Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 14:52 UTC
Apple "Steve Jobs foiled the rumormongers once more at last week's Macworld Expo. Most observers expected that Apple would announce the first Macintosh computers that partake of powerful and efficient Intel Core Duo microprocessors, the same used by top-notch Windows machines. But almost no one thought that the first of these machines would be the most popular Macs that Apple makes - the elegant desktop iMac and the workhorse PowerBook laptop (now renamed the MacBook Pro). After his keynote, he spoke to NewsWeek's Steven Levy, between sips of tea."
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Interview?
by Buck on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:23 UTC
Buck
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2005-06-29

Personally I'm still waiting for our Eugenia to interview Steve. Come on! You know you can do it.

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v RE: Interview?
by Tom K on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:13 UTC in reply to "Interview?"
v RE[2]: Interview?
by microshag on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Interview?"
What Steve Jobs really needs to do...
by pauls101 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 15:55 UTC
pauls101
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2005-07-07

is run an Apprentice show. Everyone is curious about him, he's peculiar enough to make good TV (more so than Trump, and he's almost(?) as rich), and he's in a position to hand out some amusing challenges to his would-be apprenti.

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WZot Member since:
2005-07-06

You know what? That's a really good idea. ;) You should call someone at NBC or whoever makes The Apprentice. ;)

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

I'd really like to know why Steve supposedly fought his daughter's biological mother over child support, when he's worth over $100M. I'd also like to know why he supposedly parks in handicapped spots and treats his employees like sh*t. Good interview questions.

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halfmanhalfamazing
Member since:
2005-07-23

of the rumor guys. I mean, speculation is healthy and shows how strongly people like your product and these are your very core customers. Have we forgotten their lawsuits and FUD?

I believe Apple(as much as I dislike how they treat their customers) has some great things coming in the next couple of months and years.

It's ok, Linux-based OS's are proving to be what the MacOS can't be.

Edited 2006-01-17 16:01

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MacBook Battery Life?
by dr_gonzo on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:07 UTC
dr_gonzo
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2005-07-06

I'm a bit suspicious about this. I mean, there was no mention about this at the keynote or on Apple's web site, which is pretty important for a portable. Jobs says that it's about the same which in normal language means that it's not as good.

I suppose it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I mean, I usually use my iBook at home, plugged in and when I bring it anywhere, I usually bring the power cord with me and I am usually close enough to a power supply.

Judging from Ars Technica's review of the Intel iMac, the MacBook Pros are gonna kick the PowerBook's and iBook's arses in performance!

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RE: MacBook Battery Life?
by WZot on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:15 UTC in reply to "MacBook Battery Life?"
WZot Member since:
2005-07-06

The iBook is really great to use "on the go" though. If you are careful with light settings, and charge it "right" you should be able to get about 6 hours of working time out of it.

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RE: MacBook Battery Life?
by JustAnotherMacUser on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:39 UTC in reply to "MacBook Battery Life?"
JustAnotherMacUser Member since:
2006-01-08

Judging from Ars Technica's review of the Intel iMac, the MacBook Pros are gonna kick the PowerBook's and iBook's arses in performance!

Sure it has a extra core, but the new MacBookTels still are less performing than a Dual 2 Ghz G5 PowerMac!, that's really amazing.

Man, Quad can be gotten for around the same price as MacPook Pro and be more than twice as powerful.

I'll get a iBook for mobile uses, a Quad is the machine to have.

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RE[2]: MacBook Battery Life?
by rayiner on Tue 17th Jan 2006 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE: MacBook Battery Life?"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Sure it has a extra core, but the new MacBookTels still are less performing than a Dual 2 Ghz G5 PowerMac!, that's really amazing.

The Ars review is uncharacteristically bad. They compared a dual 2.0 iMac with 512MB of RAM to a dual 2.5 PowerMac with 4.5 GB of RAM! The results that were obtained are almost meaningless. The xBench tests are suspect, since they show an extremely low user-interface score for the IntelMac, while the reviewer notes that the Intel Mac felt snappier than the iMac G5. The two results are contridictory.

The Rosetta benchmarks are particularly egregious. Since Rosetta is a JIT, it uses a lot of RAM. 512MB is already marginal for OS X, and benchmarking Rosetta in that configuration, with a memory-hungry app like Photoshop is pure folly. If you look at macnn.com's forums, you'll see that somebody with a 20" iMac Duo tested a popular Photoshop benchmark and ended up getting results comparable to a dual 2.0 G5, even under emulation.

