Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:00 UTC, submitted by n0dez
FreeBSD FreeBSD 6.0 has been released, but an official announcement is not yet available. You can download the .iso images here (mirror list). More information, documentation and release notes for the various architectures can be found here. Note: read this. Update: It's official.
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final release?
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:19 UTC
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is it the final 6.0 release?

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RE: final release?
by Anonymous on Sat 5th Nov 2005 03:32 UTC in reply to "final release?"
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Its a "Production Release".

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v Good.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:22 UTC
RE: Good.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:38 UTC in reply to "Good."
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What are you talking about? They just redesigned the site a few days ago and it looks great. It's not temporary...

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RE[2]: Good.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Good."
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i know it's just been redesigned, but it is just not that good.

btw, if you click "Home" and then "Get FreeBSD", you can actually see the top logo moves to the left. i don't know if this happens to other people as well.

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RE[3]: Good.
by jeremy on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good."
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I believe the movement is caused by the scrollbar showing up on one page and not on the other.

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RE[4]: Good.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Good."
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yes i believe so

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Finally
by kill on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:39 UTC
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Yeahsssss!!! I love the new logo, btw.

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RE: Finally
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 14:43 UTC in reply to "Finally"
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Rally? I thought it looked like a red "Sonic the Hedgehog"...

-YoGiX

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Horns
by Buck on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:40 UTC
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Are the horns retractable?

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RE: Horns
by Esaltato on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:07 UTC in reply to "Horns"
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it can't be seen, but it actually has a button on its rear.

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Nice!
by bullethead on Fri 4th Nov 2005 09:43 UTC
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Awesome news! I like their new logo, although I prefer it with a white background and black text/black logo (see the example that was provided). Something captivating about it ;)

Congrats and here's to the official release announcement!

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6.0 Open issues
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:01 UTC
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http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/todo.html

There seems to be a lot of stuff that's not been done for the 6.0 release? Does that mean it's an unstable release?

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RE: 6.0 Open issues
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:38 UTC in reply to "6.0 Open issues"
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It's not an unstable release, most the the not done on the todo list are features they wanted in 6 but didn't make it. I've been running 6 since the early beta's and it runs beautifully on my Nforce3 Ultra system. Hats off to the engineering team it's a great release.

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RE: 6.0 Open issues
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 12:02 UTC in reply to "6.0 Open issues"
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All show-stoppers have been corrected. The TODO-list is a bit outdated.

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RE[2]: 6.0 Open issues
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 15:01 UTC in reply to "RE: 6.0 Open issues"
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"All show-stoppers have been corrected. The TODO-list is a bit outdated."

Glad to hear it.

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logo moving
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:04 UTC
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does not with me.. in firefox

congrats to fbsd devs, commiters, and everyone that does really support and use this great piece of software


fbsd the only OS that matters

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retractible horns..
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:10 UTC
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a button on the back ?
does it means they can be long hor.. ? ;)

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w00t!
by Jedd on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:17 UTC
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Yeeeees!

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v Stop posting ahead of release.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:18 UTC
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YOU DO SERIOUS DAMAGE TO MANY PROJECTS BY ANNOUNCING RELEASES EARLY.

And still we have never received a complaint from people who actually manage releases. Rendering your argument untrue, and plain lying. If I do "serious damage" to projects this way, then why hasn't anyone from those projects ever complained? I'l tell you why, in your language:

THEY LIKE THE PUBLICITY.

Next.

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and this is what a news site is about.
bring excitement to viewers. uncover the truth, foresee the future... blah blah

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why hasn't anyone from those projects ever complained?

Perhaps they're concerned that you might take against them in your reporting? Or perhaps they're just plain scared of Eugenia ;) ?

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Thom wrote:

>And still we have never received a complaint from people who actually manage releases. Rendering your argument untrue, and plain lying. If I do "serious damage" to projects this way, then why hasn't anyone from those projects ever complained? I'l tell you why, in your language:

And I am absolutely agree with Thom.

>YOU DO SERIOUS DAMAGE TO MANY PROJECTS BY ANNOUNCING RELEASES EARLY.

I would call this FUD.

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And in the worst of the cases you can always use bittorrent, as I am doing. Bittorrent files are in the official mirrors.

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Just because:
1) No one ever complained, doesn't mean that it doesn't cause trouble.
2) What happens if its listed and there is a sudden recall because a last second bug showed up.

"untrue, and plain lying"
Is this an official editorial comment. How about growing up a little bit. Your childish rants and deleting of posts is obnoxious.

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Is this an official editorial comment. How about growing up a little bit. Your childish rants and deleting of posts is obnoxious.

How about listening to the FreeBSD Release Engineer when he posts on here to say that "posting ahead of release" is OK? Just sayin....

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How do you know he is the release engineer ?

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I agree with him. (though "serious damages" might be different from project to project).

