Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 31st Jan 2006 21:43 UTC, submitted by lucabotti
KDE The KDE project has released the first maintenance release of the 3.5.x series. The changes made in this release are mainly bugfixes; the changelog details all the changes. For more information on the KDE 3.5.x series, check its announcement. You can check KDE's download page for the source, or for the binary packages for various distributions.
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Good news Thom
by lezard on Tue 31st Jan 2006 22:02 UTC
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Complete with various links and you've waited for the announcement ! Thanks for that !

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i see they fixed the osnews.com bug...
by Anonymous. on Tue 31st Jan 2006 22:22 UTC
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2005-12-04

Hidden field is not sent (Fixing OSNews.com) (bug #116790)
it'd be nice if someone could fix the broken forms on the site, tho...

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That's for us, ".1" people...
by amadeo on Tue 31st Jan 2006 22:29 UTC
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2005-07-06

If you are like me, someone who is afraid of installing a ".0" version in a production computer (especially in my wife's desktop...), now it's right time to upgrade to KDE 3.5 ;)

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Tweek Member since:
2006-01-12

just goes to show..
you dont know what you are talking about...

Bugs dont necessarily mean security holes.

and seeing as how more servers on the internet are OSS based, yes that challenge has been made, and proven in favor of OSS.

Dont live your whole life being a complete tool

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jjmckay Member since:
2005-11-11

"Dont live your whole life being a complete tool"

Provide evidence he is a 'complte tool'. You might disagree with him but does that make him a complete tool? How do you know that? Do you have his life history story? Maybe he made you upset, okay, but why act out the anger?

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maxx_730 Member since:
2005-12-14

Well, if you've ever used linux you would have noticed that to do anything serious you'd need to enter a password. This means that as a normal user, you and all the programs you start can only edit/delete/open files in your home (My Documents) directory unless you give them your root (administrator) password. Another thing is that Linux and a lot of the software that runs on it is opensource, this means that as soon as a bug is found you can send a patch for it yourself and you don't have to wait till the company that owns the product fixes it. Another advantage of open-source is that anyone can look at the code, so bugs are found faster. We ofcourse also shouldn't forget that there are lots of different kinds of linux distro's, and that a virus for one will probably not affect the other. Also Linux has much less marketshare than MS Windows, which helps too ofcourse ;)

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Yay!
by archiesteel on Tue 31st Jan 2006 22:53 UTC
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2005-07-02

Thanks Thom for the announcement, I'll be downloading the Kubuntu packages tonight!

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Come on...
by Silence on Wed 1st Feb 2006 01:17 UTC
Silence
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2006-02-01

I have just finished compiling 3.5.0.

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RE: Come on...
by Unbeliever on Wed 1st Feb 2006 02:37 UTC in reply to "Come on..."
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2005-07-09

Well, if you're using an apt-based distro, then all you need to do is find a repository and dist-upgrade.

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RE[2]: Come on...
by dumbkiwi on Wed 1st Feb 2006 03:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Come on..."
dumbkiwi Member since:
2006-01-02

Not if you've compiled it, because apt won't know about it.

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RE[3]: Come on...
by jaylaa on Wed 1st Feb 2006 11:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Come on..."
jaylaa Member since:
2006-01-17

Apt will know about it if you use 'checkinstall'

http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/

after ./configure and make you do checkinstall instead of make install. It makes a .deb out of it and installs it and apt knows about it. You can even see it in Synaptic.

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RE[2]: Come on...
by fretinator on Wed 1st Feb 2006 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE: Come on..."
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I have just finished compiling 3.5.0.

[response]Well, if you're using an apt-based distro, then all you need to do is find a repository and dist-upgrade.

It's a joke, laugh, live long.

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v RE: Come on...
by VenomousGecko on Wed 1st Feb 2006 17:57 UTC in reply to "Come on..."
RE[2]: Come on...
by MattK on Wed 1st Feb 2006 18:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Come on..."
MattK Member since:
2005-11-14

He only has one comment, so the overall comment score would equal that comment score. More comments, the more watered down your score, which makes me hesitate to post something like this. But who's counting anyways!

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Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

Because it's off-topic. Just like yours, by the way.

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AnonaMoose Member since:
2005-08-11

Howdy all

Because it's off-topic. Just like yours, by the way.

3.5.1 is mostly a bug fix release, so how does talking about bugs make it off topic ?

I`ve personally been waiting for this release, it always seems to really show differences between the last stable version without alot of the anoying common bugs ;)

Edited 2006-02-01 03:10

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

KDE 3.5.1 runs on PCs. Does that mean a post about the merits of AMDs architecture over Intels would be on topic?

