Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Oct 2005 16:05 UTC, submitted by netpython
SuSE, openSUSE SUSE Linux 10.1 Alpha 2 is ready for testing. Improvements and updates over alpha 1 include KDE 3.5 Beta 2, GNOME 2.11.1 (according to the announcement that is; 2.12.1 is more likely), smartpm, and OpenOffice.org 2.0 RC3. This alpha is available for x86, x86-64 (AMD64/EM64T), and PowerPC. Download locations, including torrents, are listed in the release announcement.
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Old Gnome
by ckknight on Thu 20th Oct 2005 17:27 UTC
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Why are they at Gnome 2.11.1? The current is 2.12.1. Their KDE seems to be up-to-date.

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RE: Old Gnome
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 20:10 UTC in reply to "Old Gnome"
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surely because 70% of the people under linux use kde

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v RE[2]: Old Gnome
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Old Gnome"
RE[3]: Old Gnome
by segedunum on Thu 20th Oct 2005 22:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Old Gnome"
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but I dont think 70% of linux users are impressed with clustered interface and kiddy artwork.

I don't think they're terribly impressed by a non-functional desktop either.

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re:Old Gnome
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 18:38 UTC
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Why are they at Gnome 2.11.1? The current is 2.12.1.

It's a typo i think.

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Live CD or DVD with Kstars for PPC
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 19:06 UTC
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Sorry for being off topic and excuse my bad english ! Does anyone know if there is a distro in form of a live cd or dvd with Kstars for PPC

Thanks in advance!

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SMART
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 20:22 UTC
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* APT successor SMART is provided in the smart rpm package. It can be used like apt-get using apt or YUM package repositories (all inst-source directories contain YUM meta data)

Great! Another package manager. Just what Linux needs!

Why not adopt yum or apt instead which already works great on suse?

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RE: SMART
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 20:31 UTC in reply to "SMART"
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If you visit the smartpm website you will notice who are the people contributing to it: Ubuntu (Canonical), Conectiva (now Mandriva, YUM original developer, APT developers, etc and i suppose now SUSE/OpenSUSE. In otehr wordfs is a good idea if all those Package manager coalesce into one or into very few one

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RE: SMART
by JonO on Thu 20th Oct 2005 23:52 UTC in reply to "SMART"
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Because it's a unified successor to all of those. Try getting a clue before you rant.

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RE: SMART
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 23:53 UTC in reply to "SMART"
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You need to read up on smart... SMART unifies the pack managers. It can use repositories from all of them, It can then dynamically sort dependencies, and even find the fastest download connection.. IMHO Smart is the way to go,, it doesnt compete or obsolete any of the others, It gives them one unified interface.

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SMART
by Bobmeister on Thu 20th Oct 2005 21:06 UTC
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SUSE Does, or DID have yum AND apt AND YaST and now SMART. IP 69.119...is correct...eventually something in the vein of SMART will replace these. As a matter of fact, a close reading will show that SMART will be REPLACING apt. I think that there is a lot of potential here.....

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v KDE
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 21:26 UTC
smart
by AdamW on Thu 20th Oct 2005 22:30 UTC
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Smart makes sense for SUSE - they don't have a (decent) legacy command line package manager, their users have unofficially used the apt RPM port for ages, but that is now unmaintained and the Conectiva guys who wrote it have moved on to developing smart instead. So it's the sensible thing for them to pick, if they actually want to have a decent high-level command line package manager (which is one of the big things SUSE has been missing for years). It's not a 'new' thing, it's been around a while now. And it's a lot better than yum.

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RE: smart
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 23:49 UTC in reply to "smart"
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you could do "yast -i <packname>" or is it "yast2 -i <packname>" for a while from the console......

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RE[2]: smart
by suser on Fri 21st Oct 2005 04:57 UTC in reply to "RE: smart"
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Or you can use y2pmsh

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Linux Package Management
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Oct 2005 22:45 UTC
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It is amazing to see just how much effort is put in to the myrid package managers on Linux all just so:

1) Each distro can arrange and name their core file system whatever way the choose - for absolutely no end user benefit

2) Each software package can dump its files all over the file system - for absolutely no end user benefit

Ain't 'choice' great!

Sigh...www.apple.com

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RE: Linux Package Management
by Morty on Fri 21st Oct 2005 00:29 UTC
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It is amazing to see just how much effort is put in to the myrid package managers on Linux all just so:

So fun to watch Anonymous trolls like you rant, as you obviously don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

1) Each distro can arrange and name their core file system whatever way the choose - for absolutely no end user benefit

Well yes of course they can, as their decision how to make it. Strangely nobody does, they do it nearly identical. They all follow the LFS, or close to it in all the important parts. And the LFS is strangely similar to the way UNIX filesystems have been done for years, making a switch to or from nearly every *NIX out there easy. Talk about compability.

2) Each software package can dump its files all over the file system - for absolutely no end user benefit

But they are not, they are placed and grouped in a consistent locical manner. Actually making it easier for the users and administrators. And it's very simple, and you really don't need to know where everyting are located.

The configurations files are in /etc, or if it's user configurations it's in the users directory as a hidden file or subdir. All the users file are also located there, in /home/$usr btw. No need to hunt for them. And the executables or programs as you may call them are in the PATH so no need to hunt for them either. The helpfiels and documentation are reachable trough the help reader or placed in the man and info path, still no need to know where they are.

Ain't 'choice' great!

Yes, different systems for different needs. Good to be able to choose the system that fit best.

Sigh...www.apple.com

As filesystem comes it's more or less the same. They have blocked easy access to some parts and renamed others, but the structure is not very different. Besides you have no need to know where your files are installed on OS X either, so it's a rather pointless comment.

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x.org X11R7.0
by Anonymous on Fri 21st Oct 2005 08:29 UTC
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The release of SUSE 10.1 is some way away - does anyone know if x.org release 7.0 (the new modular version) is planned for inclusion in 10.1? Will R6.9 be available as an alternative?

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RE: x.org X11R7.0
by Anonymous on Fri 21st Oct 2005 14:14 UTC in reply to "x.org X11R7.0"
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Probably, the release of 6.9 and 7.0 is not for away. I would be suprised if they would still ship 6.8.2 after that.

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Perhaps my question is a little bit silly but I'd like to know if there is a way to obtain a single CD to pass from an alpha release to another without having to downloads 5 CDs for every release (I'd like to download it at office and "translate" it at home ...).

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Most likely. I know in the past they have offered delta downloads that only contain the changes from the previous release.

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I know in the past they have offered delta downloads that only contain the changes from the previous release.

they still do.

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