Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:12 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Firefox turned one year old Wednesday, marking yet another milestone for the popular open-source browser. Firefox has grabbed 8.65 percent of the market and put a dent into Internet Explorer's dominance, according to NetApplications' October results. Elsewhere, Camino 1.0b1 was released.
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Seems a little disingenuous...
by Tuishimi on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:30 UTC
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...because I have been using "Firefox" and "Camino" for a lot more than a year. I know they were pre-1.0, but the engine itself has been stable for awhile.

Even so, congratulations Firefox! Browser of choice for me on Windows and Linux and BeOS, Camino on Mac OS X!!!!

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RE: Seems a little disingenuous...
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 09:23 UTC in reply to "Seems a little disingenuous..."
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You forgot Risc OS you insensitive clod!

Crongratulations to Mozilla for making a genuine difference on the Internet.

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Phoenix?
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:31 UTC
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Turned one year old with the new name perhaps.. but it's been around a lot longer than one year.

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RE: Phoenix?
by joekiser on Thu 10th Nov 2005 03:58 UTC in reply to "Phoenix?"
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Tru dat. I remember using Phoenix on a USB drive my freshman year of college (fall 2002). I think they are referring to the release of version 1.0, which was a year ago today (Wednesday).

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8.65?
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:38 UTC
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did i not hear this like a few days ago?
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox40_browser_market_firef...

i thougth it was past 10%...more like 11%

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RE: 8.65?
by Eugenia on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:43 UTC in reply to "8.65?"
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OneStat unfortunatly measures all OSS Gecko browsers as one browser, and not Firefox alone (e.g. Epiphany, Mozilla and Camino are measured together). This is why it yield 11% on their stats and 8.6% on the other research firm's stats.

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RE[2]: 8.65?
by ma_d on Thu 10th Nov 2005 03:30 UTC in reply to "RE: 8.65?"
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I can't imagine epiphany and galeon have any noticeable effect... But, Mozilla and firefox are, IMO, ok to count as one. I suppose galeon and epiphany are as well, but they're like 0.25% together, rounded up, heavily.

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v Only one year?
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 02:46 UTC
1 year since 1.0
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 03:26 UTC
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You people should understand that till 1.0 it was classed as "Technology Preview" on mozilla site. The first official release came last year around this time - so its been 1 year since 1.0 not the start of phonenix or even firefox 0.7

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v firefox will dominate some day
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 03:50 UTC
RE: firefox will dominate some day
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 04:16 UTC in reply to "firefox will dominate some day"
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I don't know about that. If the developers are going to insist that people use extensions to get the same level of functionality as people enjoy in Opera and various IE shell browsers natively, then they're going to have to do some major quality control work.

For example, the release of Flash 8 broke something in Adblock, hence no Flash in Firefox w/Adblock installed for at least some of us. At least I knew enough to check Mozillazine to figure out why Flash suddenly stopped working. Try asking Joe Sixpack to do that. And don't even get me started on the f**king extension breackage from release-to-release. I have decided to stick with 1.04 for the time being until 1.5 is released, because of how things went horribly wrong when I went from 1.01 to 1.02.

Anyway, IE7 will be out soon enough with tabbed browsing, security fixes, RSS, and a host of other features, so that's going to take a bit of the wind out of Firefox's sails. I guess it was pretty easy for Firefox to gain momentum when the market leader has been sitting on its ass for the past 6 years. But now the sleeping giant has awakened, and the giant quite pissed ;)

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Yes, but IE7 won't have CSS support as many of us want and as it's supposed to do: as in standards!
I hate people telling me IE7 will be better once it has tabs and RSS support... this is old news in Mozilla/Opera world!

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IE users haven't switched
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 03:56 UTC
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hmm... it's mostly mozilla and netscape users who use Firefox now, not IE users.

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v RE: IE users haven't switched
by Varg Vikernes on Thu 10th Nov 2005 04:16 UTC in reply to "IE users haven't switched"
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Use your brain - the total percentage use for IE has fallen - your claim is not logical. Just wishful thinking.

Edited 2005-11-10 04:51

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RE[3]: IE users haven't switched
by Dually on Thu 10th Nov 2005 07:25 UTC in reply to "RE: IE users haven't switched"
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I wouldnt say most people have heard of firefox. Most tech people have but not most people.

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RE: IE users haven't switched
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 05:21 UTC in reply to "IE users haven't switched"
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By that logic, you could say that it's mostly Netscape users who use IE now, since most of us were probably using Netscape in 1995/96

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v 1 year past by...
by Varg Vikernes on Thu 10th Nov 2005 04:11 UTC
RE: 1 year past by...
by joekiser on Thu 10th Nov 2005 04:34 UTC in reply to "1 year past by..."
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I agree with your post, with the addition that most of the new features of Firefox 1.5 were already present in Mozilla 1.8 a YEAR ago. Maybe that time was spent bugfixing and optimization (specifically on Windows). To its credit, a lot of memory leaks have been fixed (again, on Windows) and startup time has improved somewhat.

I'd really like to see something like the FreeBSD and Gnome roadmaps play out for Firefox, where new releases are shipped out every six months. A year since a major release seems rather pathetic for a project of this magnitude and almost rivals the development cycle of K-Meleon.

BTW, I did not know Varg Vikerness posted here. Is he out of prison again?

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v RE[2]: 1 year past by...
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 05:49 UTC in reply to "RE: 1 year past by..."
RE[2]: 1 year past by...
by DittoBox on Thu 10th Nov 2005 17:09 UTC in reply to "RE: 1 year past by..."
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I have to agree. I've seen some pretty nasty conversations in the firefox bugzilla DB. Asa & Co., bickering with people who want some seemingly logical additions/changes to some of the smallest and littlest things in firefox.

