Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sun 22nd Jan 2006 23:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Geeks.com sent us a special edition of the Toshiba e800 Pocket PC PDA. What's special about this new revision we review today is that it comes by default with a very high capacity battery and the ability to use USB devices through its "presentation pack" accessory, making it a product best suited for professionals, but also for geeks.
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More of a Downgrade
by j_kenpo on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 02:16 UTC
j_kenpo
Member since:
2006-01-23

Wow, strange upgrade. I have the e800/805 and it comes with a built in wireless and the presentation pack has a VGA adapter built in. The only drawback is that only certain apps work with the VGA output. Other than that I love mine. This seems like a strange course for Toshiba.

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RE: More of a Downgrade
by Eugenia on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 02:22 UTC in reply to "More of a Downgrade"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

> it comes with a built in wireless

That's the US edition. The WiFi version of the PDA was only sold in US. The rest of the world only got Bluetooth.

> and the presentation pack has a VGA adapter built in.

Yes, this was indeed a bit strange. They included a second USB port (mini-usb this time) and they took out the VGA connector.

However, I am not sure if there is special software that is able to do graphics over USB and direct the output to a USB projector. If that's the case, then it's not a bad upgrade.

>The only drawback is that only certain apps work with the VGA output.

Have you upgraded to the Win2003SE as I instruct in the article? If you only used the Win2003 version that comes with the PDA and never upgraded, then no, you can't use anything else in VGA mode except the ClearVue applications. But if you upgrade to Win2k3SE, then you can use the Oz_VGA or SE_VGA utilities and in ONE click you will find yourself in the land of true VGA for all applications. If you do go to Win2k3SE but don't run these utilities, only Opera, ClearVue, TCPMP and few other apps would support the VGA resolution correctly, all the rest will think that they still run on QVGA.

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RE[2]: More of a Downgrade
by j_kenpo on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 06:27 UTC in reply to "RE: More of a Downgrade"
j_kenpo Member since:
2006-01-23

"Have you upgraded to the Win2003SE as I instruct in the article? If you only used the Win2003 version that comes with the PDA and never upgraded, then no, you can't use anything else in VGA mode except the ClearVue applications. But if you upgrade to Win2k3SE, then you can use the Oz_VGA or SE_VGA utilities and in ONE click you will find yourself in the land of true VGA for all applications. If you do go to Win2k3SE but don't run these utilities, only Opera, ClearVue, TCPMP and few other apps would support the VGA resolution correctly, all the rest will think that they still run on QVGA."

Yeah, I did the upgrade. I've messed briefly with the resolution switching apps, but not too in depth. I bought the PResentation Pack mainly for the USB port to plug in the keyboards and mouse. Keyboard worked great with no additional updates, I did have to use another external program for a mouse. But for the most part, I love the e800 series. The only thing I really haven't done at this point is develop apps for it using either VC or .Net with the SDK. But its good to see that the e800 series is getting a "bump".

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Humor and a serious question...
by bornagainenguin on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 06:14 UTC
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

...instead of offering 128 MBs of RAM and 64 MBs of ROM, it would have been better to include 64 MBs of RAM (which is plenty for Windows Mobile) and 128 MBs of storage flash ROM.

Because as we all know, 64 something is more than enough for everyone, right? ;P

All joking aside have you tested any emulators on this system? How does it run under Linux? Given that your firmware upgrade seemingly caused an isssue with ActiveSync can you truly justify the 'upgrade' or is it this perhaps which the extra sized battery is supposed to offset? Assuming that you were to pick up a WiFi card for this unit how is its performance-- or does it insist on using the Bluetooth stack you hate so much?

---bornagainpenguin

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RE: Humor and a serious question...
by Eugenia on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 06:22 UTC in reply to "Humor and a serious question..."
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>How does it run under Linux?

What do you mean? Familiar/OZ Linux distros do not support this particular PDA.

>Assuming that you were to pick up a WiFi card for this unit how is its performance

Didn't you read the article? I DID use my Linksys CF wifi card. Web worked just fine. 5 hours of web surfing, and that from a kinda high-power CF card.

> or does it insist on using the Bluetooth stack you hate so much?

Of course not. Why would it do that?

>Given that your firmware upgrade seemingly caused an isssue with ActiveSync

We can NOT be sure that the problem was with firmware upgrade. It can very well be with one of the 4 third party drivers I installed, OR, that I use ActiveSync 4.1 instead of 3.x (that the device was tested for). And given the fact that no other users on the forum have this problem, I can say that the problem is not the firmware upgrade.

>can you truly justify the 'upgrade'

Yes, the firmware upgrade is justified.

>or is it this perhaps which the extra sized battery is supposed to offset?

Not sure what you mean.

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Toy
by Smartpatrol on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 16:48 UTC
Smartpatrol
Member since:
2005-07-06

Nifty little toy can't see that they would be that useful though compaired to perhaps a tablet PC.

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ram vs flash
by nazsco on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 18:37 UTC
nazsco
Member since:
2006-01-06

very clever comment about ram vs flash.

So, now you gona say that buying some proprietary(?) ram chips would be cheaper then a 2Gb compact flash?

i wouldn't even bother if the system came with no flash memory at all having suport for cf and sd cards.

btw, i don't know if you mean flash memory when you say ROM, because rom reads: READ ONLY MEMORY. wich is not the case with flash memory.

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RE: ram vs flash
by Eugenia on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "ram vs flash"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

We know of the difference, thank you very much. But in the Pocketpc world, "rom" has become synonymous to "flash storage". It's a sign-o-the-times term, not a real term.

Oh, and no, I do not agree with your sarcastic comment about buying CF/SD cards to make up for storage. The fact that you can, doesn't mean that people will do. They buy a product so they have a full solution in their hands. Some (office, mostly) people never buy CF/SD cards.

And stop making the same comment twice (I had to make invisible one of the two, you could have just edit the first one).

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