Linked by Andrew Youll on Fri 13th Jan 2006 17:29 UTC, submitted by Tyr.
Mac OS X Microsoft has officially halted development of its Windows Media Player for the Mac and plans no future Apple Computer versions of its music-playing software, CNET News.com has learned. "It's basically a business decision for Microsoft," Anderson said. "Like any other company, we have business priorities. Our focus really is in delivering the best experience to Windows customers." Instead, users should now use this, which has a few problems though, according to some Mac users.
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Is flip4mac reliable?
by malkia on Fri 13th Jan 2006 18:17 UTC
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Are there any other alternatives? (VideoLan? MplayerOSX? others...)

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RE: Is flip4mac reliable?
by Tyr. on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:27 UTC in reply to "Is flip4mac reliable?"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

Are there any other alternatives? (VideoLan? MplayerOSX? others...)

Actually MS now redistributes the Flip4Mac Quicktime plugin ( http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/flip4mac.mspx ) which used to be payware for free. It's pretty good too.
BUT! Here's the catch : it doesn't support DRM'ed files. It's no mystery then why they dropped official support then, Apple's one of the main competitors in the DRM content gig.

Edit:splelchzeck

Edited 2006-01-13 21:29

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RE[2]: Is flip4mac reliable?
by Tyr. on Fri 13th Jan 2006 22:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Is flip4mac reliable?"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah replying and then NOT answering the question, nice ;) What I meant to say was that I've been using Flip4Mac for about half a year now on my mini and it's never crashed on me. Sometimes it doesn't play (presumably) DRM'ed content but on the whole its pretty good and faster than starting up Windows Media Player.

VLC is the undisputed king of players as far as I'm concerned, though I don't like the interface. Another up-and-coming one is Xineplayer ( http://xineplayer.berlios.de/ ) which uses the more familiar all in one interface.

And hey you never know, now that Apple is moving to intel we might be able to use the Windows dll's like people do on Linux !

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Who needs MS MediaPlayer?
by Dr-ROX on Fri 13th Jan 2006 18:25 UTC
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2006-01-03

After all MS MediaPlayer is most hated player ;)

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RE: Who needs MS MediaPlayer?
by stephanem on Fri 13th Jan 2006 23:13 UTC in reply to "Who needs MS MediaPlayer?"
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2006-01-11

Right, then why the MS Mediaplayer-less version of Windows was a big dud in Europe?. Seems to me everybody wants Windows Media Player.

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RE[2]: Who needs MS MediaPlayer?
by Punktyras on Sat 14th Jan 2006 22:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Who needs MS MediaPlayer?"
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2006-01-07

No, not everybody wants MSWMP, but they just don’t know there are lots of players beside wmp:)

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RE: Who needs MS MediaPlayer?
by nimble on Fri 13th Jan 2006 23:18 UTC in reply to "Who needs MS MediaPlayer?"
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2005-07-06

After all MS MediaPlayer is most hated player ;)

RealPlayer haters might want to disagree. OSNews should do a survey ;) .

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RE: Who needs MS MediaPlayer?
by kaiwai on Sat 14th Jan 2006 03:18 UTC in reply to "Who needs MS MediaPlayer?"
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2005-07-06

The Windows version of MSN Messenger and Mediaplayer are actually some of Microsofts GOOD products, what disappoints many Mac aficiando's like myself, is the half-assed, half-baked crap that Microsoft pushes out as their 'pledge' to support the Mac platform.

MSN Messenger would be the PRIME example of this in action, for example, features that are supported in THIRD PARTY messengers (bringing them close to MSN 7 compatibility) that Microsofts Mac team can't be bothered with.

Maybe the solution to MSN Messenger is to release a plugin for iChat, and allow Apple to start shipping MSN capabilities with iChat out of the box - if Microsoft seems so incapable ot actually getting their act together.

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Fix it
by bsharitt on Fri 13th Jan 2006 18:29 UTC
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2005-07-07

Assuming the little annoyances can be fixed, a windows media component for quicktime is ideal.

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...
by suryad on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:08 UTC
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2005-07-09

Are there no alternatives like VLC, divx player, real alternative, qt alternative for Macs?

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RE: ...
by Andrew Youll on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:15 UTC in reply to "..."
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2005-06-29

AFAIK but dont hold me to this, VLC is not available on OS X, DivX is only available as a QT Plugin, theres only really MPlayerOS X as far as i'm aware, but ffmpeg for anything above WMV7/8 in my experience is a joke,

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RE[2]: ...
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:17 UTC in reply to "RE: ..."
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2005-11-09

umm... VLC has been available on OS X for ever... and it does a better job of movie playback than QT.

