Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 14:26 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mozilla Firefox has achieved a market share of over 20 percent in Europe, according to the latest figures released by French Web metrics firm XiTi. XiTi, which based its figures on a sample of 32.5 million Web site visits that took place on Sunday 8 January, said that Finland has the highest proportion of Firefox users, followed by Slovenia and Germany. It found that the open source browser is used by 38, 36 and 30 percent of users in these countries respectively.
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Original article
by Tyr. on Tue 17th Jan 2006 14:54 UTC
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Here's a link to the aricle of the company : http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement13.asp It's in french but includes color-coded maps for Europe and the world.

Caveat : "Il est important de noter que ce classement a été mesuré lors d'un dimanche. Néanmoins, la dernière analyse de cette étude, en bas de page, démontre que l'écart d'utilisation de Firefox entre le week-end et la semaine est désormais quasi nul." (It is important to note the measurement was done on a sunday. However the latest analysis shows the difference in usage of Firefox between the weekend and weekdays to be quasi zero.)

Edited 2006-01-17 14:56

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RE: Original article
by unclepeter on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:46 UTC in reply to "Original article"
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Reads like the Eurovision song contest...

le Royaume Unis: onze points

...and because we're three places away from last.

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RE[2]: Original article
by Kroc on Wed 18th Jan 2006 00:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Original article"
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at least Ireland didn't win!

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Guess that shows...
by JustAnotherMacUser on Tue 17th Jan 2006 14:56 UTC
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Where are all the brains and common sense is in the world.

DVDJohn is from Finland right?

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RE: Guess that shows...
by jackson on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:07 UTC in reply to "Guess that shows..."
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So is Linus.

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RE: Guess that shows...
by o.a.o on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:28 UTC in reply to "Guess that shows..."
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DVD Jon is from Norway.

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RE[2]: Guess that shows...
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Guess that shows..."
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Whatever, the important point is that both were raised between polar bears and penguins :-)

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RE[3]: Guess that shows...
by o.a.o on Wed 18th Jan 2006 10:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Guess that shows..."
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"Whatever, the important point is that both were raised between polar bears and penguins :-)"

I know you are joking but I'd just like to say that there aren't any polar bears or penguins in the wild here in Finland. Some people actually think so...

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Map
by Brmbolec on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:23 UTC
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According to that map Slovak Republic and Poland share borders with Romania, quite interesting, somebody changed geography silently ;)

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RE: Map
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:14 UTC in reply to "Map"
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There's an old saying that goes: "Yeah, firefox on one fifth of European computers... that'll be the day Romania shares a border with Poland".

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The Dutch..
by deepspace on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:52 UTC
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.. are seriously behind. I sould be ashamed of myself. but the reason is fairly logica: Here, much more people have access to the internet, so it's less like a "geek thing", and more a mass consumption thing. Everyone has a broadband connection here. So this means that more unknowing and ingnorant people surf the internet than in surrounding countries.

Edited 2006-01-17 15:52

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RE: The Dutch..
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:57 UTC in reply to "The Dutch.."
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Well, not really. The Scandinavian countries have a much higher broadband-penetration than we Dutch (no link atm, sorry), yet they have a much higher figure of Firefox users.

The problem lies in our nature. Dutch people are inherently ordinary, they don't want to stand out. As such, they are less inclined to deviate from the mean (Windows + IE +Office, in this case) than people in other countries. In The Netherlands, people expect you to do as everyone else. Which means 2.2 kids, Opel Astra 1.4, and of course Dancing With The Stars and Idols.

Hey don't look at me.

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RE[2]: The Dutch..
by deepspace on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:51 UTC in reply to "RE: The Dutch.."
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Well, not really. The Scandinavian countries have a much higher broadband-penetration than we Dutch (no link atm, sorry), yet they have a much higher figure of Firefox users.

Please check your facts, because this is not true. Look here:

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0504/broadband_europe_634x480...

All top 4 countries have low firefox figures!

But you're still correct, we Dutch are ordinary ;)

Edited 2006-01-17 16:55

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RE[3]: The Dutch..
by kragil on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The Dutch.."
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Maybe running around in wooden shoes and taking drugs all day is no good for Firefox ;-) ( just joking )

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RE[4]: The Dutch..
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: The Dutch.."
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Ah, the Netherlands, native home of drugs and prostitution... If it weren't for that firefox figure it would be a wonderful place to live in :-)

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RE[5]: The Dutch..
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: The Dutch.."
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Ah, the Netherlands, native home of drugs and prostitution... If it weren't for that firefox figure it would be a wonderful place to live in :-)

Drugs are as illegal here as they are in any other country, my friend. Don't believe what Fox tells you.

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RE[3]: The Dutch..
by kmarius on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The Dutch.."
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Yeah, but I think the statistics he was thinking of was the number of internet users. A higher percentage of people are connected to the Internet in Scandinavia (at least it was a couple of years ago). Broadband != Internet usage.

Edited 2006-01-17 20:37

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Interesting differences
by Ronald Vos on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:54 UTC
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30% in Germany, and only 10 in Holland? Interesting how that came to be. Although I admit there's a lot of reluctance to switch ANY kind of programs for a LOT of people/organisations here.

Also interesting that Europe not only has more Firefox usage, it also had more Amiga and BeOS usage back in the day. ;)

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Yeah!
by Sphinx on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:05 UTC
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That's how we roll, one continent at a time! Americans will follow next like all european trends.

