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That will never happen. Then all the sites that don't render in Mozilla today will suddenly break, and we know that Microsoft would never allow that.

"Just base it on the Mozilla engine and be done with it."

No thanks. Everyone on the planet isn't having a love fest with Mozilla-base browsers. Some of us think they totally suck.

The originator based their choice on security and ability to correctly render CSS2, and you base your opinion on personal feelings over a few million lines of code with a name tacked on it? Mozilla UI is seperate from the render engine, perhaps you do no understand this and were thinking that the originator was implying that MS not use IE but Firefox etc. The gecko engine could be used in IE, keeping the same UI on top as before, and then you'd hate it just because the rendering engine is made by someone else?

What is it with you?

Na, I think the funniest part would be if they adopted Webkit

Anyway, regarding the IE web engine, I've always wondered, if they made the WHOLE core of their browser, that is, the parts that do the heavy lifting, and re-wrote it in c#, wouldn't that in theory make their browser alot more secure being that everything would occur in a sadbox, so even if the built in boarder of the HTML rendering engine is broken, the VM sandbox is still there to protect the end user.

'As a general question, if IE were released and was really good, would people ditch Firefox and Opera to go back to it??'

I don't think it would matter so much, because IE users probably still make up 90% of the market. A lof of the reasons why people ditch IE is because of security concerns. If those security concerns went away with IE7, I doubt a lot of people would bother switching. Most of the 'Joe Users' I've evern seen using Firefox or Opera (that I have installed for them) don't even bother to use the features (such as tabbed browsing) that are currently missing in IE, even if I sit down and show them how those features work. For example, I taught my dad how to use mouse gestures in Opera. His response 'Wow, that's cool ... I think I could get used to this', but he never used them AFAIK.

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I have a mac, and I can't even use Safari and Camino solely because of the damn Gmail Delete Button extension!!

They're going to do IE 7 for the Mac?

BTW, gmail works fine in Opera 8.51 for OS X.

Gmail Delete Button is a Greasemonkey script. It does NOT work fine, because it only works in Firefox. As far as I know, there is no way to extend Safari or Opera or Camino like that.

What "people" are you talking about? Even if IE7 was a hundred times better and worked on linux with an open source license I still doubt people would use it.

Then 90%+ of the web page viewing public will not have an optimal experience. Good call.

Did you get fired from your last web developer job?

Do you even develop websites?

A lot of people who like to do a proper job with webdesign (i.e. actually give two planks about maintainability and _not_ use Dreamweaver) feel the same. Even if IE is 90% of the market, I'm not wasting 90% of my time on forever maintaining bad webcode to appease IE. I code as best as possible for standards and then go back over and make the necesary fixes so that it works in IE until it is good enough. The amount of time I save by writing the site properly in the first place is more than worth having an only slightly degraded experience in IE. Here's my own personal example http://aupair.uk.com but I by no means claim it to be a good one.

Yes, I do do web design, and giving IE users the same experience as Safari/Firefox/Opera users only requires a slightly deeper understanding of XHTML/CSS. You need to be consciously aware of IE's bugs, and work around them.

Ugly code is not needed. Creativity is.

Well, there is optimal experience in IE, and there is optimal experience in Firefox.

As Firefox have more to give, chances are that the pages will look better in Firefox but that doesn't nesessarily mean that they look bad in IE, just not as good as they do in Firefox.

As Firefox have something between 5 and 30% of the market (depending on what market you aim for), it probably would be a good call in most cases to make the pages look good in both or more browsers.

If you write code that conforms to standards, your pages will probably look good in IE. It is not that bad after all. It is only that int Firefox, the web developer will have a few more standards to play around with to make the pages even better.

If you ever looked at the old Firefox home page in IE and compared it to how it looked in Firefox you know what I mean.

Besides, if you make standards compliant pages, there is much less risk that the page will not work, if users for one reason or another decides to switch browsers as users tend to to as soon as there is a security alert. If you follow the standard it shouldn't matter if they use IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Konqueror or something else.

And yes, a professional web developer can make beautiful pages that follows even the limited set of standards given by IE.

Microsoft also said that a public beta was to be expected - summer, This Year!

DOS = Denial Of Service. In this case, they can't use Firefox until they delete the history file. Sounds fitting to me.

Why not ditch FF and IE for k-meleon instead its more advanced than ie and loads faster than both IE and FF?

and I can at least enjoy _real_ smooth scrolling.

That's the first time I've seen someone say that the like IE's smooth scrolling. I've always found it made scrolling less accurate/responsive (especially on slow machines) and seems like a poor way to compensate for how jerky the "non-smooth" scrolling is in IE.

That's one thing I've always liked about Opera, even years ago when I was stuck on a P75 laptop at work, it still felt smoother when scrolling pages than IE does.

Varg, if you want smooth scrolling in Firefox...try this extension, SmoothWheel:

https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=357&applicatio...

For the "locking up" issue, you probably need to tweak Firefox' GUI settings with FasterFox:

http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/

I'm also waiting for IE7 and using Firefox but i don't understand why Microsoft didn't release updates for IE6? They should have been fix the standards support in IE6.
I don't understand at all.

Have you seen the Acid test in Firefox 1.5? They already said they won't pass Acid2 in FF 1.5 or 2.0.

Yes, I know but Acid2 looks much better in Fx than in IE ;-) Only few bugs need to be fixed -> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289480