Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 20th Oct 2005 02:17 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes VMWare released today the VMWare Player, a freely downloadable tool that 'plays' virtual machines (it just doesn't let you create any). This can prove a very important tool for OS makers who would like to demo their OS to new users, users who don't want to burn live CDs and also keep the OS makers safe from any hardware incompatibilities in the user's machine (as the OS would run inside VMWare Player, the compatibility is always guaranteed). VMWare already posted a demo for their VMWare Player, a 200 MB 'Browser Appliance' based on Ubuntu.
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Thats a Good Thing (tm)
by Johan on Thu 20th Oct 2005 02:33 UTC
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looks like the aqusition by old industry EMC has not stifled VMWare's progression and innovaation.

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VMWare Benefits?
by Roguelazer on Thu 20th Oct 2005 02:41 UTC
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I've never had an excuse to use VMWare... What benefits does it offer over emulators like qemu and bochs? How about versus everybody's favorite VM/emulator buzzword, Xen?

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RE: VMWare Benefits?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 03:03 UTC in reply to "VMWare Benefits?"
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I've never had an excuse to use VMWare... What benefits does it offer over emulators like qemu and bochs? How about versus everybody's favorite VM/emulator buzzword, Xen?

Its more polished, simpler to configure, and a good deal faster than qemu or bochs. As for Xen, thats a bit of a different animal. Xen has its own niche, at least in the OSS world.

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RE: VMWare Benefits?
by John Blink on Thu 20th Oct 2005 03:07 UTC in reply to "VMWare Benefits?"
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In short it is mature, fast and reliable.

Also on the left there is a search tool, type 'vmware'.

From doing that, I came up with http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7899

Which is an article about the two leading virtualisation software products.

BTW, I like VPC too.

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RE: VMWare Benefits?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 14:48 UTC in reply to "VMWare Benefits?"
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Thanks for mentioning qemu that looks interesting.
But really you can't compare VMWARE with Bochs.
Bochs is a full emulator--it's relatively SLOW, vmware is more a virtualizer. It's more akin to qemu's accelator(it appears) or plex86. And Xen is better than VMWare in speed, but requires that your OS be written to run on the XEN Virtual Machine, IIRC.

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RE[2]: VMWare Benefits?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 16:26 UTC in reply to "RE: VMWare Benefits?"
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"And Xen is better than VMWare in speed, but requires that your OS be written to run on the XEN Virtual Machine, IIRC."

It actually requires the HOST operating system to be modified to work. That's why its not available for Windows yet.

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RE[3]: VMWare Benefits?
by Anonymous on Fri 21st Oct 2005 00:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: VMWare Benefits?"
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Xen requires support from the host kernel. So does VMWare. Some of the stuff they do simply can not be done from user-space applications. That's not the reason that Xen can't run on Windows as a host OS.

Xen does require than the GUEST operating system be modified to run under Xen. The technique it uses is called paravirtualization, and allows Xen to run much faster than VMWare (especially in I/O performance). That's why Xen can only run open source OSes at the moment.

When processors with hardware virtualization support become available from AMD and Intel, that restriction will be lifted.

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hmmmm
by ZaNkY on Thu 20th Oct 2005 02:44 UTC
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Seems like an interesting idea....thats been done over and over again. Gotta look into it though......

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Use the trial
by John Blink on Thu 20th Oct 2005 03:01 UTC
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So I use the trial create my VM's and run forever using this software.

Sounds good to me.

Or buy one license and create the VM's on that machine and then copy the VM's to other machines in the house or a external USB HDD. Never leave home without your OS!

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RE: Use the trial
by bogomipz on Thu 20th Oct 2005 12:10 UTC in reply to "Use the trial"
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. One could even create a generic machine with an empty HD image using the evaluation version, store that away, and then make copies and install any system from CDs under the free player. Unless the player is crippled so you can't access CDs, that is.

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RE[2]: Use the trial
by John Blink on Thu 20th Oct 2005 21:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Use the trial"
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I was able to run Knoppix in it. I just don't think you can resize partitions.

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RE[3]: Use the trial
by bogomipz on Fri 21st Oct 2005 06:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Use the trial"
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Right, the way I know VMWare you can't change the size of a disk image, but since the image "grows" you can make it as many gigs you like and it still won't be that big until it gets filled with actual data. Because the image represents a disk, I believe you can have partitions on it and change their sizes as you wish, I'm not sure how partitions would affect the growing feature though.

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Interesting Event...
by HeLfReZ on Thu 20th Oct 2005 03:42 UTC
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Think this has got anything to do with the Xen team knocking at the back door? I'd say yes...VERY good strategic move by VMware team...downloading the program and browser appliance now, if its lightweight then its gonna be interesting to watch the impact, the ability to run vmachine across the entire office without paying for 200 licenses for vmware itself is a very interesting beast...go go gadget vmachines...kudos for linux and windows player at the same time

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ReactOS VMWare images
by Celerate on Thu 20th Oct 2005 03:42 UTC
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It would be interesting now if ReactOS images were available for VMWare, the commercial VM gets better benchmarks than QEmu all the time.

