Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Dec 2005 16:52 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS The Syllable team has released an update to their latest 0.6.0 release-- Syllable 0.6.0a. This release will fix the most pressing bugs found in the 0.6.0 release, which can be found in the changelog. If you have already installed 0.6.0, you can use the upgrade package. Downloads are here.
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Where is the LiveCD?
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 17:23 UTC
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??? The best I can find is at http://www.syllable-livecd.info/ and all it lists is 0.5.7, with no actual links to ANYTHING whatsoever

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RE: Where is the LiveCD?
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 17:31 UTC in reply to "Where is the LiveCD?"
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I think there was a bug in the LiveCD. Until it's ironed out it wont be available.

I tried 0.6.0 (install cd) and works great & super fast. Reminds me of old BeOS days.

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v What is syllable?
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 17:56 UTC
RE: What is syllable?
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 28th Dec 2005 18:00 UTC in reply to "What is syllable?"
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WHY not state what syllable IS in your article!

Because we are not an encyclopedia or a wiki.

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v RE[2]: What is syllable?
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 13:18 UTC in reply to "RE: What is syllable?"
RE[3]: What is syllable?
by null_pointer_us on Thu 29th Dec 2005 14:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What is syllable?"
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Nor are you writing a useful artile without a sentence saying what the thing is you're writing about. First page in any journalism book.

I'm quite certain he does that when he writes an article, but this isn't an article - it's just a copy and paste of a press release with an OSNews-provided title. I suggest that if you want Thom to listen to your ideas, you would be careful to word your posts so as not to sound like a know-it-all. Try something like:

"Thom, your readers would be better served if you provided a one-line description of the software so that they don't have to navigate the site links themselves. This would also help people following the RSS feeds, BTW."

It sounds nice, provides a rationale, and acts as an incentive for Thom to follow up on your suggestions.

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RE: What is syllable?
by Ronald Vos on Thu 29th Dec 2005 02:32 UTC in reply to "What is syllable?"
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WHY not state what syllable IS in your article!

An alternative OS, duh ;)
Or you could check any of the previous articles to find out. Don't be so lazy.

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For those wondering what syllable is
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 17:57 UTC
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Syllable was born in July 2002 as a fork of the AtheOS operating system. Several AtheOS developers, concerned about the long-term development of AtheOS, created Syllable to ensure that development would continue.

The goal of Syllable is to create a reliable and easy-to-use open source operating system for the home and small office user. We also want to encourage developers to create an operating system that is intuitive, easy to use, and powerful.

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it looks ok... but I have never used it.
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 19:21 UTC
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What am I supposed to do with it that I cant do with a more mainstream OS's, meaning any linux, bsd, windows or OSX? trying not to sound cynical, I actually want to know why I should try it out.

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MechaShiva Member since:
2005-07-06

Why are you on this site? I'm not trying to be cynical, but this is mainly a site for hobbyists. If you need a reason, it's not a hobby.

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Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

Why do people moderate comments like his down?

The voting system as I recall doesn't allow voting down for the simple reason of dissagreement, the parent comment has to be inflamatory or a personal attack.

Over time it seems the voting system is getting more and more abused, it's hardly worth posting on this site any more.

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MechaShiva Member since:
2005-07-06

If you've been coming here since it's inception, you'd know what Syllable is. This is hardly their first release announcement (not their first this month even). As for sounding like a troll, Syallable is at version 0.6.0 and maintained by a small group of volunteers. Not to take anything away from their work (which I genuinely do admire), you can not compare it to the established desktop leaders and asking people to do that, while maybe not trollish, is definitely flamebait.

The fact that you'll take the time to read and post comments but won't check out the website to investigate syllable for yourself...well, who's the twit? cheers

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Why you should be interested:

Unlike current OpenSource systems, Syllable has been designed as a desktop Operating System. It is a complete OS, rather than a distribution of loosly assembled components. The system requirements are light, yet it carries many of the features you would expect to find in a desktop Operating System. It is tightly integrated, which reduces complexity and use of resources. Hardware support is pretty good (for a non-mainstream Operating System) The design is logical (& any usability issues found in current releases will be gone by the time we release version 1.0) The guiding principle has always been Keep It Simple, Stupid.

