Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Nov 2005 18:29 UTC, submitted by javaman83
Games Transgaming has released Cedega 5.0 today. "TransGaming is very excited about the introduction of the new Cedega scheduler which allows for better control over processes and threads under the Linux 2.6 kernels. With pixel shaders 1.4, your games will look more realistic and deliver better graphics quality than ever before. Preliminary FBO support has also been added as an experimental feature for users to try out on their favorite titles. Other improvements to Cedega designed to improve correctness and performance have also been included." Read the release notes.
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by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 19:53 UTC
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while its awsome the work they are doing and the titles that our now working in linux. could cedega's exhistance actually be causing developers to not bother porting games to linux?

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RE: good thing bad thing
by morgoth on Tue 8th Nov 2005 20:04 UTC in reply to "good thing bad thing"
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I've said that for some time now. Why port when you can use Wine or Cedega or Crossover? Bad for business. Software developers/vendors need to get off their fat and rich and lazy asses and start porting. It's odd that they'll port to Mac OS, which has less users than Linux. But when asked about porting to Linux, they'll hide behind their usual bullshit "there's not enough users to justify it". Then why the f--k do they port Mac OS versions then? Hypocrisy at its best. I pretty much don't buy any proprietary software these days (including games). That's my method of protest. If they won't support me, and my chosen platform, I'm certainly not going to support them. If you keep letting the bastards get away with it, you're going to end up being f--ked over like Sony is now doing. In fact, it's well known that several games developers also install rootkits, a la Sony with their games. Do we sit here and take it? Or do we sue the ass off of the bastards responsible? We need real governments that aren't the puppets, poppets or pawns of large and greedy corporate interests.

Dave

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RE[2]: good thing bad thing
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 20:13 UTC in reply to "RE: good thing bad thing"
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there is a lot more game for linx then mac os...

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RE[3]: good thing bad thing
by lithium on Tue 8th Nov 2005 22:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: good thing bad thing"
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>> there is a lot more game for linx then mac os...

no way. osx has a _lot_ of games nowadays... ;)

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RE[2]: good thing bad thing
by Shannara on Tue 8th Nov 2005 21:35 UTC in reply to "RE: good thing bad thing"
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Had to give a -1 for continously debunked myth that there are more Linux users then MAC users ... This was one of the best jokes that was ever invented ...

You see .. There is a HUGE difference between a USER and a GEEK. Majority of the people who use linux are geeks, or either forced to use the 'dead horse'.

Windows and Mac OSX are geared towards users, thus gamers. While Linux ... well.. keep lauging .. haha

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RE[3]: good thing bad thing
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 21:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: good thing bad thing"
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"Majority of the people who use linux are geeks"

The intelligent/wise ones

"Windows and Mac OSX are geared towards users, thus gamers."

The majority who are stupid when it comes to using computers

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by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 14:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: good thing bad thing"
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Stupid, well maybe they're dumber than your omnipotent intelligence regarding computers, but they have money to pay for games and are willing to spend it.

Without Cedega, how many commerical games (and I mean commercial in their entirety including levels, artwork, maps, etc are released for the Linux platform?)

I can only think of Quake 1 2 3 and soon to be 4, Doom 3 and RtCW and the few games that LOKI ported for companies.

Ask yourself why did Loki Games go out of business if there is such a large Linux Gamer market?

I can't think of any other MAJOR (I don't mean nethack or battle for wesnoth) commercial games released, at any time, for linux.

you should ALL BE SUPPORTING CEDEGA if you want games to come to linux. CEDEGA guarantees the game makers that their copy protection scheme will not be violated and that the game players are legitimate.

The more players of LEGITIMATE STORE BOUGHT games on Linux there are, the more game studios will want to port their code to linux. No one in the commercial game industry wants to give away their work when it costs millions to make and distribute each game. They need to recoup their costs and turn a profit.

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RE[2]: good thing bad thing
by Wrawrat on Wed 9th Nov 2005 01:28 UTC in reply to "RE: good thing bad thing"
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It's odd that they'll port to Mac OS, which has less users than Linux.

Careful with numbers. For instance, servers are rarely used for gaming (save by some BOFHs)...

That said, they are not entirely wrong. I am wondering if there is a market for people willing to buy closed software on an open platform. ROI shouldn't be neglected, since it can possibly easier/less expensive to support closed platforms than open ones. Note the possibly keyword, since it's kinda hard to confirm/dismiss with the current data, especially since many (most?) Linux users that bought games have usually a good technical expertise on computers.

