Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 21st Nov 2005 05:32 UTC
Gentoo The Gentoo release team has announced the availability of Gentoo Linux 2005.1-r1, a bug-fix update to the current stable release.
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i can still hear the screams
by Beryllium on Mon 21st Nov 2005 05:46 UTC
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It's as though a million CPUs cried out at once, and then were suddenly silenced.

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v Gentoo
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 06:41 UTC
RE: Gentoo
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 09:56 UTC in reply to "Gentoo"
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Stop over-reacting. All this release is, is an update to the stage and livecd images found on the gentoo repository servers.

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RE: Gentoo
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 06:55 UTC
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Best distro I've used. Rock solid for over 3 years!

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v It's over
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 06:57 UTC
RE: It's over
by dylansmrjones on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:31 UTC in reply to "It's over"
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Except that you don't have to compile everything from scratch (though I prefer that solution).

Today Gentoo is primarily based on stage3-installs. And you can get a complete system running without compiling anything - but that equals no fun ;)

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RE[2]: It's over
by Tom K on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:52 UTC in reply to "RE: It's over"
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I think most people consider the things they can use their computer to accomplish as "fun", as opposed to the process of getting their computer into a usable state.

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RE[3]: It's over
by dylansmrjones on Mon 21st Nov 2005 08:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's over"
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You're right about that, but for it's still fun to mess around with it. Basically because I know what to to, and more importantly what NOT to do.

It's easier for me to do a stage1 install with Gentoo than doing a stage3 install. The latter one means I've got to recompile the base system, before I can get further (due to "funny" use flags) :p

But Gentoo isn't a distro I'd recommend to the newbie.

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v RE[3]: It's over
by dagw on Mon 21st Nov 2005 11:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's over"
RE[4]: It's over
by dylansmrjones on Mon 21st Nov 2005 13:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's over"
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Oh yeah, owners of old beautiful cars. Or cars in general.

There are many (mostly male persons) who probably spend more time on their cars/bikes than on their wife and families... (sort of sad in a way).

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RE[5]: It's over
by jaboua on Mon 21st Nov 2005 14:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: It's over"
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More time on the bike/car than ON their wife? ;)

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RE[6]: It's over
by dylansmrjones on Mon 21st Nov 2005 16:54 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: It's over"
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hhhaahh... whatever :p

Not all of us have english as native language. But okay, it's a comment in the league of "Let's screw this company together" :p

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RE[7]: It's over
by jaboua on Mon 21st Nov 2005 20:21 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: It's over"
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I'm not a native english speaker either (I speak norvegian), I just found it a funny typo ;)

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RE: It's over
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 09:06 UTC in reply to "It's over"
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Correct, now it's the ubuntu-hype! And just like every other hype this one won't last forever either... ;)

As a > 2 year gentoo user I won't miss those gentoo-noobs too much, who are unwilling to read documentation and lack even the most basic unix knowledge.

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RE: It's over
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 09:48 UTC in reply to "It's over"
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Most people have realised there are better things to do with their time than compile everything from scratch. If not, they need to get a life.

bullshits

With a 4 year old pc (my pc) updating the whole Gnome requires a afternoon (and you do that just twice a year), and compiling doesn't mean that the computer is unusable, I can watch DVD and xvid, listen to music, read webpages, work in openoffice and everything one can do with a pc without noticing that my cpu is working.

and the last time my pc was unavailable because I had to reinstall the OS was in 2003.

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RE: It's over
by Trollstoi on Mon 21st Nov 2005 10:33 UTC in reply to "It's over"
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It would be nice actually to get rid of the f--king ricers and noobs that give Gentoo a bad name. But the cult is not over yet :/

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RE: It's over
by Wrawrat on Mon 21st Nov 2005 16:19 UTC in reply to "It's over"
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It's true that compiling everything is tedious. It's one of the reasons I dumped Gentoo on the desktop...

...yet, if you think you're going to have a life with Kubuntu, think again. To my experience with 5.04 and 5.10, it works fine as long as you stay in the supported repositories. It gets ugly once you get into universe/multiverse. Configuring wpa_supplicant wasn't just a matter of "apt-get". Likewise for kdevelop, which I had to modify the shortcuts and install all the development libraries by myself. And I still have weird issues, like having two Variable Watch and Breakpoints tabs. Oh, and I had to modify my xorg.conf since the detection wasn't flawless...