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RE[3]: ...
by Eugenia on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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2005-06-28

VLC does not have a Safari plugin. This is most needed.

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RE[4]: ...
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

yeah, that is true.

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Interesting
by Smartpatrol on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

Just wondering why they would shut off support maybe becasue they quit developeing IE for Mac? It sucks since Windows Media player is the most pervasive player out their and is second only to Quick time. I refuse to install that virus Realplayer.

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RE: Interesting
by TomB7 on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:49 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
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2006-01-03

MSFT is struggling and they are trying to focus on stuff they sell instead of giving away.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by Smartpatrol on Fri 13th Jan 2006 20:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting"
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2005-07-06

I doubt that i would be more apt to believe that microsfot would rather not contribute more then what they have already to the sucess of Mac OS X on the PC.

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RE[3]: Interesting
by TomB7 on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
TomB7 Member since:
2006-01-03

MSFT only makes money of Windows and Office-- MSN, IE, XBox etc are all failures. Cash-strapped govts are looking at OpenOffice. It took big bribery bucks recently for MSFT to prevent Massachusetts from Office to Open Office. Vista is looking pretty dull; still not UNIX; a hodge-podge of OSX like eye-candy and search features. I am serious MSFT is the KayPro of the 21st century.

BTW: AAPL beat Dell in Market Cap today! Yeah! Now if they can just do that based on Mac sales instead of based on iPod sales.....

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RE[4]: Interesting
by Smartpatrol on Fri 13th Jan 2006 22:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting"
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2005-07-06

BTW: AAPL beat Dell in Market Cap today! Yeah! Now if they can just do that based on Mac sales instead of based on iPod sales.....

No kidding, again one of the major factors in Mactels sucess is games. I hope game developers are more apt to port to Mactel now that PPC is gone.

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RE[4]: Interesting
by rm6990 on Sat 14th Jan 2006 00:39 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting"
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2005-07-04

It took big bribery bucks recently for MSFT to prevent Massachusetts from Office to Open Office.

What are you talking about? Mass. never said anything about switching to OpenOffice.org, they were switching to OpenDocument format, and they are still going to do that.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060106131844449

Check the date on that article if you bother reading it.

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RE[4]: Interesting
by alcibiades on Sat 14th Jan 2006 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

"BTW: AAPL beat Dell in Market Cap today! Yeah! Now if they can just do that based on Mac sales instead of based on iPod sales....."

It is true, and its a great comeback, but the story is a bit more complicated than it may seem, if you look at the 2005 financials.

Apple's revenues were 14 billion, net income 1.3

Dell revenues were 54, net income 3.

Apple is on a P/E ratio of 46 at the moment.

Apples computer business is said (Forbes) to be 45% of sales. Say roughly 7 billion. So in computers, it is around 15% the size of Dell.

Don't get too excited about the total market cap, which is just like the very low cap a couple of years ago, more a matter of the emotions of hedge fund operators than anything fundamental. But do notice that Apple is not going to get to be the size of Dell in computing any time soon with current strategies. Nor is it terribly likely to maintain a P/E ratio in the 40s for any considerable time. Nor is it likely to maintain its current margins.

People get so emotional about this stuff, so I want to be clear: it is not knocking Apple. It is just saying, its a good story, but it is not quite as good as it many seem before you look closely, and there are one or two bumps coming up. Not disasters, but bumps. If you are thinking of buying in to the story, be careful. As Warren Buffet said, the time to be greedy is when others are fearful. The time to be fearful is when no-one else is.

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RE: Interesting
by FreakyT on Sat 14th Jan 2006 00:07 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
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2005-07-17

Realplayer for Mac is actually halfway decent. It's the Windows version that's evil.

Besides, the current WMP9 for Mac works fine on my iBook G4; I haven't experienced any of the trouble mentioned in some of the other posts.

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players
by isawdrones on Fri 13th Jan 2006 19:40 UTC
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2005-10-25

vlc and mplayer on os x are both sub-par solutions imo. neither of them are stable nor work well in the os x interface.

quicktime isnt ideal either, but if i could get components for all media types and just use quicktime i would. wmp on osx = suck. enough said.

realplayer on os x is actually decent. its nothing like its leech of a brother for windows. then again, the real codecs leave a bad taste...

