Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:00 UTC, submitted by Philipp Esselbach
Gnome GNOME 2.13.90 has been released. As always, the odd-numbered branches indicate dev-branches, and as such the 2.13.x series is the step-up to the GNOME 2.14 release, planned for March this year. The 2.13.90 release is the first beta. Release notes: platform, desktop, and bindings; downloads: platform, desktop, and bindings.
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Cool feature
by seguso on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:43 UTC
seguso
Member since:
2005-06-29

Window snapping KDE-style was added to metacity.

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RE: Cool feature
by el3ktro on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:52 UTC in reply to "Cool feature"
el3ktro Member since:
2006-01-10

Yes! YES!

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RE: Cool feature
by Daniel Borgmann on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 07:30 UTC in reply to "Cool feature"
Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

Actually not quite KDE-style. ;) KWin (at least by default) uses the edge magnetism style, where windows snap to the nearest edge, while Metacity uses edge resistance, where windows don't snap.

Sawfish also had edge resistance and I always liked that, since it feels very smooth. Pretty much the only thing I felt lacking in Metacity.

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RE[2]: Cool feature
by SlackerJack on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 19:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool feature"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

This window snapping to the edge of the screen is in 2.13, only when you make a little push, does the window go out of the screen.

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tested
by napsy on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 20:05 UTC
napsy
Member since:
2005-07-06

Runs nice but the desktop gets slower if I apply a wallpaper.

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RE: tested
by thebluesgnr on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "tested"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

How did you install it, with build scripts or from pre-compiled packages?

Have you filed a bug?

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RE[2]: tested
by napsy on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE: tested"
napsy Member since:
2005-07-06

I dist-upgraded ubuntu dapper. But maybe this is the fault of the not-working ati drivers.

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v RE[2]: tested
by Tom K on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE: tested"
RE[3]: tested
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: tested"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You and I both know that such a bug would be ignored and thrown out.

http://davyd.livejournal.com/164811.html

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v RE[4]: tested
by Tom K on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: tested"
RE[5]: tested
by klynch on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: tested"
klynch Member since:
2005-07-06

Is every dev aware of every development practice for every project he works on?

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RE[6]: tested
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:52 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: tested"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Are you basically demonstrating that the GNOME devs have no clue when it comes to UIs?

No, I'm showing that this bug actually is confirmed and being worked on, quite the opposite of your 'you and I both know that such a bug would be ignored and thrown out'.

Other than that, this post shows that GNOME devs are actually working on the UI-- Davey sees the wrongness and anti-GNOME-HIGness of the dialog, and demands explanation and change.

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RE[7]: tested
by Morty on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 23:09 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: tested"
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

No, I'm showing that this bug actually is confirmed and being worked on,

But it isn't, although background related it's a different issue. From your link "done because changing the background has recently gotten very slow,", and the original parent "the desktop gets slower if I apply a wallpaper". One is about slow changing of backgrounds, the other about wallpapers making the whole desktop slow. The cause may be the same, but that's a thing for developer analysis and not bug reporting.

Making your comment both irrelevant and off-topic, and a answer to the "better to ignore" Poo troll at that.

As a side note you should really use a non OSN Staff login when not posting in that capacity, your personal opinions sometimes deserves moderation the same as other posters.

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RE[4]: tested
by kaiwai on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 05:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: tested"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Question: Why is there instant application of a new setting? atleast with the selection of cancel/ok, there is the ability by the end user to atleast back out of any settings he or she might have added, but want to pull out of.

I'm not saying that GNOME is bad, but I do think they need to think the way an end user thinks - choose a setting, review it, and if they like it, they'll click ok, otherwise they'll click cancel and none of the settings are saved.

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RE[5]: tested
by csasso73 on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 05:47 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: tested"
csasso73 Member since:
2006-01-21

Question: Why is there instant application of a new setting? atleast with the selection of cancel/ok, there is the ability by the end user to atleast back out of any settings he or she might have added, but want to pull out of.

I'm not saying that GNOME is bad, but I do think they need to think the way an end user thinks - choose a setting, review it, and if they like it, they'll click ok, otherwise they'll click cancel and none of the settings are saved.

[chris] This is called 'undo' and it is not mutually exclusive with instant apply. it's a fact though, that most (all?) config dialogs in GNOME do NOT allow to undo the latest changes.

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RE[3]: tested
by klynch on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: tested"
klynch Member since:
2005-07-06

Most end-users are not qualified enough to file bug reports, simply because of the complexity of software like GNOME. If his DE gets slower when he applies a wallpaper, then that's all he can really state in the bug report, because he has no idea what the cause of it is.

Most end-users? Of a developer branch of the latest Gnome? Come on! Filing a bug report isn't that complicated and even "simple" Gnome users could handle it.

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RE[3]: tested
by thebluesgnr on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 22:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: tested"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm not talking to "most end-users", I'm talking to a reader and member of the OSNews community. I don't think I asked any questions that he/she is not able to answer, and with my questions I hope to assist him/her in correctly reporting a bug to GNOME.

GNOME has QA engineers that assign a bug to the correct product if the reporter made a mistake. It's not a problem Mr. Poo, so you can point your bashing at something else for the moment.

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Nautilus: Creating new folders
by krausest on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:11 UTC
krausest
Member since:
2006-01-11

There's (at least) one thing that really keeps me off from nautilus/gnome. Creating a new folder is a pain, because you can't rename it immediately, but you have to search for it (what was its name?) and then rename it. Has that been changed or will it change for 2.14?

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RE: Nautilus: Creating new folders
by Best on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:18 UTC in reply to "Nautilus: Creating new folders"
Best Member since:
2005-07-09

The text for the name of a new folder is automatically selected and ready for entry here on 2.12, I think there was a bug with making new folders in list view a few versions ago, but it seems to have been fixed.

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Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

I can confirm that bug is fixed on this version. Tested on Fedora Rawhide.

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SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well one of the things I love about nautilus is that if you do create a folder or file, once renamed it shows you it. Unlike other file managers that you lose the file or folder you just created, also is saves where you were last.

Typing the first few letters of the name of the folder or file takes you directly to it, alot of people just dont say these great little features of nautilus.

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Speed & bug reports
by SlackerJack on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 23:16 UTC
SlackerJack
Member since:
2005-11-12

GNOME-2.14 is going to be quiet abit faster, GTK-2.8.10 or above already is and I suggest you get it.

As for bug reporting I did my first a few days ago with beagle, filled in the bugbuddy info, copy pasted it into Evolution and sent. I got a reply it was fixed in cvs 20mins later, 0.2.1 fixes the issue. I mean how easy is that, not much to ask really and better then pressing one button and not knowing where or if it's going to be fixed.

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