Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 14th Nov 2005 08:47 UTC
Multimedia, AV We were pleasantly surprised when we discovered (by snooping on its firmware files) that the Pontis MX2020 multimedia device that Geeks.com sent us for a review actually uses Linux (embedded distribution uCLinux, kernel 2.4.19). If it's video, audio, pictures, recording or even basic PDA functionality via its touch screen, the Pontis MX2020 can do it all. And for very cheap too.
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Humm!
by Sauron on Mon 14th Nov 2005 09:58 UTC
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Apart from the minor niggles the author mentions there is no ogg support. Think i`ll still go for the GP2X!

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RE: Humm!
by Eugenia on Mon 14th Nov 2005 10:02 UTC in reply to "Humm!"
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2005-06-28

Huh??? Ogg is supported just fine! With or without firmware upgrade.

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RE[2]: Humm!
by mlmurray on Mon 14th Nov 2005 19:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Humm!"
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2005-07-24

Huh??? Ogg is supported just fine! With or without firmware upgrade.

I hope you are right about that, but I didn't see ogg in any of the literature or technical specs. Where is this listed?

EDIT: Okay. Next time I'll be sure to RTFA before I open my mouth (keyboard)! Sorry - It's right there in the article - duh!!

Edited 2005-11-14 19:28

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RE: Humm!
by mlmurray on Mon 14th Nov 2005 19:25 UTC in reply to "Humm!"
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2005-07-24

Apart from the minor niggles the author mentions there is no ogg support. Think i`ll still go for the GP2X!

I'm wondering why this post had a score of -2 (I had to adjust the settings to view it, then I voted it back up).

You people do realize the word "niggles" is not a "bad word", don't you?

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The screen
by evangs on Mon 14th Nov 2005 10:15 UTC
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2005-07-07

What is the screen like? Is it viewable when the surroundings are very bright? How does it compare against existing PDA screens?

Lots of questions about a very important feature :-)

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RE: The screen
by Eugenia on Mon 14th Nov 2005 10:26 UTC in reply to "The screen"
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2005-06-28

The screen is not as good as my HP rx3115 PDA. But it's brighter than the Zaurus SL-5500's (all QVGA).

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Sounds like a bargain
by apple1984 on Mon 14th Nov 2005 11:44 UTC
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2005-07-18

One question though, it says the Pontis company has been sold. Who is taking care of warranty requests now?

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RE: Sounds like a bargain
by Eugenia on Mon 14th Nov 2005 11:46 UTC in reply to "Sounds like a bargain"
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Geeks.com supports the device for 1 year, if something goes wrong, not Pontis.

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Runs Linux but...
by Michael on Mon 14th Nov 2005 12:55 UTC
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2005-07-01

...requires Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP

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RE: Runs Linux but...
by Sean Parsons on Mon 14th Nov 2005 13:57 UTC in reply to "Runs Linux but..."
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2005-09-11

...requires Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP

According to the product description on the Pontis website, Linux is one of the supported operating systems. You can check it out here:

http://www.pontis.de/site_e/produkte/pl_2020_e.htm and then click on the 'technical specifications'.

I'm assuming you'll just mount it like an external hard drive, and you probably won't get to use the shrink wrapped software that comes with it.

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v Oops!
by DoctorPepper on Mon 14th Nov 2005 14:08 UTC
Bummer
by Sphinx on Mon 14th Nov 2005 15:16 UTC
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2005-07-09

and you settled for less. It looks like some nice set of parts for only $199, hard to resist. Anyone take one apart yet, where are the real technical specifications?

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hmm, which architecture?
by kcox on Mon 14th Nov 2005 17:49 UTC
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2005-11-14

I wonder what the real technical specifications are on this device? Is it runing an Arm7, Arm9, Arm11? Maybe it uses one of portal player's SoCs with dual Arm7s? I would like to know more detailed specs if they are available. It would be nice if it was mentioned in the review.

Edited 2005-11-14 17:50

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RE: hmm, which architecture?
by Eugenia on Mon 14th Nov 2005 19:40 UTC in reply to "hmm, which architecture?"
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2005-06-28

I think it uses special microcontrollers, not ARM. The uCLinux in particular is known to support those.

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RE[2]: hmm, which architecture?
by kcox on Mon 14th Nov 2005 19:47 UTC in reply to "RE: hmm, which architecture?"
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2005-11-14

isn't ARM a special Microcontroller? It's used in all the ipods and in most mobile phones, and pdas. Why not here? I suspect it is a System on Chip from some guys like Portal Player, or maybe an asic from Broadcom or something that has an ARM core... o'well.

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Linux / Updates
by forum on Tue 15th Nov 2005 10:10 UTC
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2005-11-15

This PMP seems very interesting, especially pricewise, however I'm wondering: does the fact that it runs Linux provides an advantage to the customer ? For instance, will it make possible to update the PMP with new video formats support or something ?

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RE: Linux / Updates
by Eugenia on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:16 UTC in reply to "Linux / Updates"
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2005-06-28

No. Especially because the source code doesn't seem easy to find.

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RE[2]: Linux / Updates
by Sphinx on Tue 15th Nov 2005 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Linux / Updates"
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2005-07-09

qualify that with, "at this writing", or, "today", and it might be valid.

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RE[3]: Linux / Updates
by Eugenia on Tue 15th Nov 2005 19:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Linux / Updates"
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2005-06-28

Well, I asked for the source code and Pontis does not have it. They just used whatever iUbi gave them as binaries. And the iUbi/Pontis devices are out for more than a year. If iUbi wanted to post their changes/source-code they would have done so, don't you think?