As for Debian, the stability of the testing branch is hype. And in the end, you do as much hand editing as in Gentoo, save that the underlying system is uglier, IMO. Especially SysV init. Numbered symlinks should be a relic of the past.

I tried a lot of distros, but I think I'm going back. Still hate compiling and being at the end of the QA chain, but it works better for me, even if I'm not a cultist.

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NICE!
by CaptainPinko on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:06 UTC
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I just hosed my current Gentoo install (don't know how... started with trying to add my user to Wheel, then root stopped working, then one day I powered off during boot --needed to get into Windows quick-- and she always crashes now... ) and need to reinstall.

Any word on when GCC 4 will be the defaul compiler? I hear it's C++ code is much faster and as a KDE user I think I'd really benifit.

I'd use something else (such a Debian) but I don'tthink anybody else has more of the latest package. I've heard good things about Unbuntu but I'm not a GNOME, nor have I heard anything about Kunbuntu expect that it's not officially part of Unbuntu.

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RE: NICE!
by chekr on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:43 UTC in reply to "NICE!"
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Kubuntu is actually becoming an official ubuntu project,

"In his opening remarks at the start of the conference Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth announced that he was now using Kubuntu on his desktop machine and said he wanted Kubuntu to move to a first class distribution within the Ubuntu community"

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RE: NICE!
by jsight on Mon 21st Nov 2005 16:17 UTC in reply to "NICE!"
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The last that I heard GCC 4 will never be made the default for Gentoo. They are still on 3.3, however, they are hoping that 4.1 is bug free enough for them.

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RE[2]: NICE!
by smileaf on Mon 21st Nov 2005 19:47 UTC in reply to "RE: NICE!"
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I don't really think its a matter of bugs in GCC anymore. it's more like packages are having problems being compiled by gcc4. if you look around the portage tree you'll see dozens of gcc4 patches for about every package.
they can't mark it stable unless everything can compiled with it, or they'll get _tons_ of bug reports all at once.

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by suryad on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:30 UTC
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I am curious...does GCC take advantage of the fact during the compile process that you have a processor with HT enabled...or you have a multicore processor or a multi cpu machine?

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RE: ...
by nimble on Mon 21st Nov 2005 10:58 UTC in reply to "..."
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I am curious...does GCC take advantage of the fact during the compile process that you have a processor with HT enabled...

GCC by itself doesn't, but 'make' can run multiple gcc jobs in parallel if you give it the -jn option (where n is the number of parallel jobs you want.)

Whether that actually produces a speedup with HT I'm not sure, because gcc is quite cache-intensive and it almost exclusively uses integer code.

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tradeoffs
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 07:41 UTC
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For me, Gentoo is still the most modern distro out there. Where I cannot afford the compile time (slower boxes, notebooks, etc), I tend to go with Ubuntu these days, but it just does not feel the same. Compilation is a trade-off but with all its advantages gentoo is still worth it well for me.

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v The mandatory...
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 08:01 UTC
RE: The mandatory...
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 09:58 UTC in reply to "The mandatory..."
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Posting in all CAPS, really is going to make us all believe you...

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RE: The mandatory...
by NxStY on Mon 21st Nov 2005 15:02 UTC in reply to "The mandatory..."
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If you don't like gentoo then don't use gentoo! But please quit flaming it and it's users! I'm tired of reading useless posts like this:
NEWS FLASH, NEWS FLASH, Gentoo is for ricers! http://funroll-loops.org/

And there is always a couple similar posts everytime somebody posts something about gentoo.

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v RE[2]: The mandatory...
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 17:29 UTC in reply to "RE: The mandatory..."
gentoo good for certain people
by re_re on Mon 21st Nov 2005 08:18 UTC
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Gentoo is excellent but only for certain people

I love it, I have a Gentoo powered server with an uptime of 213 days and 2 Athlon64 Gentoo workstations.

Gentoo is good for tinkerers but it is also good for power users who like to get work done, I haven't done a fresh Gentoo install in over a year and a half and I do most of my compiling via distcc on my older Athlon64 (even though my Athlon64 workstation is well capable of it) so I have no performance loss while compiling.