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AnonaMoose Member since:
2005-08-11

Sure if you could twist it to something related to a bug or feature in the release.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

3.5.1 is mostly a bug fix release, so how does talking about bugs make it off topic ?

If you look at ramakama's original post, he basically started from KDE bug fixes to launch into a comparison of MS and Linux security. This is symptomatic of his posting history, in which every reason is used to justify attacking Linux. It's off-topic, and it's flamebait. Moderating it down is justified, in my view.

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Will it fix my bug?
by werfu on Wed 1st Feb 2006 03:43 UTC
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2005-09-15

I hope it will fix my bug... my computer freezed out totaly when entering in Preference in Kopete... in i386 and amd64 version. I'll reinstall Linux during the next week to try ;)

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RE: Will it fix my bug?
by MightyPenguin on Wed 1st Feb 2006 15:00 UTC in reply to "Will it fix my bug?"
MightyPenguin Member since:
2005-11-18

Yeah I've had lots of problems with kopete too. It does weird things for me it just croaks at random times and gives something like "encountered error I don't know what to do with" and then croaks. I usually can't get things back to normal until I close it and restart it. Also, AIM support seems behind the times compared with the other protocols (which of course is the one I use most). There's no support for setting your AIM profile info on kopete. I've tried contacting the developers to try helping with AIM/Oscar and while the head developer was helpful, the AIM/Oscar specific ones didn't even say hello.

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RE[2]: Will it fix my bug?
by superstoned on Wed 1st Feb 2006 19:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Will it fix my bug?"
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2005-07-07

not to say kopete is perfect, but i run it directly from Subversion (eg code directly from their servers, daily updated) and its very stable for me...

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RE: That's for us, ".1" people...
by jaboua on Wed 1st Feb 2006 07:02 UTC
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2005-09-08

Myself I like .0 versions the most because of all the new features ;)

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funny bug
by molnarcs on Wed 1st Feb 2006 08:50 UTC
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2005-09-10

I wonder who noticed this ;) )

"KStars: NGC 1300 KPNO image link is to an image of NGC 1232 and not NGC 1300"

Nice ;)

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Nice
by _LH_ on Wed 1st Feb 2006 10:36 UTC
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2005-07-20

I've been using this for about a week thanks to Kubuntu Dapper which made the packages available before the official release. At least I haven't found any showstopper bugs yet ;)

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v Why release buggy software???
by rakamaka on Wed 1st Feb 2006 10:49 UTC
RE: Why release buggy software???
by Trollstoi on Wed 1st Feb 2006 12:23 UTC in reply to "Why release buggy software???"
Trollstoi Member since:
2005-11-11

Because it's impossible to develop bug-free software, when such large and complex projects are concerned. If you wait until you discover and fix all the bugs before release, you won't release anything ever.

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RE: Why release buggy software???
by teprrr on Wed 1st Feb 2006 12:46 UTC in reply to "Why release buggy software???"
teprrr Member since:
2005-07-06

Welcome aboard fixing bugs for next KDE release. I'll be waiting anxiously for your contributions...

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another great release
by collinm on Wed 1st Feb 2006 12:29 UTC
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2005-07-15

another great release

it's crazy, kde begin to be very big

i'm anxious that kde 4 go out....

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KDE on Gentoo :)
by martin.k on Wed 1st Feb 2006 13:10 UTC
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2006-01-30

You should have seen KDE on Gentoo Linux ;)
It's FAST, elegant and stable!
And if you are really a speed fan then you should install qt-3.3.5 and KDE with -fvisibility-inlines-hidden CXXFLAG.
Works here perfect!

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Ookaze
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2005-11-14

Just wondering, is there any difference between MS windows patches and kde/linux bugfixes

Yes, big ones. The most important one is that anybody can look at what exactly is changed in a kde/linux patch. With Windows, you can't.

For me it is the same thing

That's why everything you say after that is wrong.

MS is rich persons home and every thief would like to break it....

Strange sentence. Have you the rights for every software you use on Windows ?
If not, then you are a thief (as I think you mix infringement and theft). Do you want to break Windows ?
BTW there is not a single person I know that have Windows that don't have pirated software on it.

Has anyone from linux userland posted open challenge to hackers to break their relatively(with MS) secure system....maybe some hacker will be able to exploit kernel and kde bugs...

BS, there is no need for any challenge. Commercial companies are hard at work finding holes in Linux and other FOSS programs. I receive lots of FOSS bugs by these companies every day.
It's funny because most of the time, they look at release notes to find security bugs or are on some distro security list ;) )

What is the scientific basis of claim that linux is more secure?? from hackers point of view of course....

The scientific basis is the same as the one for every scientific domain : facts all around you.
For example, number of active virus on the platform is enough proof already.
For KDE, I only remember the KJS problem though.