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RE: Linux / Updates
by Sphinx on Tue 15th Nov 2005 19:30 UTC in reply to "Linux / Updates"
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2005-07-09

Give it time you'll probably see a replacement os project as soon as a few are disassembled, the hardware looks much too nice not to, probably only a cross compile and a few driver changes away.

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RE[2]: Linux / Updates
by Eugenia on Tue 15th Nov 2005 19:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Linux / Updates"
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2005-06-28

The full hardware specs are not available. You can't port anything to it in the current form. The only solution is for iUbi to post the source code so people can start updating it.

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v RE[3]: Linux / Updates
by Sphinx on Tue 15th Nov 2005 23:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Linux / Updates"
Video Recording Specs?
by PolloLoco on Wed 16th Nov 2005 00:55 UTC
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2005-11-16

Hello Eugenia,

I had 2 questions. First, you attached a QVGA (320X240) clip of the Wizard of Oz - but can the recorder support better resolutions? Can it record in VGA (640X480)?

Also, you said the picture viewing was pleasing. Did it take a long time to load large pictures individually? Were large pictures made blurry due to the screens low resolution - or were they "cropped for viewing"? My Iaudio X5L has this problem.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Video Recording Specs?
by Eugenia on Wed 16th Nov 2005 01:46 UTC in reply to "Video Recording Specs?"
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2005-06-28

No, only QVGA recording is supported, which is what you want for PDAs and for future phones. If you need bigger resolutions you need to get an Archos device instead (the Neuros 442 that I reviewed last week also does HVGA 640x240, but this res is not supported well by most media players and it makes the video look stretched). So, if you truly need big resolutions, either get a Neuros Recorder II (comes out in a few weeks, $150) or an Archos device ($350+).

Pictures are scaled down to fit on the QVGA resolution and they don't look blury. There is a 4x zoom available too. They load pretty fast.

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Thanks!
by PolloLoco on Wed 16th Nov 2005 02:06 UTC
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2005-11-16

I appreciate the info - your 2 reviews have given me a lot to think about. The detail was great - I was considering those 2 players along with the MSI megaview and a couple others (MacVision MC3007).

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Hard drive upgrade MX2020
by guilani on Wed 16th Nov 2005 13:10 UTC
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2005-11-16

My MX2020 is on order and should be arriving any day. I'm hoping I can upgrade the HD to 40gig...I have a spare 40GB 9.5mm HD available. I plan to use PowerQuest DriveImage 2002 and see what happens. Has anyone else looked at upgrading the HD in the MX2020? Thanks.....(20GB is good but 40GB is better!)

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RE: Hard drive upgrade MX2020
by Eugenia on Wed 16th Nov 2005 21:24 UTC in reply to "Hard drive upgrade MX2020"
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2005-06-28

no, no one tried that. I suggest you don't destroy the warranty of your order.

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RE: Hard drive upgrade MX2020
by Anonymous on Fri 18th Nov 2005 18:37 UTC in reply to "Hard drive upgrade MX2020"
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If you do decide to destroy the warranty and do something like this. The IUBI site has a download for the complete CD that comes with the PMP2020. It includes a system resore utility that will format and reinstall everything from scratch. If you do it.. let us know how it works!

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Scheduled recording?
by arpa on Thu 17th Nov 2005 00:45 UTC
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2005-11-16

Can user program recording time (e.g. daily, weekly) or it only allows manual?

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RE: Scheduled recording?
by Eugenia on Thu 17th Nov 2005 07:08 UTC in reply to "Scheduled recording?"
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2005-06-28

Manual.

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iUbi firmware
by Anonymous on Fri 18th Nov 2005 05:49 UTC
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If you do try to upgrade the harddrive. See if you can load the iUbi firmware on it. It looks like the interface is still all in english, even though the manufacturer is Korean. Perhaps it will enable the Wifi ;)

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iUbi firmware
by Anonymous on Sun 20th Nov 2005 06:04 UTC
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Well, I tried the latest firmware and other than changing logos and whatnot, it appears to be the same as the 1.01 pontis firmware...and no, the wifi and other icon are not working...also the wifi icon now looks like iubi entertainment...I wonder what their plans were for this...unfortunately I don't have a wireless compact flash card

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RE: iUbi firmware
by Anonymous on Sun 20th Nov 2005 06:05 UTC in reply to "iUbi firmware"
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sorry, iubi channel, not entertainment...

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iUbi Firmware
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 19:01 UTC
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One benefit of this firmware might be some more improvements, it looks like on the iUbi site they have done quite a bit more firmware releases than the one that Pontis did.

Did the harddrive upgrade work? Or was that someone else

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RE: iUbi Firmware
by guilani on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 20:04 UTC in reply to "iUbi Firmware"
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2005-11-16

(this is from the original post-er of HD upgrade...)

No...I haven't tried it yet. These devices take the 1.8" hard drive, not the standard notbook drive of 9.5mm height. Higher capacity brand new 1.8" drives from Toshiba are in the range $100-160. I'll start looking for one on ebay...

TTFN

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iUbi Firmware
by Anonymous on Thu 24th Nov 2005 00:46 UTC
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I tried the iUbi Firmware and they didn't seem to do much...the latest iUbi one seemed to bring it up to on par with the pre-loaded pontis firmware

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For Anonymous (IP: 69.209.197.---)
by Eugenia on Thu 24th Nov 2005 01:10 UTC
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2005-06-28

Anonymous, please email me, I would like to discuss about the new firmware you tried. Thanks!

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hey everyone
by Anonymous on Thu 24th Nov 2005 07:16 UTC
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i am a newbie to pmp. I am having trouble playing some of the avi files on the mx2020. how can you tell rather the avi files was encoded to be compatiable with the pontis?

thanks

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