Anyone know of a web site where VMWare images can be downloaded?

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vms to download
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 04:34 UTC
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There are a handful of good images on VMware's website:

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/

You can play with a preinstalled oracle, weblogic + portal and all the gadgets, etc.

Hopefully after this release a lot more folks will get into the act and provide sample images. E.g. it'd be nice to play around with a new rev of OpenBSD without having to go through the whole install.

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RE: vms to download
by Celerate on Thu 20th Oct 2005 04:54 UTC in reply to "vms to download"
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Those aren't the operating systems I had in mind, but thanks anyway.

I'm waiting until I can run something like ReactOS in VMWare, it beats Qemu which doesn't seem to run it very fast. Interestingly enough I can run Windows 98 in Qemu with reasonable speed, but not ReactOS which I expect is lighter.

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More accessible
by JustThinkIt on Thu 20th Oct 2005 04:37 UTC
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This should make the testing of new OSes (or OS features) more accessible. Currently Live CDs tend to be full blown as they are competing OS to OS. With a click-to-try approach such as this, a particular featureset can be demonstrated, or a very minimal trial environment. And not only do you not need to burn a CD, you don't even need to reboot, or suffer the sloth of a CD-ROM drive. All in all this should help people try out other OSes and OS features. I like it.

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i wonder ...
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 04:49 UTC
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If there are restrictions on ppl providing virtual machines for others !

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http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 05:19 UTC
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Is impossible to read in Firefox, linux. I had to use Opera.

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Works fine here too.
do you have javascript turned off?
but, I do hate sites that pointlessly use javascript for navigation. Hyperlinks were created for a reason.

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Works fine in Firefox
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 05:35 UTC
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Works just fine for me, Firefox 1.0.6. Something wrong with your Firefox setup, perhaps??

-Gnobuddy

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RE: Works fine in Firefox
by fretinator on Thu 20th Oct 2005 14:59 UTC in reply to "Works fine in Firefox"
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Is impossible to read in Firefox, linux. I had to use Opera.

Works fine in Firefox 1.07 on Mandriva 2006.

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Works fine in Firefox, part deux
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 05:37 UTC
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sorry, forgot to mention, on Gentoo Linux 2005.1

-Gnobuddy

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Debian Sid here. Normally Firefox renders all Web Pages fine.

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VM upgrade/software installation???
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 06:14 UTC
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If I run ubuntu VM in VMWare Player am I able to do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade to keep my ubuntu VM up-to-date? Or do I need VMWare Workstation to update or install new software to existing VM.

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As far as I can tell, the Browser Appliance isn't limited like that. It's pretty stripped down, but Apt is there (and Synaptic as well) and the sources are fine. It's Hoary-based, not Breezy.

The user account password (needed for sudo) is "vmware"--a lucky guess on my part, couldn't find it documented.

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Reformatting
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 06:44 UTC
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Whats to stop a user from reformatting the virtual disk and use the browser appliance machine for her own needs?

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RE: Reformatting
by charles on Fri 21st Oct 2005 21:58 UTC in reply to "Reformatting"
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Nothing. I've installed several Linux distro's into the virtual disk images by modifying the .vmx file to specify a .iso and boot from that. I know of others who have installed various versions of Windows under it as well.

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Qemu
by ghen on Thu 20th Oct 2005 06:45 UTC
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What's new here? e.g. ReactOS has been offering preloaded Qemu-images, together with Linux+Windows binaries of Qemu all the time.

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RE: Qemu
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 06:56 UTC in reply to "Qemu"
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Qemu (with kqemu also) slow like a hell if you want to run XP images or linux images.

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RE: Qemu
by bogomipz on Thu 20th Oct 2005 12:19 UTC in reply to "Qemu"
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The difference is that VMWare is a commercial product. Prior to this, you couldn't use it without either paying for a license or fetching a new trial license each month (and come up with a new working email address each time).

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Haiku
by John Blink on Thu 20th Oct 2005 06:54 UTC
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Eventually it will be cool if Haiku would run in this player too.

This free player is good for impulse buyers.

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Free until when ?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 08:46 UTC
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The install license always refer to a Beta program, the free "beta" license may end as soon a comercial version is released...

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Separate vm creator
by lagitus on Thu 20th Oct 2005 09:05 UTC
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I'm afraid it won't be long until someone releases a separate, free vm creator script/program. It can't be very hard to do. I wonder how VMWare would respond to that. Hopefully not with arbitrary legal restrictions or some ridiculous encryption scheme.

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RE: Separate vm creator
by mjmoran on Thu 20th Oct 2005 09:51 UTC in reply to "Separate vm creator"
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I don't honestly think it would matter. There all always ways around programs, and there are always people who will download the demo and google for a serial code. I have to assume that the player lacks some functionality or advanced features, and even if it doesn't and someone creates a set of scripts, thats probably not vmware's market. After all, if you want to install linux on Windows, you can always use colinux. Not as much polish, but it works and its free.
This would allow for an easy way to let people demo their os(as the teaser says) and I can see this being useful for a group of people who want to test cross-platform apps. That way they need one copy of vmware to create the image, and the developers can use the image to test their app.

