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They had to test out the new Icon.

Anyways, it was news to me. I didn't know this was coming so quick. 10.4.3 hasn't been out much over a month. It seemed to take a long time to come, then this one comes fast.

Lets just keep fingers crossed for fix to the safari memory leak, and maybe proper raw support finally.

How is this news?

Why don't you explain how this is not OS-related news.

Well it is OS-related news, can't argue with that. But seeing this is the third "10.4.4 is coming" article, don't you think it could be held of till... say 10.4.4 was released, then I would be happy to know what was added for certain.

Atleast it's not another "Windows Vista is coming" or "comparing Linux and Symbian in the embedded toaster market" article .

dont even bother making a post if this isnt a news to you, go check other sites that you think have news for you.

and in fact it is a valid OS news.

Is there any info about what new features will be available in 10.5, and when it might be released?

Well, it's not official yet, but everything points to the first Intel Macs being released in January next year. And I believe that the Intel Macs would load with 10.5.

So, 1 + 1 = 2.

Well, it's not official yet, but everything points to the first Intel Macs being released in January next year. And I believe that the Intel Macs would load with 10.5.

Extremely unlikely.
1)10.5 features might be announced in January, but seeing as it has not even started public (ADC) beta there is no chance ofit being released.
2)The first line of Intel Macs is due out within the next 6 months.
3) Finally while hardware is an uber secret prior to launch Apple LOVES building hype for the next major release of OS X, so far nothing to speak of has been announced.

So given these factors, the first Intel Macs will almost definitely 10.4.x when released.

Edited 2005-12-17 21:02

No, sorry. Jobs said months ago that 10.5 will be out in time to compete with Vista. He made a comment about Vista possibly catching up in part with 10.4's features, but by that time, they'd have 10.5 out which would set Apple further ahead.

10.5 will not come preloaded on Intel Macs, at least not at their debut.

The word is that the first round of Intel Macs will be loaded with 10.4.4, which is likely to be the first version of OS X *fully* sync'ed with the between PowerPC and Intel.

In fact, many sites believe that the real push behind 10.4.4 is better support for universal binaries and misc cross platform touch ups.

The Intel Macs will likely release with some version of 10.4.x. 10.5 is supposed to be out around late 2006, to compete with Vista.

I hope thats not a G3 iMac, 10.5 most likely will phase the G3 out completely...

I'm not the guy above, but I also own an iMac G3, which I love (since it is not my primary computer ^_^). While you could obviously not call my iMac G3 400 fast, 10.3 made it noticeable less slow than it was with 10.2, which in turn made it noticeable less slow than 10.1, which of course made it noticeable less slow than 10.0 (which was a joke of an OS, speed-wise, so there's no merit in this last one…).

The transition from 10.3 to 10.4 was not that noticeable, speed-wise, but it definitely did not make it slower…

Aside from bugs, I don't think 10.4 is screaming for anything new. Maybe a whole new webkit/safari/dashboard. Thats about the most unstable part of the OS.

I'd throw Finder and I/O system in there too. If APple gets Quartz 2D Extreme working for the 10.5 release, fixes Safari's general buginess, puts in a new Finder, and improves I/O performance, 10.5 will be an extremely solid competitor to Vista.

I agree. Finder and the whole I/O system need some serious revamping. Don't ask me why, or how, but those two are the weakest links in an otherwise excellent OS.

So how do you know, if you don't know why?

It's just annoying to use, and lacks key features -- like a display of where you are in your folder tree. When doing an in-Finder spotlight search, and you click a file, it shows a bar at the bottom of where that file is in your directory tree.

I WANT THAT PERMANENTLY SHOWN, AND NOT JUST FOR SPOTLIGHT SEARCHES.

In any case, Path Finder is an excellent alternative, and version 4 comes out this month. :-D

like a display of where you are in your folder tree.

Yes becuse we all know that most users cant rember what folders they have clicked threw secondly one can find out in spotlight search by clicking detales.


and as far as ftp that is what the Commandline is for

First of all, learn how to spell.