If you're a developer, Syllable offers a decent, upto date GNU toolchain, 99% POSIX/SuS compliance, an interesting and useful set of system-specific interfaces (E.g. file system attributes), a slim but complete GUI written in C++ that has a logical and orthangonal API. We also have a fully functional multi-media API, and we'll soon be adding an internet library that will take the hard work out of managing remote resources. The developer community is lively and friendly, and there is plenty of oppurtunity for a dedicated hacker to make their mark.

Syllable is just that good that you should at least keep an eye on us. Heck, when not give the latest LiveCD a try, once it's released? You've nothing to lose, after all!

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Nathan O. Member since:
2005-08-11

Vanders is being a bit modest. Hardware support is *fantastic*, for a non-mainstream OS project.

The developers are extremely well tempered and friendly, like Vanders said. The project makes relatively quick progress and implements a few very interesting features (though most of it is stuff you'd expect in a mainstream desktop OS, or at least wish for). A very refreshing group to keep an eye on.

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betson Member since:
2005-12-17

I notice you only discussed the C++ side of development.

Python? Ruby? Java? Mono?

Or is this strictly a C++ environment?

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Python port: Yes (might need some work)
Ruby port: Yes
Java port: In the works (FLOSS java, nothing from Sun)
Mono port: haven't heard of one yet.

As far as I know there are no GUI bindings any language, but that doesn't mean the community would welcome a developer willing to work on bindings (if you want to do this look at the KDE bindings for Ruby and Python, they have some interesting alternatives to SWIG).
Syllable is not monolingual, but the community is not large enough to port and maintain GUI bindings for all the languages developers might want to use. If you want to use one of these languages you will have to put some extra work into it at the moment.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

You're quite right. Once libsyllable has settled down, we're activly going to encourage bindings for other languages.

Jarek Pelczar has stated his intention to work on JamVM & GNU Classpath, and Henrik has already done most of the work in porting Mono. Once Java and/or .Net runtimes are available I'm sure we'll see either bindings for them. We may even see completely new libraries; there is no reason why we couldn't have a pure Java GUI library that talked directly to the appserver just as libsyllable does. Provided each library stuck to the protocols, applications written for each library would work together seamlessly.

Edited 2005-12-28 23:36

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MechaShiva Member since:
2005-07-06

Come down off your cloud there, champ. If I made that comment in the syllable forum, then you'd have a point. Don't blame me for you being lazy.

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looks cool, but no FF
by evert on Wed 28th Dec 2005 20:23 UTC
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It looks cool. I tried it two years ago but I could not get it working on my hardware. Still, I like the ideas behind it and the screenshots look OK.

But guys, be sure to get Firefox working on that thing :-)

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RE: looks cool, but no FF
by Celerate on Wed 28th Dec 2005 20:31 UTC in reply to "looks cool, but no FF"
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If GCC and most Linux libraries can be ported over that'll be a great asset to it, Syllable should then be capable of compiling a good collection of Linux software for itself.

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RE[2]: looks cool, but no FF
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 20:45 UTC in reply to "RE: looks cool, but no FF"
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Already been done. GCC has always been our compiler and we have a number of ports of libraries and command-line/curses programs from other systems, in addition to some programs like Xpdf that have gotten a native Syllable GUI.

Kaj

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RE[3]: looks cool, but no FF
by Celerate on Thu 29th Dec 2005 02:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: looks cool, but no FF"
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Does ruby work with Syllable yet, that would be cool for me. That and having ruby bindings.

IMO every operating system should at least one easy language that is fully supported. I know Python is more popular, but having tried both, Ruby is my preference. Any chance of this happening?

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RE[4]: looks cool, but no FF
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 02:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: looks cool, but no FF"
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Yes, Ruby is available. I even ported it back in AtheOS days, almost four years ago. We're using it, too: currently Syllable's build system and installer are written in it.

Kaj

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Syllable
by visconde_de_sabugosa on Wed 28th Dec 2005 20:42 UTC
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Syllable can be a good complement to linux because it is projected from the ground to be a simple desktop. It has not the linux flexibility for power user and developer desktops but it could be perfect to "joe" users and for business desktops who don't need more than common applications (browser, email client, Office suite, etc).

If Syllable had functional ports of Firefox (browser), OpenOffice.org (for office suite) and Thunderbird or Evolution (email) I and many people could use seriously as business desktop.

Syllable cannot compete with linux on servers and power users desktops but it could be used in linux/syllable mixed environments as microsoft windows alternative.

Edited 2005-12-28 20:43

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RE: Syllable
by Vanders on Wed 28th Dec 2005 20:54 UTC in reply to "Syllable"
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An important point to make is that we don't want to compete with Linux on servers. Linux is a very good server OS in fact.