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RE: Yeah!
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:18 UTC in reply to "Yeah!"
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As far as I remember the last time an american followed an european trend... the trend was to colonize that continent on the west... other than that it's rather the other way around.

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Sphinx
by Noodles on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:30 UTC
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You mean like R'n'R, FastFood, SUVs, Stupid TV shows, computers, Internet and Giant Cinemas?

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RE: Sphinx
by somebody on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:34 UTC in reply to "Sphinx"
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You mean like R'n'R, FastFood, SUVs, Stupid TV shows, computers, Internet and Giant Cinemas?

No, you can start with basic English, Spanish language, cars, etc.

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RE
by Jeeeb on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:34 UTC
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I'm happy that my own country Australia is on 18.6% almost at the same level as Europe. It's not often we do well on these sort of things. But I think I've managed to convert almost all of my non-technical friends to it, it's pretty easy to market: small download, blocks pop-ups and helps you avoid spyware ;) .

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v Wow
by deathshadow on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:43 UTC
RE: Wow
by ApproachingZero on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:15 UTC in reply to "Wow"
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>>So that steaming pile of memory leaking OSS hype has reached "Millions sold in Europe" status alongside the likes of David Hasselhof, Slim Whitman and ZamFir? I'm impressed.

You're just holding off because there's no Hotbar and CoolWebSearch for Firefox.

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greece 1/5 ??
by Reader on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:47 UTC
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I am pretty impressed by greece. It is actually more than france! I kind of liked somebodys interpretation that the figures are lower when the internet penetration is higher (more ignorant people browse) but this does not explain germany's 30%. It is kind of fun to think of it as a measure of anti-american or pro-EU feelings of each country. Therefore Germany scores high and France (who recently rejected the EU consitution) scores lower. That explains the Spanish, GB and Dutch results too. Also the romantic and economically dependent greece scores unexpectedly high. Of course you cannot take this really seriously but it is kind of amusing. What do you guys think?

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RE: greece 1/5 ??
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:30 UTC in reply to "greece 1/5 ??"
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Oh well, I wouldn't say the french are anti-european (there were many reasons for which the constitution was refused) and certainly not pro-american... they're french after all :-) Anyway these days there isn't any western european country where the population isn't vastly anti-american (in the sense that they are opposed to the current administration). Now to stop using my mac because it was designed by americans, that would be quite dumb.

International politics have probably little to do with the choice of one's browser. But I do think some countries have a mind that's more into "group projects" than others. Nordic countries and germany obviously are. Just look at projects like KDE. It seems half the developers are in Germany and another quarter in Scandinavia.

Hm... I see a pattern: BEER !

But how could this explain the Dutch thing...

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Cool
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:26 UTC
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I wonder if it will remain permanent though once the next version of IE is released. Microsoft is screwing the pooch on this one.

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RE: Cool
by BlackJack75 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:38 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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Everyone I know tells their customers to use firefox because of security, extensions but mostly because "it's better". That's what most users will remember. So unless IE7 actually brings something that Firefox doesn't have not many people are going to switch back. If IE7 offers a simple way to write plugins maybe it has a chance to reverse the motion.

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RE[2]: Cool
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
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The average user rarely activily seeks out better browser technology the just use the default IE. I think their will be more hub-bub with IE7 when a typical user logins in to find their machine updated with the latest IE.

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RE: Cool
by kaiwai on Wed 18th Jan 2006 05:00 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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Well, permanent, in terms of 'IE getting killed" - I don't see that happening, in regards to the IE vs. Firefox war.

What I see is this; IE will continue improving, not because of the Firefox thread directly, but the fact is, Microsoft will be delivering services - if Firefox grows larger, then they'll have to create the services based on openstandards, which would then basically cripple any chances of maintaining their monopoly both on the desktop, and services over the internet.

As long as Firefox exists, it'll be there to keep 'Microsoft honest' - but at the same time, I don't want to see Firefox get too comfortable, or otherwise we'll see the days of Netscape Communicator return with crap stability, memory leaks and security issues.

Edited 2006-01-18 05:05

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Can we trust them?
by Joe User on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:33 UTC
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Most of the web sites hosted where I work at still show 95%+ market share for IE.

And very few people I know heard about Firefox (if any).

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RE: Can we trust them?
by deathshadow on Wed 18th Jan 2006 03:45 UTC in reply to "Can we trust them?"
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Quote:Most of the web sites hosted where I work at still show 95%+ market share for IE.
And very few people I know heard about Firefox (if any).


Well, you have to remember we're talking about a realm of the world where people think Realplayer is a good thing.

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RE: Can we trust them?
by frrossk on Wed 18th Jan 2006 08:52 UTC in reply to "Can we trust them?"
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"Most of the web sites hosted where I work at still show 95%+ market share for IE.
And very few people I know heard about Firefox (if any)."

Can we trust you?

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This report is hardly scientific...
by tomcat on Thu 19th Jan 2006 18:55 UTC
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But XiTi's figures should probably be taken with a pinch of salt, as Firefox usage tends to be highest over the weekend, according to Tristan Nitot, the president of Mozilla Europe.

If you want more reliable data, track trends over a longer period and increase the sample size to include a broader range of websites. Otherwise, there's just no way to verify the results. In my opinion, FireFox has no greater than 10% market share anywhere. But that's just my opinion.

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