To me however the biggest problem with firefox is simply how slow it is. It takes a lot of memory, on my system, with two tabs a few extensions and 512 mb ram, it's taking the #1 spot in memory consumption at 61.5mb (windows xp).

I'm not really concerned about features, I like a slimmer browser, I'll install extensions for the functionality I want. What I want right now is for an optimized and sped up firefox. One of the largest packages I've built on a linux system were firefox and thunderbird, the packages weighing in at a very large 30mb each, and these are bzipped! I'm not sure how much of this is actually compiled, but I'm sure a lot of it is, it takes a very long time to compile it compared to most other packages.

I still love firefox though, and wish it all the best. I've been using it since phoenix .6 and think that in time it'll be a great browser someday.

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RE[3]: 1 year past by...
by binarymelonc on Thu 10th Nov 2005 19:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 1 year past by..."
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61.5 mb? Count yourself lucky.

http://www.binarymelon.com/taskmgr.jpg

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RE[3]: 1 year past by...
by joekiser on Fri 11th Nov 2005 02:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 1 year past by..."
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One of the largest packages I've built on a linux system were firefox and thunderbird, the packages weighing in at a very large 30mb each, and these are bzipped!

That's because the source tree is shared for Firefox, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey. So each time you download the source tarball, you are downloading components for all three programs, plus the Gecko engine, plus a bunch of other libraries. It's entirely possible to build each program from the same source tree; why most distributions don't include this as the default behavior is beyond me.

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RE[4]: 1 year past by...
by DittoBox on Fri 11th Nov 2005 03:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: 1 year past by..."
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I suspected this, but wasn't sure. Thanks for correcting me.

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RE: 1 year past by...
by Lumbergh on Thu 10th Nov 2005 05:42 UTC in reply to "1 year past by..."
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Beta2 was so crashy to be mostly unusable, but at least they get feedback on the crashes without much manual user effort.

RC1 is much better. RC2 is scheduled for Friday. Now 1.5 is using cairo for the backend instead of GDI on windows. The interesting thing about it is that it actually seems faster than 1.7. Go figure.

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RE[2]: 1 year past by...
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 14:24 UTC in reply to "RE: 1 year past by..."
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I believe it is actually just SVG that's being switched to a Cairo backend (as opposed to the GDI+ one). The full Cairo backend will most likely not happen by 1.5.

There's experimental cairo builds on the Mozilla FTP; but it's no where near becoming default. For one thing, it can't render gmail correctly yet ;)

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RE[3]: 1 year past by...
by Lumbergh on Thu 10th Nov 2005 21:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 1 year past by..."
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I believe it is actually just SVG that's being switched to a Cairo backend (as opposed to the GDI+ one). The full Cairo backend will most likely not happen by 1.5.

Hehe, ok. That makes some sense. I thought it strange that Cairo on windows would be so snappy at this stage of its development.

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Congratulations
by adya33 on Thu 10th Nov 2005 04:16 UTC
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Congratulations to Mozilla Foundation
From under under dog to browser #2 (atleast on Windows) is a very good acheivment
Congratulation to developers from being responsible to bringing out changes in world of web browsers
(IE7, Opera going free etc)
Keep up good work

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Is this counting...
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 07:24 UTC
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from the time Firefox was called Phoenix and Firebird? Or, is it only counting since it changed it's name to Firefox? I was just wondering.

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RE: Is this counting...
by Rowan Lewis on Thu 10th Nov 2005 07:56 UTC in reply to "Is this counting..."
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There are about three comments about this, all of them before your comment. Use your brain, what big event happened with Firefox one year ago? If you can't answer that then you're probably more than a little slow.

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Firebird
by Anonymous on Thu 10th Nov 2005 13:02 UTC
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I ran Firebird and was disappointed when they had to change the name to Firefox. Guess it didn't matter. Somehow I always thought names were more important than that.

Keep up the good 'word' Firefox.

A fan

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inverse relationship?
by jtrapp on Thu 10th Nov 2005 15:32 UTC
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Forget about improvements to Firefox, instead get ready for google integration. If you want improvements, check out one of Firefox's derivatives. Sad but true.
I've been using Firefox since .7, but maybe it is a victim of its own success. Patch style updates and draggable tabs do seem cool but where is the innovation? Are innovation and market share always inversely related?

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Geez...
by Bobmeister on Thu 10th Nov 2005 15:56 UTC
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Geez...everyone...we are tallking about a browser here....everyone is sooooo serious about all of this. Firefox is fine! Are you helping to code it? I'm not...so I don't have ANYTHING to complain about.

It's about choice. Here we have a great browser that runs on just about anything....common over all platforms.

Opera is fine too...we have choices. Internet Explorer works fine in Windows and will always work fine (Active X being a weak, but essential component of how it works notwithstanding), and IE7 will probably be really nice.

But Firefox DID come around and here we have a great browser. Perfect? Of course not. Progressing as fast as some want here? Maybe not. But geez...people...this is FREE software and it works very nicely indeed!

Opera's move to totally free was part of the Firefox phenomenon too. Opera is a great broswer as well...me? I use all of them, depending on what I'm doing.

Congratulations, Mozilla Foundation. Keep up the good work.

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v Opera is a lot better
by Joe User on Thu 10th Nov 2005 20:21 UTC
Firefox 1.5 RC2 available
by Finalzone on Fri 11th Nov 2005 09:04 UTC
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The new check update system works great and it is really efficient. Notable difference is the reduced memory consumption (25MB) in a 1GB memory RAM system.

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