As for the Quad versus the MacBook Pro: completely ydifferent markets. Laptops are simply more expensive --- a Quad aces a PowerBook too, but doesn't cost appreciably more. Also consider that the TDP of the Yonah chip in the MacBook Pro is perhaps 1/8 of the combined TDPs of the dual-970MPs in the Quad!

Edited 2006-01-17 17:18

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RE[2]: MacBook Battery Life?
by vikramsharma on Wed 18th Jan 2006 04:32 UTC in reply to "RE: MacBook Battery Life?"
vikramsharma Member since:
2005-07-06

It's unfair to compare a desktop chip to a laptop chip. The laptop processors are underpowered because of heating and power efficiency also that laptop processors are designed for power efficiency. If you did a performance test of laptop and a desktop machine running at same frequency and ram, same bus speed etc. desktop would beat the laptop by miles.

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What?
by JustAnotherMacUser on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:27 UTC
JustAnotherMacUser
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2006-01-08

Didn't fool me, we Mac users all knew the G4 line of laptops were in dire need of replacement.

The iMactel was expected because it's guts are easy to get too and make modifications.

We also knew the PowerMacs were not going because professionals can't get their hands on Mactel versions of pro apps yet.

It's these dumbarse rumor monkeys who spread "Apple is going to sell Plasma TV's" like Gateway and Dell

Really folks Plasmas? sheesh how lame can you get?

Apple's stock would drop in a heartbeat, because selling TV's froma computer maker is a sign of desperation.

It's about as dumb as a iPhone. (the market is saturated)

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RE: What?
by Get a Life on Wed 18th Jan 2006 04:32 UTC in reply to "What?"
Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

Apple's stock would drop in a heartbeat? Doubtful. Apple, like Google, has become one of those hip companies where if they opt to enter a market, there would be no shortage of fanfare and anticipation for its reinventing the product, no matter how middling the actual results were. If Apple was going to sell Plasma TVs, people would be engaged in supposition over iTMS integration and deals with networks over subscription television services, and proclaiming Apple as obsoleting the TiVo.

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Steve is Richer
by tony on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:37 UTC
tony
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2005-07-06

According to Forbes, Steve Jobs (194th richest person in the worl) is actually worth more than Donald Trump (228th), coming in at about $3 billion to Trump's $2.6. Pixar has a lot to do what that $3 billion.

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come on
by happycamper on Tue 17th Jan 2006 16:55 UTC
happycamper
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2006-01-01

And now we’ve got Intel processors in them so obviously they run a lot faster.

what a load of... this is from a guy that that has been saying the powerpc is faster then intel. even apple's website showed benchmarks of powerpc systems beating intel systems.

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hahahaha
by TheOne on Tue 17th Jan 2006 17:13 UTC
TheOne
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2005-09-03

I remember having heavily debated one or two years ago on OSnews about G4 vs PentiumM...the MAC zealots were so sure that they have the upper hand on mobility and performance. I've been saying all along that Intel PentiumMs give us better performance. Looks like in order to get a reasonable performance on you portables Apple has resorted to using Intel chips. Yonah (CoreDuo) is based on PentiumM's architecture, yet it is better than g5 in terms of performance. A word to former PowerPC zealots - future Intel CoreDuo users: welcome to the PC world..you can finally discover what performance means!! (on x86)hehehe

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RE: hahahaha
by spook on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:31 UTC in reply to "hahahaha"
spook Member since:
2006-01-09

I remember having heavily debated one or two years ago on OSnews about G4 vs PentiumM...the MAC zealots were so sure that they have the upper hand on mobility and performance. I've been saying all along that Intel PentiumMs give us better performance.
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I'm sorry about the accident

Well thats the only way I can explain it, you've being in a coma for two years and have not being able to keep up with present news

When you was debating, as you said two years ago, it was against the then G4 chip nearing its end on the desk top and the new PM

Now jump two years and we still have the G4 due to not being able to put a G5 in a laptop vs........

Yes an entirely new processor, have you caught the big flaw with your argument yet?