Edited 2006-01-13 19:40

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RE: players
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:05 UTC in reply to "players"
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2005-11-09

QT is not that bad of a player on OS X... and VLC is not unstable either (in fact, it has been rock solid for me)

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Who cares?
by jeffbax on Fri 13th Jan 2006 20:58 UTC
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2005-07-27

WMP Mac barely supported modern WMV files, doesn't support DRM'd files, and is slower than shit... like 10000x worse than QuickTime on Windows.

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I agree
by Dekkard on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:03 UTC
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2006-01-07

WMP on my ibook g4 is garbage, its interface sucks, half the controls dont work and playback is spotty as all getout. the flip4mac plugin works better in quicktime and i dont have that blight of MS on my machine. Trust me NO ONE in the mac community will shed a tear over this.

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I assume F4M gets free MS codecs
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 13th Jan 2006 21:08 UTC
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2005-11-09

In return for developing and maintaining the plugin, as well as some compensation from MS.

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I'm celebrating!!
by JustAnotherMacUser on Fri 13th Jan 2006 22:01 UTC
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2006-01-08

This means to reach out to millions of Mac users on Safari with QT, web designers have to not rely 100% on MS formats and IE.

So when Mac users come across a site that's either all WMP and/or IE, they have a legitimate complaint, IE and WMP are no longer supported on the Mac platform.

There is so many totally anal sites that are IE only, it's about time.

Hurry for the end of MS domination!!

Linux, Firefox and Mac users celebrate!

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wmp9
by Mellin on Fri 13th Jan 2006 22:28 UTC
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2005-07-06

is cripleware

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only wmp
by happycamper on Sat 14th Jan 2006 02:47 UTC
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2006-01-01

What will be used in it's place? their are many websites that required WMP inorder to watch streaming video.

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Good to have a final answer
by Brad on Sat 14th Jan 2006 03:18 UTC
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2005-07-06

Its been bugging me for a long time if there would be another update for WMP for Mac. They MS woman at the keynote the otherday sorta implied it was dead.

I don't understand the hatred of WMP here. Yeah, its a bit bad on windows. But the mac version was rather nice and clean. The only problem with it is it hasn't been updated in years, thus lots of files just don't work in it, and lots of internet WMP dependent files never work. But thats the fault of not being updated, not the the way the current WMP is.

OSX also doesn't play nice with it. If its a file that both QT and WMP support. OSX refuses to let WMP open it.

Quicktime is fine. My only real issue with quicktime is that everytime you open a video, it keeps it at its native size, instead of retaining the size of window you already had opened. So you have to continually re-size the QT window over and over. That was something nice about WMP, it got that right.

I don't know why people suggest VLC. I don't care if something supports everything under the sun. It has a awful interface, its not a replacement for anything until it gets a nice interface like QT or WMP.

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RE: Good to have a final answer
by Andrew Youll on Sat 14th Jan 2006 10:25 UTC in reply to "Good to have a final answer"
Andrew Youll Member since:
2005-06-29

It doesnt refuse to let WMP9 play it you just highlight the file, go to "file" menu and select "open with" or if you have a 2 buttoned mouse just right click the file and select "open with"

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RE[2]: Good to have a final answer
by Brad on Sat 14th Jan 2006 19:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Good to have a final answer"
Brad Member since:
2005-07-06

Thats what I'm talking about. OSX won't let it do that. The only files it will allow WMP to try and open are WMV, and ASFs.

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Some thoughts
by cheeseballoon on Sat 14th Jan 2006 05:08 UTC
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2005-08-30

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that MS is pulling out some of their freeware (and with it, certain compatibilities) from OS X because it's getting too popular in their eyes.
But perhaps Gates's strategy could backfire and, with IE's and Windows Media formats' user-base having been deliberately cut down, and slightly limited, popular web sites will stop using bad web-standards and crappy media formats, and they will eventually wither away. This is unlikely, but still fun to speculate.
Also, Apple and Microsoft seem to have become buddies over the years,-- making software for each other's OS (usually at the expense of Mac OS's newly acquired Unix-based step-brothers and -sisters) --I think it will be interesting to see how Jobs reacts to his comrade pulling out of this unspoken(?) agreement. Perhaps a similar compatibility alliance with Linux, this time at Windows' expense?

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Video on osx
by Kabal on Sat 14th Jan 2006 05:45 UTC
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2005-07-09

Playing videos on OSX is actually the worst thing about my mac I think.

VLC/Mplayer/Quicktime all suck in comparison to things like media player classic on windows IMO.

Edited 2006-01-14 05:45

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