBSD (not an OS, a project for FreeBSD and Darwin)
17. pfSense

FreeBSD related derivatives:
1. Darwin (Mac OS X Core; derivative of FreeBSD and NeXTSTEP)
2. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, FreeBSD kernel ported to GNU.
3. Gentoo/FreeBSD

NetBSD derivatives:1. NetBSD-Office
2. OpenBSD

OpenBSD derivatives:
1. ekkoBSD (defunct)
2. MicroBSD (defunct)
3. MirOS BSD

NeXTSTEP derivatives:
1. OpenStep (superseded by Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server)

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why not post-install scripts?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 00:10 UTC
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seems silly to me - why not just take freebsd and add these "features" as additional packages or scripts? you don't need to fork an OS to do that!

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RE: why not post-install scripts?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 09:08 UTC in reply to "why not post-install scripts?"
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Yes you do! Thesedays, when someone even changes the man page for 'ls', they fork their own OS or distro! It's forking madness I tells ya!

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v no, not KDE
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 12:44 UTC