That said, many great games are free. The better ones ain't always those with flashy 3D eyecandy.

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by Huehuecoyotyl on Wed 9th Nov 2005 15:13 UTC in reply to "RE: good thing bad thing"
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Zealots are beating a dead horse. I don't think the Linux porting effort was underway before Cedega. Eventually Cedega will go under and the Wine project will inherit the code. I don't think Cedega has influenced developers at all. I know of no releases optimized to work with it on purpose.

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RE: good thing bad thing
by dmdavis on Tue 8th Nov 2005 20:57 UTC in reply to "good thing bad thing"
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I don't think so. I think that Cedega shows that there is demand for games on Linux. Not only that, but it shows that people are willing to pay for games on Linux, since Cedega isn't free and you need to buy the games anyway. The more Cedega use there is, the more ROI the game makers will see for making Linux games.

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nokia games
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 21:06 UTC
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My nokia 7210 displays and capable of showing better graphics and has more and better games than the linux os i use. Maybe someone would consider symbian os emulator, than at least we can play those games, which wont be so mad, they are really addictive ;)

I cant recall the name of it, but the soccer game i tried over linux was so far behing the fifa game i ve over my nokia :p
Also getting a bit nostalgic and playing old amiga500 games over UAE is not a bad for linux users like i am:) North&South, old great kick off extended edition, silkworm... hmm old games were the best...

By the way i am serious, does anyone know if its possible to emulate nokia symbian os games over linux(in fullscreen mode)... n-gage games etc would really make linux platform more fun

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RE: nokia games
by re_re on Wed 9th Nov 2005 02:25 UTC in reply to "nokia games"
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better graphics?
I run UT2004 and Doom3 at the highest settings on this linux system and it runs flawless.

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Cedega Should Be Free
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 21:41 UTC
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And I'm not talking CVS only.

People are leaving Windows and using Linux instead because they want and enjoy using free software. Cedega should just release their software for free, close their discussion forums, and CHARGE FOR SUPPORT INSTEAD. Yes, it can and it does work this way in making money in the open source world. But guess what they probably won't do it.

IMO Anyone who supports PAYING for software in order to get other software to work is only condoning an anti-free philosophy and phoning-home-to-check-if-you-have-a-real-license type of programs.

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RE: Cedega Should Be Free
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 23:28 UTC in reply to "Cedega Should Be Free"
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First I was going to say "How do you get gamers to pay for support?" but then I realized. They could actually let the game studios pay them to support their linux users... would probably generate a lot more money than what they get on subscriptions...
would probably generate a lot more linux supported games too ;-)
which in the end would generate more native linux games
which would provide transgaming with a future buissiniess, seeing as cedega will die once more native games is produced...

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RE[2]: Cedega Should Be Free
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 14:23 UTC in reply to "Cedega Should Be Free"
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To quote what many have said in the past regarding usability or GUI or installation issues:

Cedega is open source for everything except copy protection. If you don't live in the USA, the source is available and if you want to change it, do it yourself or hire a programmer.

It's funny how that statement goes unchecked when people complain about Gentoo.

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RE[3]: Cedega Should Be Free
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 14:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cedega Should Be Free"
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"Cedega is open source for everything except copy protection. If you don't live in the USA, the source is available and if you want to change it, do it yourself or hire a programmer"

Let's clear this up:

1. Cedega is not free
2. What is free is CVS which is WAY out of date and doesn't include everything that the pay version does

The whole 'if you want to change it blah blah blah' is bullshit, you know it and I know it.

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RE[4]: Cedega Should Be Free
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 17:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Cedega Should Be Free"
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If it's bullshit how come it is used as a legitimate argument for complaints against usability or gui or installation of EVERY OTHER PIECE OF OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE.

ALso, yes, let's clear it up:

Cedega commercial product = copy protection ala safedisc is supported meaning that you can install the games right from the CD.

Cedega CVS product = as current as the LATEST COMMERCIAL VERSION minus all copy protection support, meaning that you will have to get a CD Crack or probably do a full install on a windows machine then copy the game's main directory over to a Linux box via Samba.

The CVS INCLUDES EVERY SINGLE UPDATE THE PAY VERSION HAS EXCEPT FOR COPY PROTECTION.

