Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Jan 2006 16:40 UTC, submitted by Moochman
KDE "KOffice development is currently going on at a tremendous pace. Version 1.5, with Open Document as the default file format, will be released in March 2006 [roadmap, planned features], and it is time to start collecting ideas for version 2. KOffice has received a donation of $1000 [EUR 845] to be used as the prize in a GUI and Functionality Design competition. So whip out the RAD tools and your imagination and design the next big thing in office automation! Submissions to the competition should be GUI mockups accompanied with a written description of the intended workflow with ideas for the design of KOffice 2. See the KOffice 2 competition page for an example of how this could be done."
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v Give 'em a copy of Office 95
by Anonymous on Sun 1st Jan 2006 17:13 UTC
RE: Give 'em a copy of Office 95
by cm__ on Sun 1st Jan 2006 17:44 UTC in reply to "Give 'em a copy of Office 95"
cm__ Member since:
2005-07-07

Yawn.

BTW: I thought anonymous posting was turned off?!

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borat Member since:
2005-11-11

yeah, i was wondering the same thing.... thom, adam, anonymous posting is supposed to be off?

if it can save me from just one "dert da der use microsoft" response to linux articles or "dert da der use linux" response to microsoft articles, it's worth it IMO.

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ThawkTH Member since:
2005-07-06

<Off-Topic>
Anonymous posting IS turned off for graphical users. Text browser/cell phones/pdas are not ALLOWED to log in as of now. Therefore, all posts from these are anonymous. This may be something that should be looked into if it becomes a problem...But it's only been 24 hours! Let's see how things go.
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DoNotBugMe Member since:
2005-12-31

anonymous posting is on if you use text-based browsers.
for all the others, there's bugmenot.com.

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New GUI
by Joe User on Sun 1st Jan 2006 18:56 UTC
Joe User
Member since:
2005-06-29

I hope they create a GUI and style that is at least as nice as Microsoft Office 12:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/Figure1.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/uioverview.mspx

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RE: New GUI
by kensai on Sun 1st Jan 2006 19:59 UTC in reply to "New GUI"
kensai Member since:
2005-12-27

I don't know if it is only me but that Microsoft Office 12 GUI isn't that great. I don't even like the GUI, it appears as it doesn't integrate with the rest of the desktop. Anyways Microsoft Office has some great features, but OpenOffice is catching up I think. I've been using OO.org for long time now, and Koffice is a program I like too great feature yet integrated to kde fully and more lightweight.

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RE[2]: New GUI
by Celerate on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 05:49 UTC in reply to "RE: New GUI"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm in agreement with this guy, I don't necessarily like the MS Office 12 user interface. Using it might change my mind, but when I finish school what will be the point of even getting MS office any more unless I'll need it for work.

I do think MS got creative with the MS Office 12 user interface, I'll give 'em that. But just because it looks nice to some doesn't mean everyone should copy. Lets see what other designs are submitted first, you never know when something ingenious and original will come up.

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RE: New GUI
by unoengborg on Sun 1st Jan 2006 22:35 UTC in reply to "New GUI"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

I hope they create a GUI and style that is at least as nice as Microsoft Office 12:

I'm not so sure about that. Office suits in general seam so 20:th century. What I would like to see is a toolset that would make it easy to build business environments including things like workflow management from components backed by some serverside datastorage facility. Perhaps all of it could be tied toghether as some kind of web plugins to keep the deployment costs down.

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RE[2]: New GUI
by sappyvcv on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 03:06 UTC in reply to "RE: New GUI"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Sounds like some of the stuff MS is doing ;)

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RE[3]: New GUI
by unoengborg on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 07:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: New GUI"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

Sounds like some of the stuff MS is doing ;)

Actually, I was more thinking of IBM Workplace, but I guess Microsoft is moving in that direction too.

The problem with current Office suits like OpenOffice.org, MS-Office and Koffice is that they just are sort of glorified typewriters and adding machines.

The documents are just stored on hard drives instead of as paper in binders on a shelf. This makes it hard to find and resuse information. A computer should be able to do a lot more than that.

