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http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/todo.html
There seems to be a lot of stuff that's not been done for the 6.0 release? Does that mean it's an unstable release?
YOU DO SERIOUS DAMAGE TO MANY PROJECTS BY ANNOUNCING RELEASES EARLY.
And still we have never received a complaint from people who actually manage releases. Rendering your argument untrue, and plain lying. If I do "serious damage" to projects this way, then why hasn't anyone from those projects ever complained? I'l tell you why, in your language:
THEY LIKE THE PUBLICITY.
Next.
RE[2]: Stop posting ahead of release.
Thom wrote:
>And still we have never received a complaint from people who actually manage releases. Rendering your argument untrue, and plain lying. If I do "serious damage" to projects this way, then why hasn't anyone from those projects ever complained? I'l tell you why, in your language:
And I am absolutely agree with Thom.
>YOU DO SERIOUS DAMAGE TO MANY PROJECTS BY ANNOUNCING RELEASES EARLY.
I would call this FUD.
Just because:
1) No one ever complained, doesn't mean that it doesn't cause trouble.
2) What happens if its listed and there is a sudden recall because a last second bug showed up.
"untrue, and plain lying"
Is this an official editorial comment. How about growing up a little bit. Your childish rants and deleting of posts is obnoxious.
Show stopper defects for 6.0-RELEASE labelled as "Needs testing"
Under high packet delivery rates, if_em interfaces may wedge until reset. A patch believed to correct this and related problems has been committed to HEAD, RELENG_6, and RELENG_6_0, and now requires testing.
Hopefully they've just forgot to update the page, but if they're shipping with an untested fix for a show stopper, they must be mad.
You can do a ftp install too:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.0-RELEASE/
:-)
The To Do page hasn't been updated since 10/23 (check at the bottom), most of those issues have likely been long taken care of. That's always been a rough draft of problems being worked on at the time of posting, don't worry about it, not what the developers use (they use GNATS to do bug tracking). In short, don't worry about it, old info and far from complete. I agree it would be nice if they would either take it down or redo how that info gets posted/updated, causes confusion and unnecessary worry.
They will often upload ISO's a day or so before the actuall announcment. This delay between uploads and announcments is, I think, to give enough time for all the mirrors to get synced up before they turn loose the deluge of initial downloads that follows the actual announcement. If they follow the usual pattern, since they posted the ISO's yesterday afternoon, I'd expect the offical announcement to come out sometime later today.
FYI, here's what looks to be the release announcment:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html
Here is the i386 readme:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/readme.html
Here is the errata notes:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/errata.html
Here is the hardware list:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/hardware-i386.html
others available
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/hardware-amd64.html
If your hardware isn't listed, they will not care much and your results will vary ;-) FreeBSD is oriented more towards small common servers (changing though) than trying to take over the desktop market from Redmond...keep this in mind = save yourself a lot of grief. There is a lot of hardware out there they do not care about as it's so poorly designed the best drivers are not going to make it stable. For those coming from the Linux world, this can be hard to grasp, grin.
Download if you wish. Enjoy, so far looks to NOT be the typical mess of a x.0 release, not perfect, but looks pretty polished from a server side of things. Don't fuss about things you aren't willing to help fix...they don't care. Don't like it, don't use it, grin.
Can't wait to see how well they polish up the upcoming 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 releases if 6.0 is already looking this good. Hat's off the the developers.
JT
"FYI, here's what looks to be the release announcment:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html "
Okay, maybe that's not the real rel' announcment per se, but it answered all my questions (and more).
The "press release" style announcment should be out before long, probably later today...for what it's worth.
Lot's of goodies can be found here:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/
Good deal on the torrents. Now if we can just con them into an all-in-one DVD ISO, grin.
JT
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/announce.html
Have fun!
JT
As always, the answer is it depends. What do you want to do with your desktop? Do you want to play the latest games, have hi-def audio and do video editing? Then the answer is no.
However, if you are just doing document processing, writing emails, and surfing the net then FreeBSD would make a fine desktop. I would even recommend looking at PC-BSD or Desktop BSD (FreeBSD based distributions) that come bundled with most of the stuff you'd want.
Yeah, me.
Several years ago, we did get uptight about news sites covering releases before they were officially announced. Part of this was wanting the vanity of making the big splash ourselves, but part of it was legitimate concern over giving the mirror sites enough time to sync their bits and be prepared. We played with tricks like pushing the bits out in unreadable directories and then getting the mirror admins to 'unamsk' them once everyone was ready, but that quickly turned into a huge coordination nightmare.
So, we finally realized how silly all the secrecy was. Why chastise people for being excited for the release? It's certainly not productive to chase away people who are obviously enthusiastic about FreeBSD. So, we adopted a new policy of being more laid back about it, pushing the bits out through multiple channels, making Bittorrent trackers available, etc, but still not announcing until the mirror sites were ready. This results in the bits being visible "early" to people who know where to look, but that's OK. We want people to use FreeBSD, and we are thrilled that there are people excited enough about it that they will poll the websites in anticipation.
So, kudos to the users who like the release, and many thanks to the website editors who support us by giving us space on their websites for the announcements.
It's great to see this release finally make it. Even though 6.0 is mostly a more stable 5.x series, they have made an incredible amount of progress from the 4.0 series.
Personally, I've been using the ULE since early on in the Beta process and never seen any problems whatsoever.
With the hardware that I've got, the system has been rock-solid and has been a really reliable desktop OS for me, my girlfriend and even my roommate is using it once in a while too. (My freeBSD workstation is in the living room)
I have to send a major kudos to the devs for the obviously hard work they've put into it.
I've also got to say to people that are worried, that it is really stable and is worth the jump, especially if you were already running the 5.x series. Just make sure to read the docs for upgrading becuase there are a few small changes (i think that the kernel config is a bit different for 6).
Thanks guys.
I know standby does work for some people, I haven't really messed with it on my systems, I often close the lid while the system is doing something like recompiling world, so I want it awake.
My guess is that you will have to do some digging to get your specific setup working the way you want it to.
Remember that the BSDs are whole systems. The base system is worked on as a consistent entity by the relevant BSD team. Extra software is available through ports (or packages).
On FreeBSD, to update the ports/packages, just cvsup [options] && portupdate [options].
To update the base system via source, the process is a tad longer, but you can drop it all into one simple script and run it from there:
cvsup [options]
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot [into single user mode]
mergemaster -p
make installworld
mergemaster
reboot
Binary updates of the base system are not supported except through the installation media.



