Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Nov 2005 08:32 UTC
Internet Explorer The US Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from Microsoft, refusing to hear the software company's request that its liability in a patent-infringement case be limited to domestic sales of its web browser.
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by Kwisatz on Tue 1st Nov 2005 09:12 UTC
Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 12:24 UTC
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As someone who despises MS's businness practices this is still bad news, since it furthers legal support for software patents.

As an EU/Canadian citizen it is equally bad news as yet another example of the US pushing the extra-territorial application of its flawed legal system.

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RE: Bad News
by raboof on Tue 1st Nov 2005 13:05 UTC in reply to "Bad News"
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I guess the bright side is that this shows once again how software patents, when implemented badly, harm innovation, not only for small and opensource businesses, but also for the big players.

Let's hope Europe is listening.

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RE: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 14:02 UTC in reply to "Bad News"
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of its flawed legal system

How so? Seems like our legal system works quite well.

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RE[2]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 14:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad News"
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I wouldn't say its a "Legal System" problem but more a patient system problem. You can patient too many "Silly" things.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 15:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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Damn right, my patience has run out!

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v RE[3]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad News"
RE: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 16:00 UTC in reply to "Bad News"
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HUH?!!! this is different from EU countries being able to prosecute anyone for any crime commited anywhere.

Go look at Belgium's universal jurisdication law. I guess since it is the EU, its ok.

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RE[2]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad News"
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Haven't you figured it out yet? The "popular" thing to do among the socialist over in EU is to bash the United States every chance they get. It makes them feel bigger than they really are.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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yes your right EU is a bad place .. USA is just perfect..... get a grip

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RE[4]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Bad News"
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The bashing that I'm referring to is unfounded. Take a look at the posts here. You'll see direct attacks on the entire US legal system, rather than the patent office. Looks like I'm not the one that has lost the grip on reality, but those that hijacked this thread to do nothing more than to attack something off subject.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by dylansmrjones on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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Well, I'm not a socialist. I'm a danish libertarian and as well as the US libertarians do, I consider the US Patent System to be completely broken.

However, I do believe you're right about european socialists bashing USA whenever they can. Occasionally there's even a good reason for it (but usually not).

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RE Tiny Europe
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 19:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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Yeah only 450 Million of us in the Union and another 200 million lined up to join, we sure are a tiny place. Wait until russia joins and we can drive from sea to shining sea..

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RE Tiny Europe
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 20:14 UTC in reply to "RE Tiny Europe"
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you know i remember the time Hitler said something similar.

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RE[3]: Bad News
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 20:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bad News"
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Well, let's see. Their combined population is larger than ours. Their buying power is much larger than ours. Their interest in being pawns of an increasingly unusual patent system is, however, much smaller than ours, so I guess you're right.

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someone should sue these guys
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 13:26 UTC
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to obtain a judgement that Firefox isn't infringing. My understanding is that when you sue someone, you get to choose the locale for the court battle. Also Microsoft is an inviting target, removing them from the picture would help focus on the validity of Eolas' patent and eliminate any suspicions that "Microsoft wants to lose this case."

Paul G

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Invalid?
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 14:15 UTC
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Microsoft contends the Eolas patent is invalid because the technology had already been developed and showcased in a May 1993 demonstration by another inventor, Pei-Yuan Wei.

Isn't this arguement a double edge sword? If MS said that Eolas patent is invalid, that means the patent they are going for is invalid too.

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This is great
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 14:17 UTC
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Enough of these and Microsoft will be in favor of getting rid of software patents

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RE: This is great
by ma_d on Tue 1st Nov 2005 15:27 UTC in reply to "This is great"
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I thought they already were?

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RE[2]: This is great
by dylansmrjones on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:43 UTC in reply to "RE: This is great"
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Well, not exactly. MS is only against software patents that prevents MS to use a certain technology. MS likes the patents that prevents FOSS from using certain technologies.

Several MS patents has been stolen from earlier OS'es and even FOSS-products. Like the taskbar-button-grouping patent MS has.

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v Talk to the hand!
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 15:42 UTC
rejecting appeal
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 16:22 UTC
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the US SC declines to hear most cases. This case has not been lost by Microsoft yet, it is going back to where it was before.

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Boot to the head...
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Nov 2005 18:38 UTC
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Yeah! This is a boot to the head for Microsoft. I hate those monopolistic bastards!

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Vote agains software patents
by John Nilsson on Tue 1st Nov 2005 20:50 UTC
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For the europeans here read this:
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=676
and then go here:
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/index.html

Summary:
FREE AND OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE LUMINARIES
CALL ON WORLDWIDE COMMUNITY
TO VOTE AGAINST SOFTWARE PATENTS
IN THE "EUROPEAN OF THE YEAR 2005" INTERNET POLL

Richard Stallman, Tim O'Reilly, Alan Cox, Rasmus Lerdorf and Monty Widenius endorse Florian Mueller's candidacy
"because he runs on a NoSoftwarePatents ticket,
and that is the message we want to reinforce"

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Interesting to note
by Anonymous on Wed 2nd Nov 2005 00:58 UTC
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What does this company make ? Oh thats right absolutely nothing. They exist only to extort money and thats a fact.

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anussoft
by Anonymous on Wed 2nd Nov 2005 16:44 UTC
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i poop on xboxes

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