I'd prefer that OSNews played fair and waits for official release instead of sneaking as soon as possible. The more users OSNews has, the more responsible it must be.

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RE: Stop posting ahead of release.
by dillee1 on Fri 4th Nov 2005 16:15 UTC in reply to "Stop posting ahead of release."
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Posting download links before hand is ok. If the project don't want it to be publicly available they should not make download anonymously avail anyway.

However the excuse news poster use is extremely WEAK. Man... he can just schedule the post automatically.

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mcg
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:37 UTC
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this is a old news!this news has been puplished since yesterday in h***://www.bsdforums.org, but this news is not offical anf FreeBSD 6.0 not released offically!

have a nice day!

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ULE
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:44 UTC
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Is the ULE scheduler finished?

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RE: ULE
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:50 UTC in reply to "ULE"
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The ULE scheduler has been fixed on both HEAD and RELENG_6. More testing is needed.

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RE: ULE
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:54 UTC in reply to "ULE"
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>Is the ULE scheduler finished?

On my system it even beats the old scheduler
in terms of performance.
You should really give it a try...

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RE: ULE
by corentin on Fri 4th Nov 2005 12:07 UTC in reply to "ULE"
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> Is the ULE scheduler finished?

Yep, it is locked!

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Show stopper
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 10:51 UTC
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Show stopper defects for 6.0-RELEASE labelled as "Needs testing"

Under high packet delivery rates, if_em interfaces may wedge until reset. A patch believed to correct this and related problems has been committed to HEAD, RELENG_6, and RELENG_6_0, and now requires testing.

Hopefully they've just forgot to update the page, but if they're shipping with an untested fix for a show stopper, they must be mad.

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RE: Stop posting ahead of release.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 11:01 UTC
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There have been complaints in the past.

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v RE: Stop posting ahead of release.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 12:06 UTC
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no one gets seriosly damaged. simple as that. if it is not at the local mirror - so what. if something still changes then it's your own fault for downloading it, as it is not officialy released.

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Go FreeBSD
by Chezz on Fri 4th Nov 2005 14:10 UTC
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It's the way to go I'm grabbin an ISO now

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RE: Go FreeBSD
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 14:25 UTC in reply to "Go FreeBSD"
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RE: Go FreeBSD
by ariel on Fri 4th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC in reply to "Go FreeBSD"
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i`m upgrading from source.. was using BETA2 ;)

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Doing real damage..
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 14:44 UTC
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Yes, one guy down in India was unprepared for the onslaught of users wanting the new release TOO early. The network cable to his FTP mirror server was still DISCONNECTED after morning prayers and his entire appartment was FLOODED with DOWNLOAD REQUESTS! He died instantly.

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I liked very much when I have jsut visited OSNEWS.COM and have seen this anouncement.

You did it with OO.org 2.0 and now with FreeBSD.

Some people seem to dislike this, but I love it.

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Release timing & todo list stuff
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 15:05 UTC
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The To Do page hasn't been updated since 10/23 (check at the bottom), most of those issues have likely been long taken care of. That's always been a rough draft of problems being worked on at the time of posting, don't worry about it, not what the developers use (they use GNATS to do bug tracking). In short, don't worry about it, old info and far from complete. I agree it would be nice if they would either take it down or redo how that info gets posted/updated, causes confusion and unnecessary worry.

They will often upload ISO's a day or so before the actuall announcment. This delay between uploads and announcments is, I think, to give enough time for all the mirrors to get synced up before they turn loose the deluge of initial downloads that follows the actual announcement. If they follow the usual pattern, since they posted the ISO's yesterday afternoon, I'd expect the offical announcement to come out sometime later today.

FYI, here's what looks to be the release announcment:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html

Here is the i386 readme:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/readme.html

Here is the errata notes:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/errata.html

Here is the hardware list:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/hardware-i386.html
others available

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/hardware-amd64.html

If your hardware isn't listed, they will not care much and your results will vary ;-) FreeBSD is oriented more towards small common servers (changing though) than trying to take over the desktop market from Redmond...keep this in mind = save yourself a lot of grief. There is a lot of hardware out there they do not care about as it's so poorly designed the best drivers are not going to make it stable. For those coming from the Linux world, this can be hard to grasp, grin.

Download if you wish. Enjoy, so far looks to NOT be the typical mess of a x.0 release, not perfect, but looks pretty polished from a server side of things. Don't fuss about things you aren't willing to help fix...they don't care. Don't like it, don't use it, grin.

Can't wait to see how well they polish up the upcoming 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 releases if 6.0 is already looking this good. Hat's off the the developers.

JT

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Release announcement - part 2
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 15:23 UTC
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"FYI, here's what looks to be the release announcment:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html "

Okay, maybe that's not the real rel' announcment per se, but it answered all my questions (and more).

