Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 13th Dec 2005 20:21 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Last week OSNews had the pleasure of meeting with three of the people behind the new Nokia S60 browser sharing with us information about the project. Dig in for more info and lots of screenshots.
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Mobile browsing
by Feike Wierda on Tue 13th Dec 2005 22:02 UTC
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This has probably been asked many times before, but wat are the real world uses for mobile browsing?

I mean, this new Nokia thingy looks really neat and it appears to be a real improvement over the 'previous generation' mobile browsers, but how many people are actually going to use this on a daily basis?

To me, these gadgets are still mostly something you buy, show to your friends over a few beers in your favorite bar ("Look here, guys, this is really coolll") and then stick it back in your pocket only to never use the browsing capabilities of your phone again. Or am I the only one who it this way?

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RE: Mobile browsing
by jaboua on Tue 13th Dec 2005 22:11 UTC in reply to "Mobile browsing"
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As long as I have enough money on my card, I browse wap and if I'm on the road, I use opera mini some times, so yes, I would probably use it.

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RE: Mobile browsing
by Eugenia on Tue 13th Dec 2005 22:13 UTC in reply to "Mobile browsing"
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2005-06-28

Most of the new Nokia phones come with WiFi, so these phones --eventually-- are going to replace the PDAs, at least in the business world. Quite a few people use a mobile device to browse the net daily, OSNews alone receives 2000 hits daily from mobile/text-mode users.

I personally use mobile browsing quite a bit. There are mobile pages for slashdot, news.com, gmail, osnews, gnomefiles, msn, yahoo etc, and when there is none, RSS does it as well too.

Last week we went to Reno, NV, for vacations with my husband and we had with us an MS smartphone with a 176x220 screen. While driving there we used it to go to weather sites and check out the weather and the road conditions (it was snowing you see). It proved to be an extremely useful tool, even if involved a lot of scrolling around with IE.

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Re: Mobile pages
by Anonymous on Tue 13th Dec 2005 22:54 UTC
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What is the mobile page for Gmail?

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RE: Re: Mobile pages
by Eugenia on Tue 13th Dec 2005 22:59 UTC in reply to "Re: Mobile pages"
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2005-06-28

I have installed a modified gmail-lite engine on my server and I use that. It's a modified interface from this: http://gmail-lite.sourceforge.net/ (my version is more mobile-friendly and I use it only for myself -- the author of gmail-lite didn't care about my UI changes to make it more compatible with more mobile browsers).

Failing that, Gmail will just work using its desktop layout, but without the Ajax JS code, just in plain HTML mode.

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RE: Re: Mobile pages
by Eugenia on Tue 13th Dec 2005 23:12 UTC in reply to "Re: Mobile pages"
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2005-06-28

I uploaded two screenshots from my Dell x50v while using my modified Gmail-Lite version on my server:
http://www.osnews.com/img/12965/gmail1.png
http://www.osnews.com/img/12965/gmail2.png

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What about the 770?
by leos on Wed 14th Dec 2005 00:09 UTC
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2005-09-21

I hope they get this running on the Nokia 770 sometime. I was surprised that they were running Opera on that, but maybe they just weren't far enough along with this browser yet.

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RE: What about the 770?
by bsharitt on Wed 14th Dec 2005 04:51 UTC in reply to "What about the 770?"
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2005-07-07

I agree, I'd like to a version for the 770, if for no other reason than that'd it probably be GTK+ based, and could be proted to other platforms.

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RE[2]: What about the 770?
by Anonymous on Wed 14th Dec 2005 15:40 UTC in reply to "What about the 770?"
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The 770 runs Linux (based on Debian), so a port to this would be even easier.

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"Most nokia phones support WIFI?"
by Anonymous on Wed 14th Dec 2005 08:52 UTC
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Do they? I think of all 40 models or so nokia has maybe 2 maximum 3 phones supporting wifi. This is of course not bad since this is just a beginning. But it is far from most of nokia phones.

Also you can not sit and surf on wifi for long before your battery runs out. Especially with the nokias standby. With Sony Ericssons P990 you could do a bit longer but still you could surf much longer on GPRS/UMTS.

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Anonymous, the next time you decide to quote me, do it RIGHT. I said "most of the new Nokia phones", not "most Nokia phones". Most of the *new* Nokia Symbian phones do come with WiFi, like the E61, the N92, the N80, the E70 etc.

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Other Symbian platforms?
by Anonymous on Wed 14th Dec 2005 15:39 UTC
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With this being ported to Symbian, I wonder what the chances of having this ported to other platforms like S80, S90, and of greatest interest to me, UIQ. I use Opera 6 on my P910 because it's the best browser available, but if a KHTML browser for UIQ2 were released, I'd definitely switch over to that!

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RE: Other Symbian platforms?
by Eugenia on Wed 14th Dec 2005 19:05 UTC in reply to "Other Symbian platforms?"
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If you had read the article, you would have the answer to these questions.

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Excellent!
by 1c3d0g on Wed 14th Dec 2005 16:53 UTC
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This is one of the best articles I've read so far on OSNews. It's very well detailed, precise and it answered all of my questions, even informing me of things I did not know. Eugenia, my hat's off to you. ;-)

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Really 2.4" ?
by MarcTGFG on Thu 15th Dec 2005 14:29 UTC
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2005-12-15

was under the impression, that the N80, E60 and E70 all have 2.1" screens as the N70, N90, 6680 and basically every other old series 60 phone. 2.4" is quite a bit bigger than 2.1" and not that much smaller than 2.8".

symplification.com says the N80 is 2.1" And I read it somewhere else too.

So, whats right? You guys obviously work with a N80 so you can just measure it yourselves.

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RE: Really 2.4" ?
by Eugenia on Thu 15th Dec 2005 16:36 UTC in reply to "Really 2.4" ?"
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2005-06-28

>symplification.com says the N80 is 2.1"

If it's 2.1", then the situation is even worse than I mentioned in the article.

>Why not let the user set a minimum text size in pixel like Opera desktop does?

Because this defeats the purpose of the high resolution screen. What's the poind of having a 352x416 screen when even a PocketPC 240x320 can show more text information in one screen then?

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RE[2]: Really 2.4" ?
by MarcTGFG on Thu 15th Dec 2005 18:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Really 2.4" ?"
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2005-12-15

so, what is it, I just want to know what screen size it is, since it might turn me to the Nokia N71 which does have a 2.4" screen

Anyway.

I would rather be able to read web pages at all, even if that DEFIES the purpose of a higher resolution screen. We should petition Nokia to use physically larger screens. Maybe 2.6 or 2.7" screens would be the perfect compromise, couple that with Operas zoom funtion and you get the desired result.

Edited 2005-12-15 18:35

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What is mobile browsing for?
by MarcTGFG on Thu 15th Dec 2005 14:34 UTC
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2005-12-15

I also domobile browsing with my T-Mobile MDA compact on a 2.8" screen via GPRS. Many tech pages are optimised like engadget and are quite readable.

I also and mainly use it for web based chat rooms. Where 24h availability can mean the difference between a pleasant evening and a wild night ;-)

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Readability workaround
by MarcTGFG on Thu 15th Dec 2005 14:35 UTC
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I understand the challenge of viewing that small text on such a small screen. Why not let the user set a minimum text size in pixel like Opera desktop does? Shouldnt be too hard to code, right?

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