The type of network you describe, with Syllable on the desktops and Linux running the servers, is always the way I've envisioned it. Together, I trully believe that Linux and Syllable could be a killer combination.

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When it comes to the desktop, there is a greater difference between Linux distros than between them, and, for example, FreeBSD. Both Linux and BSD have the same set of desktop applications, both have KDE and Gnome. They all have (or commonly use) Firefox, Evolution, and Open Office.

When it comes to Syllable, it already has a Browser, ABrowse, that is being improved. A native E-mail client is being tested. What I am trying to say, is that I think it would be a bad thing for Syllable to become just another Linux/BSD workalike, from the desktop non-command-line end-user point of view. A platform is not just the kernel, it's also the applications, and so running exactly the same desktop applications on Syllable that you would on Linux would detract from Syllable's status as a distinct operating system.

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Very much agreed. We haven't had much time for it yet, because we have been working on the base platform, but our roadmap includes a plan for an integrated set of groupware applications.

Kaj

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Bar fight
by Anonymous on Wed 28th Dec 2005 23:36 UTC
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Nice. We play a gig and the audience just wants to fight. :-(

Kaj

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Nvidia drivers
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 02:56 UTC
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Are the Nvidia drivers ported to Syllable so I can get some 3d acceleration. If there is a nvidia driver support then I must install this thing right now.

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RE: Nvidia drivers
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 03:02 UTC in reply to "Nvidia drivers"
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We have nVidia drivers, but all our drivers are currently 2D. There's also a Mesa port, but hardware 3D acceleration is still in the works.

Kaj

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Syllable interface guidelines
by thebluesgnr on Thu 29th Dec 2005 03:14 UTC
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Is there a set of human interface guidelines for Syllable? If not, does it follow the GNOME HIG, Apple HIG, or something else?

What can I expect the applications to look like?

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RE: Syllable interface guidelines
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 12:41 UTC in reply to "Syllable interface guidelines"
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If you want to use a HIG use the GNOME HIG, there is even a version of the GNOME HIG in the Syllable Wiki (or there was at one point) that is somewhat modified for Syllable.

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Looks really nice
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 07:06 UTC
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It looks like a great OS, and I wish I could use it; however, I get display issues with my nVidia GeForce FX5200 & LCD monitors. I'm assuming it's related to the graphics card and not the monitor (I didn't have an CRT's handy to test it on.) I'm not sure exactly how to describe the problem-- things were clear, but the whole screen wasn't there & what was there had the left side of the desktop on the right side of the monitor & wrappped around to have the right side of the desktop on the left of the monitor. Anyway, it looks really cool, and I'm looking forward to using it when I have hardware that's supported.

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RE: Looks really nice
by Vanders on Thu 29th Dec 2005 10:14 UTC in reply to "Looks really nice"
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The video problem on FX5200 cards was reported when we released 0.6.0, and Arno has since produced what he hopes is a fixed version of the geforcefx driver, but we can't find anyone to test it. Would you be willing to download an ISO with the new driver on it and test it? If so, please drop me an email (vanders@liqwyd.com)

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v What You're Not
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 12:18 UTC
RE: What You're Not
by null_pointer_us on Thu 29th Dec 2005 13:57 UTC in reply to "What You're Not"
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You're not a journalist, either, Thom, if you consider it too much trouble to include a one-sentence description of Syllable in your article.

*yawn*

I clicked on the link in the article and then clicked on the About link on Syllable's website. Yeah, it was tough - links are really scary! - but it happened to work, and I feel like I've really grown as a person.

Geez...you people nit-picking Thom whenever he posts something are becoming tiresome. If you want to offer constructive criticism of the site, either do it in a non-inflammatory manner or get lost. Thanks.

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Screenshots??
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 14:29 UTC
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Does anyone have any screenshots of 6.0? I'd like to see it ;)

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RE: Screenshots??
by Vanders on Thu 29th Dec 2005 14:46 UTC in reply to "Screenshots??"
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0.6 (Not 6.0) pretty much looks the same as it did in previous releases. See http://www.syllable.org/screenshots.php for screenshots.

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RE[2]: Screenshots??
by Anonymous on Thu 29th Dec 2005 15:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Screenshots??"
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Ooops. My bad. I'll give it an install tonight -- sure looks like a nice OS.

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