I might also add to this that I installed Gentoo on a pc at chruch that is used strictly for audio recording and editing and it has run flawlessly since I installed it.

Many say Gentoo is to bleeding edge for real work but I have had less problems with it then any other Distro.

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I wouldn't call Gentoo bleeding edge, not compared with the unofficial versions of LFS and BLFS ;)

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Haha, and people complain about the installation process of Gentoo. LFS is some serious hardcore chit. The focus on compilation in Gentoo is more than just optimization, also it's about customization, ie USE flags and CFLAGS.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
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Building a base LFS system is pretty straight forward. Pretty much a no-brainer ;)

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I wouldn't consider it bleeding edge compared to fedora rawhide either ;)

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re_re Member since:
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you're missing the point, I was simply saying that most businesses/coorporations would not use it because it does not have a stable branch.

In saying that, my experience with Gentoo has been that it is more stable without a stable branch then many of the "stable" coorporate oriented distros that i have used.

Edited 2005-11-22 19:03

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Here's why Gentoo rocks
by jbauer on Mon 21st Nov 2005 09:49 UTC
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- All the software I need is in Portage
- It has recent software
- Can be upgraded continuosly
- No need to mess with repositories just to get DivX or mp3 working
- After a year and a half, my installation is up to date and keeps working wonderfully

It's no wonder I love Gentoo.

Edited 2005-11-21 09:50

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not for everyone but great for some
by ohbrilliance on Mon 21st Nov 2005 10:14 UTC
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I've been using Gentoo at home for close to two years, and on my work PC for the last six months. In that time I've only installed from scratch once, having copied my home laptop's disk image to my work PC. I've found the installation time worth it for a PC that I use full-time, since the extra work pays dividends for a long-term customised and stable system. For any low-spec machine or that I need to quickly get going, I just put on Ubuntu, Fedora Core, or whatever else is lying around.

As for compiling updates, I don't notice any performance hit while simultaneously updating and working on my PC.

Gentoo isn't right for everybody, but please don't dis it just because it doesn't suit your needs.

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Gentoo, good, bad, ugly.
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 12:37 UTC
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I think Gentoo is good for new users who are trying to learn more about linux and their computer in general, and who have the patience to read the documentation.

It's not good for people like me, who having already been down the road of learning and have even done the compile pretty much everything (I started using Linux in the Redhat 4.2/Debian 1.2 days). While there were packages for somethings, most things still needed to be compiled. I've lost patience for that and just want an up and running system to tweak to my needs.

For instance, I was considering putting Gentoo on my MythTV box. It takes approximately 45 min on it to compile Xmame. Since didn't know specifically which USE and CFLAGS to use to get Xmame to work properly with MythGame, then I had to continously try to re-compile it. Though this isn't necessarily a Gentoo issue, more with the way that Xmame compiles. With Debian, at least I can just 'apt-get install xmame-sdl' and it grabs the proper package.

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just a question
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 13:30 UTC
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i don't know much about networking but i saw that portage uses wget to retrieve files from the servers.

Thinking about scalability, can the use of bittorrent in portage give some advantage? some ebuilds can contain torrents inside and instead of wget they're fetched with bittorrent. Anyway they use MD5 to verify the contents...

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gentoo vs debian
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 14:41 UTC
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I'm not sure how gentoo is for ricers. It's for having control over your system. Debian doesn't give you near the control over it and Debian is just a bigger pain to maintain.

Funny thing is that I install both types. In general for machines that get a lot of every day use I go gentoo. For more special purpose manchines or for non-linux users I go with kubuntu.

2005.1 has some annoying bugs with their kernel which I hope have been fixed. There's a couple of good recovery tools the gentoo distro disks have been missing, I'll have to check if they have them yet or not and probably get off my rear and suggest they put them in (stuff like dd-rescue)

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RE: gentoo vs debian
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 14:57 UTC in reply to "gentoo vs debian"
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Bigger pain? How could a "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" (maybe in a cron job) every morning be a bigger pain?

If you entered the right archives (standard Debian archives) than you will never get any pain with Debian.