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RE[2]: hahahaha
by rayiner on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:17 UTC in reply to "RE: hahahaha"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Yonah is not an entirely new processor. Yonah is basically a dual-core P-M with a better FPU. Indeed, for single-threaded integer tasks, its actually a bit slower than a P-M at the same clockspeed, due to its higher-latency L2 cache.

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battery life
by dhazeghi on Tue 17th Jan 2006 17:16 UTC
dhazeghi
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2005-11-18

Just speculation, but I imagine the reason for the lack of battery claims is because they're still tuning the power management aspect of the OS.

Considering the TomsHardware article on the Core Duo, one suspects it won't be that bad (although admittedly the Pentium M (Dothan) did a bit better)...

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RE: I don't understand steve's hatred
by godawful on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:14 UTC
godawful
Member since:
2005-06-29

it can't be all hatred, he was making jokes about rumor sites in the keynote last week..

he made his own podcast called super secret apple rumors, and speculated that the next ipod would be 8 lbs and have a 10 inch screen, or so his good sources inside apple said..

it was pretty funny.

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DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

I wanna hear that one... If nothing else, it's nice to see serious types being a little less than serious.

Well, I have no desire to see that guy in the bunny suit though.

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Nice interview
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:27 UTC
Smartpatrol
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2005-07-06

I predict that Apple will do what job says(double the market share) by the end of next year with the release of Mactel.

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RE: Nice interview
by spook on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:37 UTC in reply to "Nice interview"
spook Member since:
2006-01-09

Hopefully maybe - but even as a Apple user I wonder why the have not made it easier to load windows onto it, surly as long as they are selling the machine, then if a user wants to load on a different OS then I fail why they should be concerned

I only sticking point is if some drivers or peripherals react badly to the Apple machine due to incapabiliities with the different OS that they could try to blame Apple and create abit of a smell

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RE[2]: Nice interview
by whartung on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Nice interview"
whartung Member since:
2005-07-06

Hopefully maybe - but even as a Apple user I wonder why the have not made it easier to load windows onto it, surly as long as they are selling the machine, then if a user wants to load on a different OS then I fail why they should be concerned

Firstly because they were going to build whatever machine they wanted to build. Windows compatability isn't really a design point for Apple, and while Windows may well eventually be bootable on the machine, it's not their problem, and not their market.

Second, for most Windows apps, a future version of either VirtualPC or VMWare will be the "preferred" method of running Windows applications. The biggest potential stickler will be games, and we'll just have to wait and see about that.

But, simply, they're not building PC's, they're building Macintoshes, and the fact that they run an Intel chip is simply a detail. Windows is not a priority for them.

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RE[3]: Nice interview
by spook on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Nice interview"
spook Member since:
2006-01-09

Not disagreeing with any of that, but by making it optional to dual boot with windows, then the buying decision of prospective customer would be easier to make - and more sales of units and more market share

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RE[3]: Nice interview
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Nice interview"
Smartpatrol Member since:
2005-07-06

Firstly because they were going to build whatever machine they wanted to build. Windows compatability isn't really a design point for Apple, and while Windows may well eventually be bootable on the machine, it's not their problem, and not their market.

Not to mention Apple seems to have taken great pains as too appear non-competetive in Microsofts OS space. Lets face it if Mac OS lost MS Office it would be a tough row to hoe for OS X.

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RE[4]: Nice interview
by spook on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Nice interview"
spook Member since:
2006-01-09

hmmm, guaranteed 5 years of MS office in exchange for non-competitiveness in the Windows market?

But this is hardware related, rather then OS, if they want to run windows aswell as OSX, isn't that also to Windows advantage, another sale of Windows

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RE[5]: Nice interview
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 23:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Nice interview"
Smartpatrol Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe but to Microsoft its just another PC to run their OS. Mac OS X on other then Apple hardware would be more of a direct competitor.

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Most popular mac?
by ApproachingZero on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:28 UTC
ApproachingZero
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2005-11-10

>> But almost no one thought that the first of these machines would be the most popular Macs that Apple makes - the elegant desktop iMac and the workhorse PowerBook

Ummm, the most popular Mac is by far the Mac mini.

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RE: Most popular mac?
by TomB7 on Tue 17th Jan 2006 21:08 UTC in reply to "Most popular mac?"
TomB7 Member since:
2006-01-03

"Ummm, the most popular Mac is by far the Mac mini."

You've got numbers on that? I have a mini; I like it, but I haven't seen sales numbers.

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