Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 14th Nov 2005 07:55 UTC, submitted by Truthseeker
Java Sun and Microsoft engineers continue to work on up-the-stack interop between Java and .NET. Sun pledged to enable Java interop to Microsoft's Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) by developing and distributing open source implementations of key WS-specs.
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Will see
by Noodles on Mon 14th Nov 2005 09:38 UTC
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2005-08-12

So far Web Services interop is nightmare. Moreover there is ever growing stack of WS "specs" that makes whole issue very complicated. WS _was_ good idea before too many people and interests put a lot of bloat and duplicated buggy effort into it. Developer is supposed now to use "tools" that hides real SOAP operation from him which creates debugging nightmare. Those "bloating comissions" should look at DBUS (http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/dbus) for what design developers like (KISS). If you want really to understand SOAP you will need a LOT of training. Otherwise you have to use "tools" and _hope_ everything will work as intended.

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RE: Will see
by kaiwai on Mon 14th Nov 2005 09:58 UTC in reply to "Will see"
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2005-07-06

I think the funniest part, however, is even with SOAP (which scales attrociously), people are still using CORBA.

Unfortunately, however, there is a habbit for companies to over engineer a solution that should actually be done by three seperate, but interoperable specifications rather than trying to have some sort of grand unified, does everything including the kitchen sink deal.

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RE[2]: Will see
by segedunum on Mon 14th Nov 2005 11:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Will see"
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2005-07-06

I think the funniest part, however, is even with SOAP (which scales attrociously), people are still using CORBA.

You want to see the stuff in Indigo now. It's turned into the complexity of CORBA!

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RE[3]: Will see
by kaiwai on Mon 14th Nov 2005 15:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Will see"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I wouldn't be surprised; another attempt by a company to make a grand unified 'does everything' concept.

What is required are a large number of small, well documented projects that aim to solve a small number of solutions, so that when it comes to learning and then implementing the technology, programmers aren't overwhelmed, and thus, end up using the technology in the incorrect manner.

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Great news
by ewright on Mon 14th Nov 2005 16:00 UTC
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2005-07-21

SOAP and WS-* are great. You naysayers don't recognize how far the specs and implementations have come.

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not bad
by ahmetaa on Mon 14th Nov 2005 16:53 UTC
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2005-07-06

Although i am not a fan of XML based web services, interoperability between Java and .Net is good news. Unfortunately Web services are here to stay, why not making developers life easier.

Edited 2005-11-14 16:53

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I like MS...
by fretinator on Mon 14th Nov 2005 17:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

Personally I like the new Microsun Winix, don't you?

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Alternatives?
by oobles on Mon 14th Nov 2005 23:56 UTC
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2005-11-14

Are there any alternatives for interoperability between Java and .Net? CORBA and WS-* are obvioulsy the most common. What else is out there?

I ask because I've developed an alternative. I'm always curious to know what other people are doing in the area.

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