PS I wholeheartedly agree that the fix it yourself attitude sucks, but it is used as a rebuttal for EVERY SINGLE COMPLAINT.

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Geeks.
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 22:31 UTC
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Hey geeks like games too!

Maybe if we actually had some games, we'd have less time to compile our kernels...

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v Be smart and ditch the PC.....
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 23:00 UTC
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Maybe if we actually had some games, we'd have less time to compile
our kernels...
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Hey loser, do what most Linux users have done. Buy a PS2 and abandon the PC totally as a "Gaming" platform. I haven't bought or played a PC game title in over 6 years.
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Hey retard, console games suck. Consoles are for little kids who still wet the bed, with their lame ass controllers ("Oh no! Keyboards have too many buttons! We're DOOMED!") and their crappy lowest-common denominator gameplay ("Jump! Jump again! Jump! Come on! Oh, damn, you fell into the water. Game over! I guess you have to go back to your last save point...")

I bought a PS2 and it now collects dust. The games are shallow retreads and sequels of games which sucked in the first place. When a stupid, inane game like "Mario Kart" is considered a 'classic', don't you feel like you're kind of, oh I don't know, at the bottom of the food chain?

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Thank goodness for idSoftware and Epic
by Anonymous on Tue 8th Nov 2005 23:16 UTC
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I'm just glad we have great people that do the right thing like Epic who port UT2004 and future UT releases. Not forgetting idSoftware for there containued support for Linux and opensourcing there engine.

I've tried Cedega and it's performance is good for games like HL2, GTA Vice City, but they do break games and dont sort out silly bugs, they just move on to the newest games. I'd rather have native installers which you can get here

http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfdownloads/viewcat.php?cid=25

http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6

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cedega
by raver31 on Tue 8th Nov 2005 23:46 UTC
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is a great stop-gap solution to people who want to use linux, but cannot tear themselves away from games.

and they have an excellent support forum, where subscribers can request which games they like to see supported in the future

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re:It's odd that they'll port to Mac OS
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 03:45 UTC
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Mac OS users will pay for a game, most Linux users will not, that is why, plain and simple.

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Cedega?
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 04:16 UTC
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In all honesty, cedega is not that good. I expect codeweavers to get ahead of them when they release crossover 6.0.

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RE: Cedega?
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 10:34 UTC in reply to "Cedega?"
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Err... right. Cedega and Crossover do veeeery different things. You won't get a single game running on Crossover.

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cedega errors
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 05:06 UTC
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I agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tried Cedega with SOf2(I really like this game) and Pb always kicks me with a bunch of O/S exception or Empty Win32 Module List A. I finally got fedup, discontinued my account and installed wine 0.9. Wine ran sof2 with no problems, the only drawback was that I had to update Pb manually with PBweb. Honestly, cedega made a grave error when they forked, all the newer games have some form of anti cheat software enabled and without proper windows emulation, no matter how good your directx emulation is, you will never be able to play online. Heck I was able to run sof2 in crossover office 5 without any problems, while playing with wine/crossover I was able to achieve roughly the same fps as cedega. I think over time Cedega will become redundant as wine seems to be advancing really fast now after a initially slow period.

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RE: cedega errors
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 10:47 UTC in reply to "cedega errors"
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Wine is becoming very very good, and a lot of work has gone into doing good directx reimplementation over the last 6months/year or so. Pretty soon standard wine will surpass cedega in quality, although cedega is certainly providing a very useable solution right now (i have about 4 or so games i play under it that all work perfectly). I wouldnt be suprised if post wine 1.0 it became a very very good solution for running games.

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RE: re:It's odd that they'll port to Mac OS
by Morty on Wed 9th Nov 2005 14:11 UTC
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Mac OS users will pay for a game, most Linux users will not, that is why, plain and simple.

Well that's certanly one factor. More important one are the fact that Mac OS are a rater limited platform, in the way of different os implementations and hardware versions. Making testing, QA and support much simpler, and cheaper.

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Posted above
by Anonymous on Wed 9th Nov 2005 14:34 UTC
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I posted the above comment:

I have been testing games with WINE since 2002 and love its progress.

I have been compiling CEDEGA from source since 2004 and REALLY love its progress.

When I make a fulltime switch to Linux I plan to support CEDEGA with a subscription and my time for testing every game that I bought, all the way back to 1995 games.

Right now I need a few applications to get better before I make the switch, namely a better replacement for excel--OO.o is close, but its graphing isn't there yet.

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