Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 10:06 UTC
Mac OS X Among the many milestones in the tech world this last year, one occurred almost without notice. The Bay Area NeXT Group, an important user group formed 15 years ago around Steve Jobs' second great computer design, slipped into history in 2005, even as the technology that sparked it reached millions of users under a new name: OS X.
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by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 11:24 UTC
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I've had a lot of positive experiences with user groups. You'll always find someone who's interested in the stuff you're interested in and you can learn a great deal from them.

Even today I look back at my Amiga days with great fondness. I haven't found anyone whose ever had an Amiga who wasn't in love with it.

And the Commodore 64, my first machine, was just love at first sight.

To all you people out there who built the really great early machines: thank you for giving so many users a great experience.

Today I'm involved in a Mac user group. The old fogies like me see a lot of new users coming in who have become interested in the platform. I think Steve Jobs should acknowledge us more. We have kept the candle burning. The fact that there's a great new Amiga OS still out there is solely due to the passion of the many users who wouldn't go without a fight.

User groups are essential to a platform's survival.

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blah
by SEJeff on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 13:48 UTC
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Next had it's place just like DOS had it's place... in it's own time.

That time is now over and it's been superceded by the latest and greatest incarnation of itsself. (Mac OS X). Long live OS X!

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I, for one,
by helf on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 16:17 UTC
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choose death over giving up my NeXT.

*hugs NeXT Station*

One day, I'll have a dimension turbo cube to call my own as well.

Some of the best computers ever created.

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RE: I, for one,
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 17:31 UTC in reply to "I, for one,"
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"choose death over giving up my NeXT.

*hugs NeXT Station* "

Alright, get a room. ;)

Seriously the NeXT machine was ahead of it's time. I found it an easy machine to start with and be productive without even reading the manual. Unix? What's that? Programming took some getting use to for those use to C/C++. Shame Steve mishandled it, but I guess with Apple buying NeXT? He got his revenge.

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RE[2]: I, for one,
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 18:31 UTC in reply to "RE: I, for one,"
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It wasn't that it was mishandled, it was all timing. the market had two main platforms already, people didn't want to have to support a third as well. Remember, this was back in a time when Apple and the IBM/Microsoft conglomorate were still rather competative to one another, before Microsoft took over. One could argue that Apple was mishandled rather successfully I do believe, but NeXT's failure was in large part due to the unwillingness of developers to support a third major operating system. Sad too.

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RE[3]: I, for one,
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 23:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I, for one,"
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Well that may have been a small part. Remember the NeXT hardware was aimed for the workstation and academic market. Apple really doesn't play in that market. While IBM does, so did several other companies, and price-wise they were better. It took NeXT quite some time to realize that hardware wasn't were it's at (BeOS made the same mistake). Time that could have been better spent elsewere.

This is all covered in "The NeXT book".

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RE[3]: I, for one,
by Bastian on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 23:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I, for one,"
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NeXT wasn't meant to fit the same market niche as PCs and Macs. NeXT's competitors were other UNIX workstations like SGI and Sun computers.

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NeXT rules!
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 17:54 UTC
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I'm the proud owner of one of the last Turbo cube runs, hooked up to a modern LCD monitor no less - also have the 50Mhz Pyro accelerator for my NeXTStation Color ;)

Anyone have free time to come up with a NeXT compatible 68060 based motherboard design? Anyone?

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RE: NeXT rules!
by jholt538 on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 19:05 UTC in reply to "NeXT rules!"
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Bueller

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Holy shit.

Those are worth a fortune. Congrats. :-D

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Sniff
by Sphinx on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 19:06 UTC
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I used it at 3M in the states and will miss it, truly one of the finer machines I've ever known. Mach ruled.

About the only thing greater than the next cube was the silly school or government only marketing scheme. Probably still wonder where they went wrong.

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History?????????????
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 19:49 UTC
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NeXT is history. Deal with it.

GNUstep


Wrong - MacOSX is alive, more than ever NeXTStep was...

Wake up and smell the f--king Coffee

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RE: History?????????????
by Anonymous on Fri 23rd Dec 2005 07:17 UTC in reply to "History?????????????"
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I doubt s/he would follow you.
It is pretty easy to distinguish a GNUstep advocate and a non-GNUStep advocate. ;)

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heh
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 20:02 UTC
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Love how anytime an article talks about anything going awy they mention OS/2. IBM doesn't officially stop shipping it until tommorow people. Give it's last full shipping date. And then, IBM will still support it on contracts. and really, eComStation is OS/2 with updates. So OS/2 is still shipping.

But geeez, the article is about NeXT, so hey, let's bring up OS/2. The other OSes they mention aren't supported by their founding companies, let alone those comanies still truly existing. And no, Commodore as an MP3 seller isn't the Commodore of 64 fame.

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BANG
by Anonymous on Thu 22nd Dec 2005 20:43 UTC
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I don't see how its really all that interesting. I attended BANG several times and they never discussed NeXT anyway, it was all OS X and WebObjects stuff. The group stayed current with the direction of NeXTStep/OpenStep into OS X but didn't really stay focused on old black hardware, so IMHO it was only the name that really remained as a throwback to the origons. I've still got my TurboSlab in the garage and fire it up from time to time... great little machine.

I will say, however, that during the build up to OS X you got a huge ammount of insider information by way of BANG, including first looks before anyone else direct from the developers themselves. BANG was a great group.

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