Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 17:11 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS Samba 3.0.20b and CUPS 1.1.23 have been ported to Syllable. Work has now begun to integrate the two into Syllable. Michael Saunders has also been active on the porting front and has ported a number of games and emulators to Syllable.
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Nice to
by dylansmrjones on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 18:14 UTC
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see the Syllable site working all fine again.

I don't know what the rest here thinks, but Syllable definitely looks (almost annoyingly) interesting to me. Small and lean (and mean); I like that ;)

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Install to HD
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 18:38 UTC
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I played with Syllable a while back. It was really nice but not really simple to install to HD. Has any work been done on the installer?

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RE: Install to HD
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 19:14 UTC in reply to "Install to HD"
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The installer is much the same as it has been for a while. Most of it is pretty straightforward -- hardware detection is automatic at boot, and it doesn't bamboozle you with software selection.

Disk partitioning, like with any OS, can be fiddly, but probably the most complex part is manually installing Grub at the end. Still, if you follow the docs it isn't too difficult.

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Thanks
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 19:23 UTC
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Thanks for the reply. I will give it a try with the next release. I had a bit of a hard time with partitioning and Grub. I have a PC that I can dedicate to installing so that I don't have to worry about things going bad.

Dave

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SDL
by Nathan O. on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 19:52 UTC
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Michael initially ported SDL, and via that has had his success porting games and emulators. This also means that general SDL development can target Syllable now... or at least begin to think about it.

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RE: SDL
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 22:50 UTC in reply to "SDL"
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Well, Arno Klenke deserves the credit for the proper port -- I did a (mostly useless) demo port a while back which only had ASCII art output :-)

Arno's port has proper Syllable video and sound, and aside from a couple of bugs it's excellent. And the great thing is, SDL coders don't need to think about SDL -- as long as they write clean code, their apps will run on any platform SDL supports.

I can certainly say that DOSBox and ZSNES are two of the best projects for good code (although ZSNES currently has some weird GUI keybinding issues).

M-Saunders

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RE[2]: SDL
by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 22:52 UTC in reply to "RE: SDL"
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Oops, that should be "SDL coders don't even need to think about Syllable" above. Beer + hacking = typos :-)

M-S

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RE[3]: SDL
by hobgoblin on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 00:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: SDL"
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maybe its time to get yourself an account?
that way you can edit your own posts ;)

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RE[4]: SDL
by Bringbackanonposting on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 02:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: SDL"
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"maybe its time to get yourself an account?
that way you can edit your own posts ;) "

Don't bow to peer pressure - anon posting must live on!

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by Anonymous on Tue 22nd Nov 2005 22:32 UTC
boot loader
by JohnMG on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 00:00 UTC
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> I had a bit of a hard time with partitioning and Grub.

It's been a while, and I never tried Atheos back in the day, but BeOS had that nice utility... "bootman" I think. I guess bootman was a client for some some other backend boot loader program that users never had to touch.

Instead of grub, why doesn't Syllable use something more user friendly like a bootman clone?

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RE: boot loader
by Anonymous on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 02:37 UTC in reply to "boot loader"
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I'm very confident that this will happen in the future. At least, there'll likely be a front-end to GRUB at least. I'm on the mailing list and the Syllable dev's are very focused on ease of use, and keeping things simple (witness driver detection/installation!). [my opinion as a non-syllable dev] Right now, OS installation isn't that important, as they aren't really ready for average users who would need a simple installer yet.

That said, the lead developer, Vanders, made it his new years resolution last year to be able to use Syllable as his main OS on his computer, and I'd say he's definitely made a lot of progress toward that goal. The very basic apps are there (email, web, media player), albeit still under construction.

I'm impressed - the ports of CUPS, Samba, and to a lesser extent SDL seem like they came out of nowhere!

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I loved BeOS in its day, and am glad to see some of its spirit live on in Syllable.

I downloaded the latest Syllable Live CD, and tried it on two of my PC's...nothing but error messages and no GUI on one, the other gave a slew of errors but would boot into a GUI, albeit only in safe mode. The Ethernet card was not detected on either PC so I wasn't able to try the browser out.

It's early days, though, and I wish the project great success. I look forward to trying a later version with better success on my hardware.

-Gnobuddy

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Hopefully 0.6.0 will fix some ATAPI bugs that stops Syllable booting on some machines. Although I'm not sure what you mean by "Safe mode"? I'd also be interested to know what ethernet card you have in your computer?

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Vanders, our live and demo CDs have a Safe Mode boot entry that disables experimental stuff like AGP, ACPI and SMP. :-) Makes a lot more systems boot.

Kaj

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Syllable is open source. Actually it's also "Free Software" (free as in speech).

Read at the Syllable OS website: [i]The entire source is available via the GPL.[i]

http://www.syllable.org/get.php

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It is open source. You could take anything you would like from the project as long as you follow the licensing.

Are you pissed because they don't develop anything that is useful to you? Tough...

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Just wait a little... :-)

Kaj

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I'm not pissed off. & i know that Syllabe is open source too. I just would like to see "anything" that can make other OSS better. I mean. Currently Syllabe take many from other OSS. & it's fine, i kile it because it make syllabe more useful. It's good but, it don't stimulate any OSS to evoluate. I don't care is it be usefull for me or not. I just would ike to Syllabe make something that will be so good, that other projects will try to make their own software better. Or make something, that may be useful in other open source operating systems. Or syllabe be something, that will push other open source operating system projects to make better product ;) Currently as i se, Syllabe take many things. I'm just wait for moment, that Syllabe will be able to show somethign really new & really important, that will efecy whole OSS community ;)

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Well, in my opinion, Syllable itself is pretty new and pretty important. Now it's up to you to use it, and that will automatically put pressure on other projects to compete with us. A handful of developers are not a market influence, but a horde of users are.

In case you want something concrete, I present to you exhibit B(uilder), Syllable's build system that you can also use on Linux, and probably other systems with small tweaking. It allows you to easily build several software packages that are not available on most other systems, like the programming languages Io and Orca.

A few weeks ago I presented Syllable and Builder on a Linux meeting in the Netherlands.

Kaj

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Sorry for errors/mistakes
by Anonymous on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 14:49 UTC
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& sorry for my mistakes, i think i should not write when i'm seek ;)

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