As of now they catch very little of the business process and colaborative efforts going on in an office. It lacks things like workflow, business related structuring of work e.g. by projects, customers, employees,..

E.g. if you do "create new project" you would get a budget spreadsheet, a gantt diagram, an empty project or partly filled out description depending on how your project template is set up. you would then probably get a dialog asking you what human resources that should be attached to the project. When all done perhaps mailing list would be set up.

It should be possible to add/associate documents, e-mails, or meeting and address book references to a certain part of a project by draging it to the corresponding place in the gantt diagram.

All of this of course requres that the next version of KOffice will have some sort of project management part
to do the gantt diagrams among other things.

Edited 2006-01-02 07:54

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First step
by jeffbax on Sun 1st Jan 2006 21:55 UTC
jeffbax
Member since:
2005-07-27

Stop calling everything K!

Personally, I hate Office 12's look, looks horrible! Some bastardization of simplicity and chunks of screen realestate that take up too much room.... all with a glossy, unreadable polish.

Bleck.

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RE: First step
by Don Grayson on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 02:03 UTC in reply to "First step"
Don Grayson Member since:
2006-01-01

Stope calling everythnig K!

When Apple stops using iName

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RE[2]: First step
by Adam S on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 02:53 UTC in reply to "RE: First step"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Not everything Apple is iWhatever.

Their latest product is called Aperture.

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RE: First step
by Celerate on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 05:56 UTC in reply to "First step"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

Why is it that big of a deal? They write the software so they get to pick the names.

It's not particular to KDE, a lot of the programs in Gnome start with G, and a lot of Apple products start with a lower case i, e or x. It's a trade mark; not in the legal sense, but rather recognisable trend that will make people say "hey that's probably a Gnome/KDE/OS X app" when they see it.

Microsoft applications sometimes start with "Win", but in Windows it doesn't happen as frequently. That would probably be because when companies write Windows software they don't particularly care what the name of the OS is, they just worry about their own products.

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kspread excel export filters
by macisaac on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 01:29 UTC
macisaac
Member since:
2005-08-28

If only they had that... Personally I dislike spreadsheets in general, and I find it sad that MS Office compatibility can be such a make or break thing, but in packaging a desktop (KDE) for my workplace, I had to eventually drop out KOffice just because of that. Thankfully, we have a site license to StarOffice 8, but still it would have been nice to keep it in.

What I don't understand is why in kspread you get the option to save in MS excel format, but when you try to do it, it says that can't be done. And, according to this, no-one is working on implementing it: http://www.koffice.org/filters/1.4/ Why keep the save option in there then?

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RE[4]: New GUI
by Torsten Rahn on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 10:37 UTC
Torsten Rahn
Member since:
2005-08-20

Not fully related but seemingly close to what you seem to ask for in the first paragraph is BasKet:

basket.kde.org

Now if one would combine or integrate this with a search framework, some cvs/svn versioning mechanism and a professional project management tool like TaskJuggler

www.taskjuggler.org

(which develops more and more from its solid foundation towards a tool that can even be used by inexperienced people quickly)
then we'd have indeed a very interesting application.

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RE[5]: New GUI
by superstoned on Mon 2nd Jan 2006 13:20 UTC
superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

well, the basket developer is VERY active, and thinking about all that can be done with his idea. also other dev's have noticed his app, and are talking/thinking about integration in KDE 4.

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Reveal Codes
by asupcb on Tue 3rd Jan 2006 11:55 UTC
asupcb
Member since:
2005-11-10

I hope that KWord implements a Reveal Codes feature reverse-engineered from WordPerfect. Reveal Codes is by far the most powerful and accurate way to edit a word processing document ever created IMHO. Maybe I'm just partial because I learned on WordPerfect and not Word but Reveal Codes has always been one of WordPerfect's best features.
It's too bad that Corel has never been acquired by say Novell who could then open-source WordPerfect Office Suite, imagine how fast the tables could be turned against Microsoft with a truly full featured Office Suite freely available and with file format compatability back to version 1.0. Just Imagine.

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