The "press release" style announcment should be out before long, probably later today...for what it's worth.

Lot's of goodies can be found here:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/

Good deal on the torrents. Now if we can just con them into an all-in-one DVD ISO, grin.


JT

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Here's the official announcement.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 15:53 UTC
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Decent desktop?
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 16:56 UTC
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Would this make a good desktop OS compared to Windows XP?

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RE: Decent desktop?
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 17:13 UTC in reply to "Decent desktop?"
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As always, the answer is it depends. What do you want to do with your desktop? Do you want to play the latest games, have hi-def audio and do video editing? Then the answer is no.

However, if you are just doing document processing, writing emails, and surfing the net then FreeBSD would make a fine desktop. I would even recommend looking at PC-BSD or Desktop BSD (FreeBSD based distributions) that come bundled with most of the stuff you'd want.

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SMP?
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 17:08 UTC
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Is SMP enabled in the default kernel or do we need to recompile the kernel for that?

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RE: SMP?
by jondoor on Fri 4th Nov 2005 18:50 UTC in reply to "SMP?"
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You have to recompile the kernel with SMP option added to the config.

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From the release engineer
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 17:29 UTC
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Yeah, me.

Several years ago, we did get uptight about news sites covering releases before they were officially announced. Part of this was wanting the vanity of making the big splash ourselves, but part of it was legitimate concern over giving the mirror sites enough time to sync their bits and be prepared. We played with tricks like pushing the bits out in unreadable directories and then getting the mirror admins to 'unamsk' them once everyone was ready, but that quickly turned into a huge coordination nightmare.

So, we finally realized how silly all the secrecy was. Why chastise people for being excited for the release? It's certainly not productive to chase away people who are obviously enthusiastic about FreeBSD. So, we adopted a new policy of being more laid back about it, pushing the bits out through multiple channels, making Bittorrent trackers available, etc, but still not announcing until the mirror sites were ready. This results in the bits being visible "early" to people who know where to look, but that's OK. We want people to use FreeBSD, and we are thrilled that there are people excited enough about it that they will poll the websites in anticipation.

So, kudos to the users who like the release, and many thanks to the website editors who support us by giving us space on their websites for the announcements.

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Great
by mendicant on Fri 4th Nov 2005 18:19 UTC
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It's great to see this release finally make it. Even though 6.0 is mostly a more stable 5.x series, they have made an incredible amount of progress from the 4.0 series.

Personally, I've been using the ULE since early on in the Beta process and never seen any problems whatsoever.

With the hardware that I've got, the system has been rock-solid and has been a really reliable desktop OS for me, my girlfriend and even my roommate is using it once in a while too. (My freeBSD workstation is in the living room)

I have to send a major kudos to the devs for the obviously hard work they've put into it.

I've also got to say to people that are worried, that it is really stable and is worth the jump, especially if you were already running the 5.x series. Just make sure to read the docs for upgrading becuase there are a few small changes (i think that the kernel config is a bit different for 6).

Thanks guys.

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Good news !!!
by aaronb on Fri 4th Nov 2005 19:37 UTC
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I like the new web site layout.

I have also had problems when my hamster powerd server ran out of fresh hamster due the news being put on osnews instead of news papers deliverd by donkies.

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ACPI
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Nov 2005 20:02 UTC
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Does anyone know if this release will put my laptop into standby mode when I close the lid?

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RE: ACPI
by jondoor on Fri 4th Nov 2005 20:39 UTC in reply to "ACPI"
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I know standby does work for some people, I haven't really messed with it on my systems, I often close the lid while the system is doing something like recompiling world, so I want it awake.

My guess is that you will have to do some digging to get your specific setup working the way you want it to.

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Upgrage between versions ?
by Anonymous on Sat 5th Nov 2005 00:57 UTC
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Can anyone explain how the upgrade is done ? Is there a simple command like in a Debian distro ? (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade-distro and will upgrade the whole system). Thanks

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RE: Upgrage between versions ?
by eMagius on Sat 5th Nov 2005 01:17 UTC in reply to "Upgrage between versions ?"
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Remember that the BSDs are whole systems. The base system is worked on as a consistent entity by the relevant BSD team. Extra software is available through ports (or packages).

On FreeBSD, to update the ports/packages, just cvsup [options] && portupdate [options].

To update the base system via source, the process is a tad longer, but you can drop it all into one simple script and run it from there:

cvsup [options]
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot [into single user mode]

mergemaster -p
make installworld
mergemaster
reboot


Binary updates of the base system are not supported except through the installation media.

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OK, thanks for your explanation. I'm currently running Ubuntu as my primary system, pleased with it, but anyway I plan to give FreeBSD a try as I consider it as an amazing OS.

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thumbs up to the FBSD team
by Anonymous on Sat 5th Nov 2005 13:19 UTC
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thanks for 6. been waiting for it ;)

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