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RE: Separate vm creator
by martink on Thu 20th Oct 2005 14:23 UTC in reply to "Separate vm creator"
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QEMU can use vmdk disk image format - "VMware 3 and 4 compatible image format" (man qemu-img). If the Player can use this older format, one can create the image in QEMU and use it in VMWare.

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RE: Separate vm creator
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 14:34 UTC in reply to "Separate vm creator"
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The qemu-img tool that comes with QEmu is already capable of reading VMWare format disk image files, or converting between various disk image formats. The virtual machine configuration file is just a plain text file, and even though there are a lot of options, it would not be at all difficult to write a simple program to create them. The player seems to regenerate missing data (like incorrect UUIDs, or missing NVRAM files) automatically, just like VMWare Workstation does, so that's not a problem either.

They may have put some preventative measures in place, but they know that they'll be ineffective. If someone wants to use VMWare Player inappropriately, they're going to do it regardless. So their strategy is obviously more complicated than that.

Hmm... I must try this thing out with a Linux LiveCD. Assuming they haven't crippled it to prevent booting from a CD (I certainly would have), it could prove quite useful.

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Anyone know...
by smitty_one_each on Thu 20th Oct 2005 10:08 UTC
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If I virtualize my LoseXP under Gentoo, will the hardware like the firewire port, that I haven't configured under GNU/Linux, be visible to XP?

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RE: Anyone know... by smitty_one_each
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 16:23 UTC in reply to "Anyone know..."
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No, hardware that is not configured on the host OS is not available on the guest OS. So your firewire port would not be available.

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Boot from .iso?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 10:39 UTC
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Does VMWare player still allow boot from a user-selectable .iso? If so, somebody could create a series of "Blank Hard Drive" virtual machines (which would only be a few kb downloads, due to compression) and then we could install anything we wanted on them.

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It won't install alongside VMWare workstation, at least not on win32... Seems like a silly restriction, means one cannot create the VM's and test them in player on the same machine...

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I would think that's in order to prevent casual misuse.
The full VMWare Workstation installation contains the player (as does the demo).

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Somethings amiss
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 11:28 UTC
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They are basing their Webbrowser on Ubuntu - but doesn't provide a deb for Ubuntu!
What a shame. The vmware player tar.gz tries to install all sorts of hibbujavvi startupscripts and kernel modules - not something I am going to do. The rpm cannot be converted to deb either.

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No uninstaller
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 12:31 UTC
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I can't uninstall the Windows version. Also the player crashed on my machine.

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Re: Works fine in Firefox, part deux
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 12:44 UTC
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I'm on Gentoo 2005.1 as well, Firefox 1.0.7. Works fine here....

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RE: Qemu
by ghen on Thu 20th Oct 2005 14:15 UTC
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Ok, then I'll rephrase my question; what's new here, technically?

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root password on "Browser Appliance"?
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 16:46 UTC
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It's running Ubuntu, that's about all I know. Anyone know what the root password is? Can't sudo without it.

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It's Ubuntu, there is no root account. With sudo, the vmware user's passwords is (surprise) vmware.

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Brilliant Move
by stevetures on Thu 20th Oct 2005 17:29 UTC
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VMware stays pertinent. They are:

- Solidifying their stance as a company commited to the usefulness of virtualization. Why not?! You may find it slow but with all of the mom and pops running around with 3.2 GHz beasts of machine, maybe they can put their machine to good use and learn about alternative tech.

- Gifting something that has been lacking with the industry. Qemu can be a pain to setup quickly, and their image support is a little lame.

Now maybe if they open-sourced some of their codebase... hmm... (riiight)

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Awesome
by akro on Thu 20th Oct 2005 21:18 UTC
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Well I reconfigured the boot sequence to boot from my Suse 10 ISO and surprise surprise the installation started just fine. It looks like the drive is writable between reboots. So really you should be able to install just about any OS on it...

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Totally HOT!
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 23:58 UTC
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I dig this a bunch! Imagine a beos machine you can carry on your pen drive and run anywhere.

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Trial to creat image..
by Anonymous on Fri 21st Oct 2005 11:25 UTC
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What's to stop someone using the trial version to create an image and then using the player to actually use that image?

Might have to give it a try!

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VMware demos and SANdemo software
by Anonymous on Sun 23rd Oct 2005 19:00 UTC
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The player is great stuff. Also if you are looking to demo ESX capabilities and and advanced features like Vmotion or play around with either FC or Ethernet based iSCSI SANs, you can get demo software that works well with the VMware offerings at:
http://www.datacore.com/products/prod_SANmelody_govirtual.asp

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I understand iSCSI only works with guest OS currently, but there will be support of iSCSI in ESX 3.0
BTW, thanks for the link.

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