But to show that this is no trolling: With just updating the installed SW per emerge there will no pain with Gentoo,too. But as Gentoo has no stable tree there could be some pain here or there (but that will come from the software in the package not from the package,speak the Gentoo dev.)

So where is the bigger pain? That is what I want to know. Thanks!

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For the record
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 15:33 UTC
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I'm not a huge geek, but I am practical, and Gentoo is the best god damn Linux server I have ever used.

#1 Documentation
You won't find an outdated any incomplete micro-HOWTO's on Gentoo's site... Only clear, thorough, and complete information.

#2 Community
Why pay for support when you have one of the most active forums in the Linux industry?

#3 Portage
Thanks to portage I no longer have to "upgrade" my Linux servers every six months. Nor do I have to hunt down hundreds dependencies (or apt/yum repositories) when installing software. Also security updates are easy to obtain and you never become obsolete thanks to this baby.

The people who say installing Gentoo takes too long are uneducated trolls. I can have a Server setup and ready to go in about an hour. The only hard thing about Gentoo is trying to use it as a desktop (but they are working on that).

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RE: For the record
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 19:51 UTC in reply to "For the record"
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Stop living in denial, your a huge geek.

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Whatever @ Trolls
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 15:36 UTC
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I'm not a huge geek, but I am practical, and Gentoo is the best god damn Linux server I have ever used.

#1 Documentation
You won't find an outdated any incomplete micro-HOWTO's on Gentoo's site... Only clear, thorough, and complete information.

#2 Community
Why pay for support when you have one of the most active forums in the Linux industry?

#3 Portage
Thanks to portage I no longer have to "upgrade" my Linux servers every six months. Nor do I have to hunt down hundreds dependencies (or apt/yum repositories) when installing software. Also security updates are easy to obtain and you never become obsolete thanks to this baby.

The people who say installing Gentoo takes too long are uneducated trolls. I can have a Server setup and ready to go in about an hour. The only hard thing about Gentoo is trying to use it as a desktop (but they are working on that).

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Gentoo just works
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 18:15 UTC
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Windows: reboot reboot reboot ... reboot re...

Most Linux Distros: reinstall reinstall reinstall ... re...

Gentoo: Just Use It!

Gotta love It ;)

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RE: Gentoo just works
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 19:23 UTC in reply to "Gentoo just works"
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I agree 100%. I'm 40 years old, so definitely not part of the ricer crowd. But I love Gentoo's flexibility. I'm in the process of doing a Stage 1 installation of 2005.1 AMD64 edition on my brand new 80GB SATA hard drive. But now that 2005.1r1 is out, I'm gonna start over.

I've had 2004.3 running rock solid since it came out, and it never goes down unless I have to power it off. And any problems I've run into all get fixed by editing a config file. Two minutes and I'm done.

The hype might be over, but I could care less. As long as Gentoo is around, I'm a happy Linux user.

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I hear archlinux.
by Anonymous on Mon 21st Nov 2005 21:51 UTC
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As far as I know its like gentoo its i686 optimized, its fast, customizable, not tons of packages but a nice repo. Install what you want and what you need just like gentoo.

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RE: I hear archlinux.
by puddleglum on Mon 21st Nov 2005 22:35 UTC in reply to "I hear archlinux."
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Is this just hear-say or have you used both gentoo and arch? I'd also be interested to find out if we are talking about desktop or server machines. I'm using gentoo on a desktop. I've tried others, like ubuntu, but they do run noticably slower, so I keep coming back to gentoo.

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RE: I hear archlinux.
by jbauer on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 00:24 UTC in reply to "I hear archlinux."
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Arch is not bad, but lacks many packages that are in Portage, documentation is not nearly as good, and Gentoo forums can't not be beaten.

Having tried Arch for a few weeks, I can say the only thing I found over Gentoo is that you don't have to wait for things to compile. And I must add, it's not something that bothers me much. It's not as if I could not use my computer while it compiles.

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Gentoo
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 03:19 UTC
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Gentoo is the only distro where KDE feels just as snappy and fast as my XP install.

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RE[3]: It's over
by de_wizze on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 06:41 UTC
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Yet for some reason car enthusiasts seem to like tinkering with their cars engine? I see nothing wrong with gaining hands-on practical experience through trial and error.

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