Second, sometimes I want to navigate back two/three/four folders in my tree without pounding my Back button.

Thirdly, you can take your command line, and shove that elitism up your ass. I prefer a GUI FTP client over a command-line one *any day of the freaking week*.

"What is wrong with the Finder?"

Its more "I want it to do more" than actually anything wrong with the finder itself.

Personally, I think there are some big changes for the Finder, the fact that they haven't merged them gradually in over the last several releases brings to the front the idea that maybe the design is so radical, from a design point, that it needs to be dropped into the OS all at once.

As for 10.4.4 - I'm actually quite happy with 10.4.3 so far, the jitterness when it comes to multi-tasking is gone - it seems they've made it alot more smoother; but with that being said, however, I would love to see a closer relationship between Microsoft and Apple - be it to get Microsoft Messenger up to the same standard as the Windows counter part, or the next best solution, simply make it an option within iChat - which IMHO would be a "good thing"(tm).

Oh, and it would be nice if the finally standardised their interface on atleast one of the many themes they've experimented; I like their new Mail look and feel with the unified toolbar/title bar, whilst at the same time, iTunes also looks very nice - what ever the case, a nice standardised them would realy make the look and feel look professional rather than a creation by a number of artists working at different ends of the countries, each with a different vision of what "post modern minimalistic' apparently is meant to be.

every tried to *move* two files speratly out of the same folder. Bummer doesn't work in finder.

The FTP / WebDAV support is freaking bad. The FTP hangs all the time with various FTP hosts, and WebDAV just, well, sucks. Without proper third party tools, you can't even do very basic things.

It hangs and crashed quite often at home. And I really don't do anything special, just move files from A to B and color tag them.

I wished you could "star" all files, not only color tag them. I'd love that. Version for files would be great too (but thats both more OS level itself).

"every tried to *move* two files speratly out of the same folder. Bummer doesn't work in finder. "

Huh, what are you talking about?

Its just a file manager, as good or bad as any other.

The real problem is that file managers are not one size fits all. This is a classic example of where "human interface standards" are a total dead end. You can see this every time there's a KDE/Gnome war here or elsewhere.

The solution is to get away from the idea that you have to have A file manager or A desktop environment, and into the mindset of providing multiple ones, and explaining to people what they are getting with each. So they can use what they need, and as their needs change, they can change the interface.

As long as you do not do that, you will always have a chorus of disapproval from some minority of your users who want it to work differently, and you'll always have the problem of not being able to please everyone.

go into a folder "A", you have eg 5 files there, start moving 2 of them into folder "B", and 3 of them into folder "C", whoops, when you try to move them into folder "C" finder says it can't do it, because another moving process is already going on. wtf? why can't he lock just the files that are moved, why does he need to lock the whole folder?

> With all the comments about how "bad" the finder is what exactly is the problem?

Try this... Connect via AFP from your Mac desktop to your Mac laptop. Move some files around, whatever. Put laptop to sleep. Go try and do something on the desktop finder while the whole thing hangs waiting to see if the share has gone away.

It seems like Finder simply cannot do two things at once.

Also, one would think that with Apple pushing devs to use Cocoa rather than Carbon as "the right way" to develop new apps, they'd heed their own advice with the most central piece of software on the desktop. That always puzzled me.

Well, I wouldn't totally right 10.5 off; personally, wait till June and find out what is going to be included - that is what I did with 10.4, I waited till a feature matrix came out, then decided to whether or not the features justified the cost of the upgrade.

Personally, I think Apple is going to be hard pressed to convince me of the need to upgrade based on the fact that 10.4 already delivers on everything I need in an operating system - but then again, I said that about 10.3 and 10.2 as well.

The only thing I can see on the horizon that may me useful for me are the massive impovements that are being merged into Webkit such as kdom, svg support, etc. whilst at the same time, I hope that there is more pollish bought to the over all experience, and as for Mactels, I will wait till the year after next year to purchase one, as I would be mainly looking at either a PowerMac + iBook or simply dumping the iMac G5 + iBook in favour or a PowerBook maxed out in all areas.