Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 10th Dec 2005 19:27 UTC
General Development This article describes how to use Subversion with the Eclipse IDE. In particular, it examines the installation and use of the Subclipse plug-in. Along the way, I also show you how to use the resulting configuration to modify or extend the Subclipse plug-in itself.
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Svn
by Emil on Sun 11th Dec 2005 07:08 UTC
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2005-06-29

Subversion is my favorite. I wish all projects would be so clean, easy to use and setup.

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Source Safe
by agentj on Sun 11th Dec 2005 07:23 UTC
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2005-08-19

Personally I prefer MS Visual SourceSafe. Why? Because it's easy to install and use. I spend time on programming instead of learning text commands do to anything.
SVN support in Eclipse also looks nice. Maybe I'll start using it from now.

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RE: Source Safe
by emarkp on Sun 11th Dec 2005 07:57 UTC in reply to "Source Safe"
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2005-09-10

We just moved our project from VSS to SVN, using vss2svn. It's phenomenal. Our productivity has increased dramatically as we're able to easily branch and merge.

Additionally it's trivial to look at a source file and find out who made a change and when (using svn blame), which helps us track down ripple bugs.

And our build process is vastly simpler. Because of the atomic operations, we don't have to warn of a build and worry that a dev might accidentally do something that will screw things up mid-build.

Also, using http and dav, we're able to give restricted permissions to a remote group, which allows them to work better and safer.

We use the excellent TortoiseSVN plugin for windows. I'll take a look at the Eclipse plugin.

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RE: Source Safe
by Anonymous on Sun 11th Dec 2005 14:03 UTC in reply to "Source Safe"
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One word: tortoisesvn. Nothing easier on the client side.

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RE: Source Safe
by segedunum on Sun 11th Dec 2005 14:36 UTC in reply to "Source Safe"
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2005-07-06

Personally I prefer MS Visual SourceSafe. Why? Because it's easy to install and use.

You need a cat scan if you think SourceSafe is anywhere near the quality and ease of SourceSafe.

I spend time on programming instead of learning text commands do to anything.

TortoiseSVN in Windows Explorer and Subclipse in Eclipse. Easy to manage. There's one for Visual Studio as well.

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RE[2]: Source Safe
by segedunum on Sun 11th Dec 2005 16:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Source Safe"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

You need a cat scan if you think SourceSafe is anywhere near the quality and ease of SourceSafe.

What?! Well, I need my eyes tested! That should read "anywhere near the quality and ease of Subversion." Use Subversion and your productivity will go up!

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Questions about SVN
by Anonymous on Sun 11th Dec 2005 11:02 UTC
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I remember reading that SVN had bugs and I remember the recommendation was not to use it for production. I also read recently that CVS had a few bugs too. We use CVS and CVSNT but because of the better integration with Eclipse, I am tempted to push for SVN. Has anyone some information on the reliability of SVN ?

Thanks.

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RE: Questions about SVN
by corentin on Sun 11th Dec 2005 11:28 UTC in reply to "Questions about SVN"
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2005-08-08

> Has anyone some information on the reliability of SVN ?

I use it for production, with a quite big repository and it works well. I tend to prefer using "FSFS" storage rather than Berkeley DB but both should be reliable.

Regarding bugs... Well, all software have bugs! The difference is in the way the developers handle them. And the Subversion developers seem to be responsive.

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RE[2]: Questions about SVN
by MaritimeSource on Sun 11th Dec 2005 18:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Questions about SVN"
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2005-11-10

The most recent release of this is "Version 0.9.101". If they don't think it's ready for 1.*, then I wouldn't suggest using it in a production environment.

But I'm looking forward to when it's ready!

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RE[3]: Questions about SVN
by corentin on Sun 11th Dec 2005 19:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Questions about SVN"
corentin Member since:
2005-08-08

Considering the fact that the GCC project recently moved from CVS to SVN, it is definitely ready for production use...

Other big projects using Subversion include KDE, Apache, Mono and Samba.

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RE[3]: Questions about SVN
by unoengborg on Sun 11th Dec 2005 19:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Questions about SVN"
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2005-07-06

The most recent release of this is "Version 0.9.101". If they don't think it's ready for 1.*, then I wouldn't suggest using it in a production environment.

But I'm looking forward to when it's ready!


You have to realize that the version number seldom have anything to do with the quality of the software. Especially not in free software, where 1.0 often is used to represent the unattainable perfect version with no flaws whatsoever.

Just because it turns 1.0 doesn't necessarily mean that it is ready. It could be ready at 0.9.37 (the current version number of subclipse) or it could be ready at 1.01. The only way to find out if it is ready is to test it.

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RE: Questions about SVN
by segedunum on Sun 11th Dec 2005 14:38 UTC in reply to "Questions about SVN"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I remember reading that SVN had bugs and I remember the recommendation was not to use it for production.

Not true.

Has anyone some information on the reliability of SVN ?

Yes. It's absolutely fine. If you're used the the quality of something like SourceSafe then you're going to have absolutely no worries.

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RE[2]: Questions about SVN
by klynch on Sun 11th Dec 2005 21:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Questions about SVN"
klynch Member since:
2005-07-06

What's not true? Of course SVN has bugs... or "issues" as they refer to them. I haven't heard or seen any major flaws in the system recently.
http://subversion.tigris.org/project_issues.html


You may want to check out the subversion website.
http://subversion.tigris.org/
They have a lot of useful information on there, especially in their SVN book.

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RE: Questions about SVN
by unoengborg on Sun 11th Dec 2005 18:03 UTC in reply to "Questions about SVN"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

I wouldn't worry. Most bugs are fixed by now.

However I would reccomend using javahl instead of the pure java javaSVN in the subclipse plugin. This is much more mature, last time I checked JavaSVN had some internationalization problems.

Unfortunately javahl is a PITA to install on Unix/Linux as you usually have to build it yourself and put the .so file into $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/i386 and the jar files into $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/ext or make sure they are on the LD_LIBARARYPATH and the java CLASSPATH.

From what I understand, javahl is installed automagically on windows.

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Strange Eclipse behavior
by agentj on Sun 11th Dec 2005 11:05 UTC
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2005-08-19

Unfortunatelly I can't try Eclipse under Windows XP. During the online update, my network card refuses to work (it works for everything else). Has anyone seen such behavior ?

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RE: Strange Eclipse behavior
by corentin on Sun 11th Dec 2005 11:21 UTC in reply to "Strange Eclipse behavior"
corentin Member since:
2005-08-08

> Has anyone seen such behavior ?

Well, it is quite weird.
Anyway, you can use Eclipse without using the auto update feature; you can unzip the plugins in the Eclipse directory instead.

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You can use it
by Anonymous on Sun 11th Dec 2005 20:23 UTC
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But there are some rather annoying bugs still in there,
doing a deeply nested copy on folders, basically copies the svn data with it, which causes some problems, also refactoring causes similar effects, but besides that it works quite well.

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To clarify things up
by Anonymous on Sun 11th Dec 2005 23:33 UTC
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I have not meant svn, which is astoundingly bugfree (way less quirks than CVS) but subclipse, which still is one of the best if not the best frontends to SVN.

Anyway if you still are on CVS I really can recommend to move over to SVN, it is way better than anything CVS has to offer.

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