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Impressed...
by ThawkTH on Wed 1st Feb 2006 15:20 UTC
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2005-07-06

I'm impressed with the KDE project in general, and the speed it seems to be picking up while still maintaining quality software...

Has anyone noticed how much more stable 3.5.0 was compared to previous .0 releases?

AFAIK, it's far better when it comes to bugs than 3.4.0.

Of course you can't do a side-by-side comparison, different features and changes yield different bugs. KDE just strikes me as a project that has a good sense of self.

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RE: Impressed...
by 1c3d0g on Wed 1st Feb 2006 15:45 UTC in reply to "Impressed..."
1c3d0g Member since:
2005-07-06

Indeed, ThawkTH. Soon, with KDE 4 on the horizon and the Appeal Project spearheading most of the eye-candy, KDE will look and feel better than ever. :-)

http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Appeal

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RE: Impressed...
by Ookaze on Wed 1st Feb 2006 16:48 UTC in reply to "Impressed..."
Ookaze Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm impressed with the KDE project in general, and the speed it seems to be picking up while still maintaining quality software...

That must be due to their good framework, and the good use of C++. That's just an impression I have, I did not review any KDE code (actually I did, but little and only to correct compilation bugs).

Has anyone noticed how much more stable 3.5.0 was compared to previous .0 releases?

I think it has also a lot to do with the FOSS framework around KDE on Linux, because Gnome has seen the same improvements too. There are now more tools like Valgrind and they are more mature (more efficient), so every project benefits. Even basic (I mean necessary and important) tools like GCC have greatly improved. FOSS only recently started using and creating profiling tools for example.
Keep in mind that MS use these since a long time, and FOSS managed to provides 2 DE that can make more than MS OSes and are more stable (this one is my experience, I don't say that's the same for everyone) without these tools. I say that because no Windows expert ever managed to tell me how to get all the mandatory functionalities I have on my Linux DE, and for things where they found solutions, they were very difficult to get and maintain and/or very expensive.

There are other things in the Linux framework that just change your life working with the DE, just look at freedesktop.org : Avahi, Utopia, fontconfig, inotify, ...
That's why I often say that KDE can't be as good on Windows, as it will lack a lot of this framework that makes DE on Linux so much better. And that goes from high level things like Window Managers, to low level things like inotify. Just the two things I cited there makes a huge difference in DE feeling if they are absent.

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mmmm
by hollovoid on Wed 1st Feb 2006 16:15 UTC
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2005-09-21

kde is getting interesting, may take a gnome hiatus for a week or two and check it out. although last look only kwifimanager was worth my time, and konqueror is nice.. but ui has too many odd spaces to configure one desktop (even in the config panel, one goal can lead you into many areas) but im sure 4 will be much more intuitive ;)

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RE: mmmm
by superstoned on Wed 1st Feb 2006 19:33 UTC in reply to "mmmm"
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2005-07-07

you should really check it out, then. kcontrol has a quicksearch now, which makes finding settings much easier. some apps still need some cleaning up, but overall it is quite nice.

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Where's the files?
by pilotgi on Wed 1st Feb 2006 17:31 UTC
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2005-07-06

I didn't find any binary packages on any of the mirrors. Doesn't look like any of them have been updated yet.

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re: Where's the files?
by Shaman on Wed 1st Feb 2006 17:58 UTC
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2005-11-15

My Debian, Ubuntu and Gentoo have all been updated (almost finished the compile @ home).

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Slackware users?
by MightyPenguin on Wed 1st Feb 2006 18:25 UTC
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2005-11-18

Any Slackware users here get 3.5.0 or this new 3.5.1 to work configuring CUPS? It seems like these contrib pkgs always seem to break CUPS printer management from within KDE for me. I can sometimes get it working again by using webmin.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Jeez, calm down, Dave...it's not worth bursting a forehead vein over!

Someone did the old "bait and switch" trick, started out with a legitimate on-topic comment and turned it into flamebait in an attempt to start a Linux/Windows security flamewar, which itself was off-topic. It got moderated down appropriately. No reason to become hysterical...

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KDE
by alime on Wed 1st Feb 2006 20:22 UTC
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2005-07-06

I hope they update and improve thier wireless appelets also get rid of thier cartoonish dragons that appear when you wanna log off. I need kde to be more professional.
"A"

Don't get me wrong. They have great ideas.

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RE: KDE
by superstoned on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 11:00 UTC in reply to "KDE"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

aaah, c'mon, doesn't konqi look cute? professional == boring ??? then don't make it too professional... i don't think this scares many ppl or companies away...

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Live CD
by Hautpflegespray on Wed 1st Feb 2006 20:56 UTC
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2006-02-01

Can anybody recommend me a nice KDE 3.5.x Live-CD?

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